@Dream: I understand just trying to help out.
Post-Retcon Beyonder? made a battle profile for him.
@GhostRipple: An omniverse refers to all universes outside of Dandy's fiction as well as our own universe, he affected every universe in his fiction but the others are not confirmed. TBH there isn't a single character so far in any fiction to be truly omniversal, the term is used incorrectly.
Doesn't really mean outside...
Beyonder as a example was Omniverse being a threat to everything and he was from another multiverse bigger then marvels multiverse so he can be omniversal like any omnipotent Gods.
@OfficialRikudouSennin: Very powerful statements there, but to what extent? All I can recall is the creation of the Tailed beasts, treasured tools he likely forged, and the basics of ninjutsu. Anything else? I mean it doesnt hold too much weight with what its demonstrated, there already being a planet with pre-established civilizations and all. Can it even be applied in combat? If so why did Hagoromo need the help of his brother to seal Kaguya away when he coulda just wished it away with this technique made only to him? Clearly it has restrictions to it or it could simple be a life giving ability which is very likey what it is given how it's written off.
His brother wasnt born with the rinnegan there levels of power are different.....way different also he knows all ninjutsu.
@OfficialRikudouSennin: So far all I see is hyperbole with no concrete proof other then incredibly vague word of mouth.
The Creation of All Things (万物創造, Banbutsu Sōzō) was an ability possessed by Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki, who used this to create the nine tailed beasts. The process he used is explained to have initially involved the administration of imagination, and the spiritual energy which forms the basis of Yin chakra to create physical forms from nothingness. Then, through the application of vitality, and the physical energy which forms the basis of Yang chakra, he would breathe life into the resulting creations.
Creation of All Things simple divided an already existing mass of chakra the Juubi, into 9 pieces and molded them into more manageable chibi tailed beasts. You do realize Hagoromo didnt make anything outside of ninjutsu right? That there was already established villages and societies that were fighting amongst each other that mommy had to stop herself before he was even born right?
It helps your arguments when you dont rely on such flimsy and open to interpret statements like Juubi created the world or Hagoromo made this. Did it physically create the entire planet? Did it simply produce life on a formerly barren rock, etc. We need actual feats or proof. Index God-Tiers like Othinus have nigh-omnipotence as the actual basis of their powers, meaning they can do almost whatever they want as their actual ability and its backed up with on panel feats where she's demonstrated casual universe ending and recreating feats countless times over.
LOL you dont realize the 9 tailed beast and even other stated the sage created them and kurama even knew it so you are again proven wrong.
@OfficialRikudouSennin: K, thanks for stopping by. Guess all the other people that agree Accelerator takes this based on whats read here aren't real debators too according to you XD
Want to provide proof on that last statement before you go though? Like what Hagoromo has to get over Accel's vector shield besides those silly nigh-omnipotent claims?
Creation of all things and lets see soul removal and lets not forget genjutsu and also the fact i cant take you seriously as a fanboy.
@OfficialRikudouSennin: Easy with relying on other fictions as a way to back up your claims of nigh-omnipotence for your Naruto characters, your not even doing it right. If you read in the first few pages of this thread, you'd know raw power isnt how you measure Accelerator but by how well his vector manipulation can react. Nothing they have can get through them, thus they cant hurt him and he can proceed to sending their attacks back to their face. But if you'd like to know Accelerators DC, he can utilize 5 minutes and likely more of the earth's rotational energy and concentrate it into a strike. Such force has been calced at anywhere near Continental+ to lifewiping the planet. Attacks of that magnitude will splatter Juubi/Kaguya and send em clear out of the atmosphere or into enough rubble to be sealed up. He can produce storms too, even compressing wind enough to produce plasma.
I am done with you ima wait until a actual debater comes on and debates with logic then ok?
Easy with relying on other fictions as a way to back up your claims of nigh-omnipotence for your Naruto characters, your not even doing it right.
