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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Akame ga Kill Discussion

You know, I think the theaters made me feel worse for Akame than the episode proper.

Her trump card wasn't well-handled, I thought. Most Imperial Arms had trump cards, but they probably should have hinted at its existence before it was actually used. It also seemed to lack much consequence to its use, which made you wonder why she didn't use it before, and why Esdeath was considered such a big threat, given that they always had the means to eliminate her. When she cut herself, I thought she was activating some last-ditch ability that'd kill her but power her up for a while, but it was just some super power-up that just seemed kind of painful.

Having said that, I did like the final battle for the most part, though I thought there was too much jumping around. Esdeath severing her arm to avoid the curse was a neat trick.

The revolution seemed to come a little too easily, there'd be a lot more turmoil in the wake of a violent rebellion, but I think they maybe wanted to avoid making things too much of a downer, given that this was what most of the characters sacrificed themselves for. I thought they hit the right note with Night Raid being people who'd perform a lot of the key actions in bringing about the revolution, but who would be forgotten or just unknown to the general public, because what they did was reprehensible.

Also, quite liked a few of the ending scenes, like Tatsumi's village receiving money from Night Raid/The Revolutionary Army, and preparing to celebrate their return, because they didn't know what'd happened to them.

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I delayed watching episodes for a bit, because I noticed the anime & manga seemed to be converging on the same point, and wanted to read the manga version first, in case the anime gave something away(I suspected that the reason they were going to come out at the same time was that something big was going to happen, and they didn't want one version to give it away bfore the other). And the manga scanlation took a while to come out.

The last few episodes were a bit of a mixed bag. The Suu/Esdeath fight was largely lifted from a different point in the manga, but I think most of what happened in it lost its impact because the events surrounding it were different. On the other hand bumping Suu off when they did made the new Night Raid recruits seem a little less superfluous(in the manga, he and Chelsea were the first to die after the point where they joined, which made them feel a little like they were padding in a way).

Mine's death was a bit of a surprise. I was only ever mildly fond of Mine, but what i did like in the manga was that she and tatsumi actually hooked up - a lot of shonen manga just give the MC multiple love interests that float around for ages before finally pairing him off with one near the end, actually having the protagonist enter a relationship halfway through the series was sort of novel. So, err, that little bit of extra appeal Mine had for me is lost.

The Akame/Kurome fight episode was a bit better. I liked that they decided to actually sit down and have a bit of a chat before fighting, with Kurome even offering her sister a snack(which she took) while they reflected on things. Still, I think they could have laid a bit more groundwork for the fight, this was only Akame & kurome's direct second meeting since the series' began.

The emperor's gundam/megazord/whatever was a bit of a weird idea. While I couldn't say I thought it was a good idea, it didn't bother me as much as most. Bumping Tatsumi off was a bit of a surprise, I thought if he died it'd be in the last episode, rather than the penultimate one.

From the preview, it looks like Akame's going to take down Esdeath with Murasame's trump card, but again, they haven't really laid the groundwork for that either(the manga at least had a scene where her trump card was mentioned, but not established what it did).

Ah well, this post's already much longer than I wished. I suspect I'll have more to say later, and not just on the finale. But I'll at least do you all the courtesy of breaking up ramblings in shorter posts. i suspect the final episode will have aired in japan while I type this.

I've also been meaning to do a bit more work on the wiki pages too, I think there's a few things there i should really get round to.

Post by Oglaphone (67 posts) See mini bio Level 11

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You can really read Akame Ga Kill!Zero at any point, whether it's before, partway or I suppose after the main manga. I can't think of anything you'd definitely need to know in advance, or anything that'd be given away by reading one before the other or after.

Post by Oglaphone (67 posts) See mini bio Level 11

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The anime's always skipped quite a lot of stuff, I think it first became really noticeable how much they were condensing things around the point where Bulat & Tatsumi fought the 3 Beasts. I think they were probably aiming for an anime original ending from pretty early on, rather than just leaving the anime off at the end of some arc.

"Shame, they rushed it. No build on Seryu and Bols' death. What about Bols' happy family?"

They didn't really expand on those much in the manga either. After Sheele, I don't think they've really spent a lot of time dwelling on characters deaths. In the manga there's a brief scene of Esdeath lamenting Seryu's death as wasted potential, and the kids she played football with looking for her, and when Wave prepares to fight Night Raid, he considers Bols & Seryu's deaths scores to settle.

What's interesting is how the manga and anime events have converged on one another here - I think the next chapter of the manga and the next episode will come out around the same time, and they're around the same place. The manga has the Tatsumi rescue mission underway, and I'm sure the anime will reach, and possible pass that next episode. It could be that something big will happen there & TAKAHIRO wanted it to happen simultaneously in the anime and manga.

I suspect the manga will end sometime next year. Night Raid & the Revolutionary Armies major plans are coming to a head, I can't see Takahiro keeping it going much longer after that.

