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Battles » Doflamingo vs BM Naruto

@Kurohige said:

@WorldEater: Well to be honest One Piece used to be the strongest out of the HST and Naruto was the weakest; it was even expected at one point before the Time Skip that One Piece would bound over Bleach because the characters were already so powerful in before the timeskip. However they were so wildly unimpressive after the skip that they slowly declined into the bottom of the tier rankings. I mean going by what they showed at Ennis Lobby, Impel Down, Sabody, and Marineford you would think they would have a massive power boost and surpass their old selves by leaps and bounds but so far that is not the case, Hordy Jones was a joke, Ussop has no improved as much as people thought, I mean he still is not ont he level of Rob Lucci and his recent fight made a very bad impression. People are still waiting for the fight to show what the straw hats can really do now because so far they have shown only a few new moves and better control over some abilities like Haki. Franky still has not been too impressive aside from his mech, Nami has not done anything impressive, same with Robin and Chopper. But in their defense this is due to the current arcs being very story heavy rather than action heavy, don't get me wrong, at action is great when presented, but it is not enough to really bump them up in the tier listing. They do have power houses Like Garp, Sabo, and hype Blackbeard and kaido. But until then they are at the bottom of the HST. The thing is, people really don't like Naruto as of late and don't like the idea of Naruto being>>>One Piece in terms of power, all One Piece has to contend with right now is speed, I believe someone explained in detail why currently Luffy is only around Sannin level.

It used to be that each series had their own thing going for them:

One Piece= Stamina, strength and durability

Bleach= Speed and hax

Naruto= AoE, Destructive capacity, and versitality

Toriko: Raw power, potential

Now its:

One Piece: Speed, hype

Bleach: Destructive capacity, hax, raw power, durability

Naruto: Speed, Raw power, durability, hax, AoE, versitality, potential,stamina

Toriko: Speed, Raw power, strength, hax, durability, stamina, AoE

Currently the pecking order is widely accepted as:

Toriko>>>Naruto>=Bleach>>One Piece

I mean current Naruto or Sasuke solo One Piece easily, hell, BM Naruto can still solo with effort. One Piece simply lacks the power and durability needed. It's a shame since One Piece is my favorite out of the HST, I mean I love all of them (I just don't like how Bleach is going currently) but Naruto outclasses One Piece. People just hear some hype tale or learn of one new ability and just assume that One Piece is super strong and shoots up on the list, that is not the case. I can see them coming up in the ranking again (Although I have a hard time seeing them get past Toriko, Bleach I can see since they have hax, all they need is more speed), but currently even top tiers in One Piece are only mid tiers in Naruto. Sorry for th elengthy post I just wanted to explain my reasoning for why Doflamingo loses so badly.

Good post. But I put to you that OP is the most consistent out of all them too. Naruto and Bleach are BS, everyone just magically gets stronger after every battle as if they all just ate a senzu bean or something and are of the sayain variety.

OP showed it's most powerful alive character in the end of the first arc, Whitebeard. So far it is still Whitebeard who is the most powerful character seen in OP, no one else has shown anything even similar to his power and it is this consistency that makes OP so great as a story.

If OP was written by Kishi Luffy would've already surpassed WB and somehow Doffy would be even stronger than WB and then after their battle Doffy would just become fodder and Luffy would be twice as powerful as every other character except Madara who is now somehow in OP. Both would be summoning meteors and destroying islands in their epic battle of sh*t.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » The 5 Kage vs. The Six Paths of Pain.

Kage should win this after a good battle.

Most of the paths were taken out by Jiraiya on his own remember? The really trouble would be of course the Deva Path but Onoki has a lot of hax and the kage were pretty good at combining their attacks like A and Onoki.

Really don't see Pein winning this one though.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Mobile Suit Gundam » Favourite Gundam (All Series)

@sickVisionz said:

Favorite Gundam game or anime?

@Haiken said:

ZGMF X10A FREEDOM and ZGMF X20A STRIKE FREEDOM.. Most really dislike Gundam seed and GSD but that's their own opinion.. For me, i like it..

The internet has a funny way of giving a vocal minority a ridiculously dominating voice... to a degree that you actually wouldn't know that Seed and Destiny are like two of the best selling and most popular Gundam series of all time.

I know it's weird right? I really didn't like Seed either but somehow it was a fan favourite, even though as you mentioned most of the internet seems to agree with me.

Wing will always be the best!

Although I watched build fighters recently and I was really surprised because I really enjoyed it.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Mobile Suit Gundam » Favourite Gundam (All Series)

It is what it is. As a big gundam fan I'd be very interested to see what is the communities favourite gundams and maybe even see some new ones that I haven't seen before.