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Yeah, given that it was at an event, you can't be all that sure how well it reflects the general audience, though it does seem pretty close to how I think the fanbase might swing in a lot of ways. I heard of the poll a little while ago, I've got another image from it, showing the board with the voting stickers on it a bit further along.

Apparently, the stickers denote the gender of the people voting for the characters. I don't know which is which though, you might think blue = boy, but Japan might have different standards there.

I think Tatsumi's a serviceable enough protagonist neither a particular exciting or unappealing character. His personality seems fairly common for a shonen protagonist, I've come to suspect his relative unpopularity is actually because he's only modestly powerful. The main character in a shonen action series is often the most powerful, or special in some way, but Tatsumi and the other Night Raid members have different strengths and weaknesses over each other, so Tats is just part of the team, rather than the most valued player, or whatever.

I think Mine might have done better than Akame because people dug her tsundere prickliness more than Akame's subdued oddball persona. Mine's also always been a pretty prominent character, and it's not like Akame's really done much more than her. I think the people at the event are probably also manga readers so some things from that like Mine confessing to Tatsumi probably gave her a boost.

Post by Oglaphone (67 posts) See mini bio Level 11

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Yeah, Koro/Coro whatever swapping between innocuous and cute-looking and seeming terrifying's a nice sort of parallel to his master.

They did skip a good bit of the manga content. They often do, but this would have to be the biggest case of it yet. When there was the announcement that there'd be a new anime-original character(that maid lady) and that Budo (who doesn't really come into things until later) would be showing up, I wondered if they might be rushing towards an anime original ending, rather than leaving it sort of open-ended.

I think the Borick assassination didn't come off well for a few reasons. It got overshadowed by the Seryu/Mine fight which felt like the big event of the episode, as it settled a long-running grudge match, lasted a while and had the episode's show-stopping moment with Mine's big attack. Bolic's death feels like an afterthought in the wake of it.

Borick's death also seemed sort of haphazard. Esdeath agrees to stay and keep guard over him, but then she leaves the room for some unrevealed reason, comes back and finds the guy's just flown the coop, while Borick himself's run into some of Night Raid's other members and gotten killed. Borick's assassination's kind of intended as a big thing, as it's the whole reason Night Raid & the Jaegers both went to kyoroch, and it's pivotal to the coming revolution, but he just goes out like any other target that Night Raid take out between big events.

In the manga, killing Borick is a big operation. Night Raid's basic plan is to split into 2 teams, one to cause a commotion and draw Esdeath away from Borick, while the second team kills him. Esdeath doesn't take the bait though, and stays with Borick and Kurome in the cathedral, while Run & Wave delay the team that was supposed to kill him. The back-up plan Najenda comes up with is to have the distraction team fight Esdeath and while she's distracted Tatsumi can use his invisibility to sneak up on & kill Borick. This doesn't work out so well either, as Esdeath realizes someone's there and flushes Tatsumi out. So, it comes down to 2 big fights going on at once, and Night Raid only prevail through some desperate manoeuvres, so there's more of a cost and an effort involved in them taking Borick out.

Seryu's fight with Mine doesn't occur on the same night as Borick's assassination, they had a bit of a cooldown period after it. I don't remember all the scenes, but there's stuff like Najenda's flashback where Esdeath destroys her eye & arm, a second meeting between Tatsumi, Mine & the Path of Peace's leader, Lubbock & Su having a heart-to-heart, the last Raksasha Demon being revealed as alive and aware of Tatsumi's status as part of Night Raid etc.

I think a bunch of those scenes might be used later, or done differently in the anime, though.

Post by Oglaphone (67 posts) See mini bio Level 11

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I'll add them. Also, I need to add something similar to the previous episode, some of the scenes are actually taken from AgK-Zero.

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I rather liked the Raksasha demons(or however it's bloody spelled), they might not have been around long, but they were a decent enough concept and their abilities were pretty cool. I was also particularly fond of Sten(the big chap)'s voice.

When the Lubbock vs 2 Raksasha's fight cropped up in the manga, people wondered f Lubbock would die, as by revealing his backstory and love for the boss, he'd set up 2 big death flags for himself. I thought though, that he also had a pretty strong Death Guard set up - that he'd not really had much of a chance to show what he could do. However, by killing those demon monks, he has had a moment so shine, and thus that death blocker's gone.

The scene informing the others of 3 of the Raksashas deaths is new to the anime, and I quite liked it. It played off of their earlier scene well, and helped reinforce the necessity of the Jaegers. Ibara and Akame also had some extra dialogue here, in the manga they seemed familiar with one another, but they expanded on it a bit(unless I've just forgotten some of their talk).

On the other hand, I thought it was a bit of a pity that the Jaegers didn't get dressed up for their meeting with Borick/bolic/whatever he's called, though the best part of that was Seryu's reaction to Esdeath in a dress. Also, Esdeath's health-check kick totally lost the oomph it had in the manga, which pretty much knackers what was good about the scene in the first place.

Post by Oglaphone (67 posts) See mini bio Level 11

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You know, I think Chelsea was around for about an episode longer than Sheele, though that's not really that long, I guess. Speaking of whom, someone scanlated the bonus Sheele chapter that was done for the DVD/Blu-ray release. I quite liked it, it ended up more upbeat than I expected. there's also apparently one for Bulat, but the translator hasn't gotten round to that one yet.

Post by Oglaphone (67 posts) See mini bio Level 11

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@AgentFakku: We can't obviously know for certain if Kurome's a necrophiliac, but I'd call it an educated guess to say, "no". It would probably put people off of her in a way that her other flaws don't.

I preferred the way the Leone and Akame disabled Bolis in the anime version of the fight, it was easier to tell what was going on, also I thought Najenda's fight with the old general came across as more varied. On the other hand, I thought the initial clash between Akame & Kurome looked better in the manga, it seemed more like Kurome was handling her sister effortlessly. Tatsumi's scuffle with Natala was something else I preferred in the manga, their fight here looked a bit stiff. I also missed Tatsumi OraOraOra/AtAtAtAta-ing the ape-guy, and him seeming a bit more sympathetic to the creature when he destroyed it.

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I quite like the new opening, it seems an improvement on the previous one. I was surprised to see Budo in there, I thought the anime would end before it reached the point where he showed up.

Post by Oglaphone (67 posts) See mini bio Level 11

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Personally, I've always liked Seryu because she's so crazy & energetic. I found her to be an amusing villain.

As for Run, what I enjoyed with him is that the agenda that he hinted at seemed sinister, but when it was revealed that it wasn't, you could go back and re-read those earlier scenes and they still made sense.

Post by Oglaphone (67 posts) See mini bio Level 11

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Chelsea looks good in colour, her hair's a really nice shade. Odd bit of trivia - according to the official guidebook, Chelsea is 7 centimeters shorter than Akame. Doesn't look it, does she?

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History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi » History's Strongest Disciple Ends in September 2014

I've been following this series for quite a few years(and done a bunch of work on the wiki pages for this site) and while I'll admit my enjoyment of it's declined quite a bit over the years, I'm still sad to see it go.

Post by Oglaphone (67 posts) See mini bio Level 11

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I liked the new episode, but I'm disappointed that they excised the scene where Esdeath asks the Jagers if they're prepared to kill, and the reveal some of their motivations.

Also, this wonderfully demented moment from Seryu, which I also liked for her interaction with Esdeath, and Wave & Tatsumi's reaction.

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Ah, they have another similarity too, but it might take an episode or two for it to becomes apparent.

Post by Oglaphone (67 posts) See mini bio Level 11

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The first chapter of the manga was longer than normal, which might account for why its content made for a full episode.

There's the odd scene or thing excised from the manga for the last few episodes, some small, some longer. I can't be bothered right now to check extensively, but the biggest one I remember is Tatsumi & Leone killing some corrupt officials and one of their kids walk in, which segues into another scene where Leone explains a bit more of her backstory including how she got her Imperial Arm.

Post by Oglaphone (67 posts) See mini bio Level 11

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I think the Night Raid deaths seeming a bit packed together's maybe a side effect of them speeding through things a bit. In the manga Sheele died in chapter 9 & Bulat in chapter 14, so there was a bit more time in-between their deaths, especially if you were reading each chapter as they came out, then there'd be 5 months between them.

I liked the transformation sequence once Tatsumi got Incursio, and thought the Tyrant monster looked more ferocious here than it did in the manga.

Kurome's anime design looks a bit off. The hair's the most obvious point, but there's something else about how she looks that doesn't seem right to me. I'm sort of hoping against hope that her designs modified as the anime goes on to look a bit more like her manga self. In the case of her hair, those protrusion/flap things at the side of her head start off higher and are much thicker in the manga. What's odd is that the buff version of Nyau in the anime had pretty much the same style.

Admittedly, it changed during the manga and spread out a bit. Incidentally, I liked the voice the anime gave her.

Post by Oglaphone (67 posts) See mini bio Level 11

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Man, they're really rattling through them now. This episode was adapted from chapters 10, 11, 12, 13 & starts on 14(the manga equivalent ended with Bulat killing Daidara and reiterating his lesson about keeping an eye on your surroundings. Liver introducing himself came at the start of chapter 14).

I wonder if they're just eager to get to the stuff involving Esdeath, as I've always suspected she's a particularly popular character, and the Jagers? I don't remember those chapters perfectly clearly, but I think there's one or two of the excised scenes that I wouldn't mind seeing moved to a later point, like the base invasion was.

Post by Oglaphone (67 posts) See mini bio Level 11

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I think it airs around midnight. Most episodes that I've watched streamed haven't been censored. I heard that this one might have been a one off case because of some recent murder case in Sasebo, Japan. You know how it is, sometimes a violent incident becomes big in the news for a while, and networks and whatnot postpone or edit programmes that might seem insensitive.

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