You can only choose 1 but can give honorable mentions to others.

For me it's the Hydra Gundam. I first saw the gundam in gundam battle assault 1 and it was just so much cooler than any gundam I'd seen thus far. It was a fitting boss, I only wish it had made it into the Gundam Wing main story as Treize's final gundam.

Honorable mention goes to

Sengoku Astray

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Star Trek/Wars Fleet vs Gundam Fleet

Kira in Seed pretty much takes out entire armies by himself, same goes for pretty much any other Ace Pilot on the list. Team Gundam wins this pretty easily. Lots of reason why they win. Here's another one, Tallgeese III took out an entire colony, so did Wing Zero.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Lancelot Albion vs Jehuty (Zone of the Enders)

@SekiryuuteiDxD: I'm pretty sure his Geass only tells him to live. He can't dodge something if Jehuty's already behind him and he can't physically react to him. If you're referring Suzaku's battle against Bismarck then he won that because Bismarck couldn't predict his movements due to the Geass making it impossible to do so IIRC.

Also in-game Zero Shift temporarily locks the opponent in place, making evasion even more difficult.

Zero Shift is just one way in which he could win, likely the most easiest. Jehuty also has homing lasers, which it can fire en mass.

Not saying it wouldn't be a good fight but only up until Dingo has had enough and starts Zero Shifting around however he pleases.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Lancelot Albion vs Jehuty (Zone of the Enders)

Unfortunately I don't remember a lot about Lancelot Albion near the end of the series but I feel pretty confident that as powerful as it was, it wouldn't be able to beat Jehuty with its Zero System and it's "Fin Funnel" like attacks it achieved near end game.

Jehuty Version 2 should be able to just teleport behind Lancelot Albion with ease, then take it out. It'd probably be like when Anubis fought Jehuty at the end of ZOE 1.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Supreme Kai vs Babidi's minions

I would say Kibitoshin beats Majin Vegeta but loses at Fat Buu.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » SSJ4 Goku vs SSJG Goku

@MisterShin said:

@ohgodwhy said:

in BOG Bills stated that Goku in base couldn't even beat Frieza. That's a serious powerup.

This part wrong, Bills was only sensing Goku's resting power level, which is usually very low, probably lower than chiaotsu pl. Goku only raises it before battle.

SSJ4 Goku would not be able to sense SSJG Goku ki, because it is godly ki. This is a massive disadvantage.

That's just an assumption you're making. Bills said I don't think you could've beaten him without your SSJ transformation. There's nothing to say there that Goku was in a resting PL and could've actually beaten Frieza without transforming. Also not forgetting that the SSJ transformation is x50 increase in PL, Bills statement holds some weight as I don't think Goku became 50x more powerful in base by the end of DBZ.

I choose to believe what Bills said, not make assumptions.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Suggestion Box for Battlations

@takashichea: True but I really see it as being the only way to actually have a conclusive end to the threads. What's the point in having a battle forum where no one actually has an agreed winner. Maybe you can make it so that every thread just automatically has a poll in it or something?

I definitely think we should have conclusive winners and losers rather than just leaving threads open.

Shouldn't this thread be stickied as an important thread?

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Suggestion Box for Battlations

I don't know if this even possible but how about once a thread opens a countdown begins and then say 24 hours after the thread was initially opened a poll appears in the thread. People can then vote on who they thought won the battle based on all the arguments that made for each character.

This seems like a very good way for actually ending a battle thread because I would say at present 90% of battle threads on this site don't actually have an accepted winner.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » SSJ4 Goku vs SSJG Goku

I'll just copy what I wrote in another thread.

In DBGT Goku easily fought both Frieza AND Cell in base yet in BOG Bills stated that Goku in base couldn't even beat Frieza. That's a serious powerup.

In DBGT Goku beat Rildo who was said to have been as stronger than Majin Buu, in Rildo's base form. This was stated by Goku so this is a true statement. Goku beat him just in SSJ form and I believe it was stated that Goku didn't even go at it in full force. Big power boost.

DBGT Goku >>>>> DBZ Goku.

As for this thread though, I would still probably lean towards SSG but I don't think it would be too big of a difference. I can imagine it being a good fight.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Saitama vs Top Tier HST team

I think with speed equal Saitama would lose round 1. Although having said that we haven't seen anything actually hurt him yet.

With speed unequal he should blitz them all pretty easily.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Vegeta SSJ vs Cooler

Cooler was meant to be a lot stronger than Frieza but thanks to movie stupidity he lost quite easily to SSJ Goku. V Jump put his power level at something like 400,000,000 and I believe Goku stated he was a lot more powerful than Frieza. Taking that into account he would beat Vegeta pretty easily.

But like I said movie stupidity rules so movie Cooler lose badly. 'Real' Cooler would stomp though.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Bills vs SSJ4 Goku

@LHWKnight: I believe Shenron said that he couldn't kill Vegeta in the sayain saga because Vegeta's power was higher than his creators. Shenron is weak. I don't understand your point? What's Shenron got to do with this?

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Current Toriko Vs SSJ Goku Saiyan Saga

@Ikki_Minami_ said:

@luthluth: ._. Does any of that say light speed? Or is this just another assumption, there's a huge difference between assuming and facts. I'm not saying that Toriko is light speed either But Goku aside from instant Transmission is not light speed, nor are his attack. I'll give it to you though if you can find a statement proven by a fact that DBZ is "speed of light".

@nishi99: See this is another idiocy within DBZ, they are Planet busters ect. But when in battle they never use planet busting attacks. I mean like Vegeta's Big Bang attack he fired at Cell he grazed the planet. No one in DBZ actually has destroyed planets in there battles. unlike say Hulk, Thor, Superman. Also if Toriko get's in close he can overpower Goku easily, I get what people say when "lifting doesn't equal punching power", But people casually ignore that Toriko has shown that his punches can break mountains and attacks that can hurt Country+ beasts. And with Pre-cognition I doubt that Goku is going to just breeze past this mainly because Toriko can foresee, dodge and counter-attack. DBZ characters aren't very good at that either, Goku will charge up a 100% Kamehameha and fires it will the enemy waits for him to charge up and doesn't dodge the attack.

That's due to plot. If they destroyed planets during their battles they would all die because the majority of them can't breathe in space. That's like saying Frieza's stronger than Cell because Frieza destroyed more planets than Cell did. DBZ has and always will be about powerscaling because they became too powerful even early Sayain Saga.

That works for the speed of light thing too. In DBZ as your PL increases so does you speed. There's a direct correlation, this was stated by Vegeta. Case in point, Frieza fired a beam that was so fast that no one but Vegeta could even see it. This is Frieza who was at this point far weaker than SSJ Goku yet at the same time many magnitudes faster than Piccolo who fired a beam into the moon and destroyed it almost instantly.

POWERSCALING

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Bills vs SSJ4 Goku

@LHWKnight: There's actually a lot of information mentioned in DBGT that suggest Goku became massively stronger over the timeskip now that I've done a bit of research.

E.g.1) In DBGT Goku easily fought both Frieza AND Cell in base yet in BOG Bills stated that Goku in base couldn't even beat Frieza. That's a serious powerup.

E.g.2) In DBGT Goku beat Rildo who was said to have been as stronger than Majin Buu, in Rildo's base form. This was stated by Goku so this is a true statement. Goku beat him just in SSJ form and I believe it was stated that Goku didn't even go at it in full force. Big power boost.

Now I know there's a lot of mistakes in DBGT that show them being really weak but if we look at how powerful they really are, ignoring all the bad writing and just looking at PLs and opponent's faced, we quickly realise that DBGT is a whole different ball game to DBZ.

Now I'm not saying that Goku SSJ4 could beat Bills but I think it wouldn't be a massive mismatch as seems to have been suggested.

DBGT HAD REALLY BAD WRITING

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Bills vs SSJ4 Goku

@LHWKnight said:

@taichokage said:

Base Gt Goku beating Cell and Frieza even though Bills said that it would be impossible for Goku to beat Frieza without ssj1 in Z, or words to the effect. Or shattering the dimension, universal spirit bombs and 10x Kamehameha, seem a bit more impressive than BOG Goku.

this was stated before the BOG transformation, and after it, Goku would have be able to destory freeza in base form, as he was able to fight bills on even ground.

Also Goku did a lot of training between the event of DBZ and DBGT and fought some powerful opponenents e.g. Baby. Chances are that the Goku in the DBGT was stronger than the one in BOG.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Bills vs SSJ4 Goku

Bills should win this without too much difficulty. I think the powerup from SSJ3 to SSJ4 isn't as high as some of the other transformations.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Whis vs SSJ4 Gogeta

SSJ4 Gogeta made Omega Shenron (Who is many times more powerful than SSJ3 Goku) look like a joke. He is by far the most powerful good guy character in the entire series, easily much stronger than SSJ God Goku. Common sense and some basic understanding of powerscaling should make it clearly obvious.

Whether or not he could fight against Whis is a different matter however. Whis was said to be 1.5x stronger than Bills? That's one hell of a difference when considering these guys PL's are going to be in the billions.

I'd still put my money on SSJ4 Gogeta.

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