Hagoromo Otsutsuki powers> Accelerator powers. GG
@CosmicKnight75: @CosmicKnight75 said:
@OfficialRikudouSennin: Wow, Im almost convinced your joking, but I'll humor you for a bit. Bone throws dont mean a thing unless they actually make contact. Since their thrown, they have vectors around their momentum. Once those vectors make contact with Accelerator's shield, Accelerator can do anything he wants like make them implode or send them right back to Kaguya to have her rot from her own technique. Getting a grasp on Accelerator's ability and how hopeless she is on hitting him unless she gets the jump with Moons Eye Plan?
Juubi's godly in Naruto a verse that on the grand scale of things, is a strong series but still gets beaten quite handedly by many fictions. TOAA is part of Marvel which is loaded with nigh omni's and universal+ beings with he himself as the top dog and an actual God in every sense of the word, so he's of course gonna have a lot more credibilty then your Juubi unless you can show me Juubi doing something like destroying the universe or at least a planet.
Until then, Fiamma of the Right will find Sage of Six Paths, Kaguya, Naruto and Sasuke combined absolutely adorable.
Kaguya can dimensional shift she is also a absolute immortal a she was shown to be ageless. I know the juubi isn't all powerful but it created the narutoverse so logic invalid as you are 1 siding of a character you know more about as if he has his own limits right? and the juubi can tank its own power both shown and if you wanna talk about anything here about it destroying the planet? and it seems you ignored my statement IT CREATED THE WORLD the fact the juubi weakness is senjutsu i don't see Accelerator even calculating such a energy to damage the juubi.
Can Accelerator create natural storms? can Accelerator hold mountains with ease? can he destroy island or nigh states with a single blast because i am pretty sure the juubi can tank a nuke way better then he did.
Hagoromo by power standards is a nigh omni due to his status i and others have opinions like this but its undeniable of the power he has.
Also Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA and stated by stan lee was even TOAA in his own actuality and the fact his multiverse dwarfed TOAA shows who has greater example of omnipotence and the fact the presence defeated TGEB a being who was also omnipotent shows i would pick The presence in a fight over the one above all.
@OfficialRikudouSennin: That's all really cool and everything except...thats not getting them anywhere. Sage Hashirama can do some damage at best before going down. Tobirama has nothing in his water jutsu that puts him even close to Sensui level. Only things in Naruto that can give S Class Demons a good fight are Shinju-related characters.
Like you said before in one verse they arent on that level right? these S Rank are B rank compared to the senju as Hashirama wood style has been shown to bind demon level beings and the flying raijin by far beats anything kurama or hiei has and even in a blink tobirama turns the field into a based advantage just like hashirama.
@OfficialRikudouSennin: No saying something cant be killed because it's own verse cant do it is a NLF and its regeneration your so hyped on is only shown to work on a cellular level at best. Also, mind proving that it can resist Accelerator vector manipulation enough not to be BFR'd? Cus Sakura's punch seemed to work wonders on Kaguya. Just because something is considered godly in one verse doesnt mean much for others. Your Naruto God-tiers would barely break High-Mid Tiers in Index.
Thats your biased opinion not mine as i stated reasons as to why Accelerator can't win due to the powers
Bolded Part: haha no.....Kaguya 1 shots with ash bones right? i mean that move was shown to be unstoppable and the Juubi itself is GODLY on another level it was stated point blank to create the world so you cant basically say "Oh it aint godly in another verse." then i can say TOAA lose to The Presence by your own statement right since TOAA in the DC Multiverse?
@OfficialRikudouSennin: Tobirama's got nothing on either of them. Sage Mode Hashirama's and his Giant Buddha Statue of Wood are almost there and could do damage but not quite enough to be even on Sensui's lvl. Both get getting stomped.
Tobirama has flying raijin and edo tensei and to note he was such mastery of water he can summon it anywhere. Hashirama has 3 elements Water,Earth, and wood which he has the field for advantage and with weapons as he been shown is advance not expert but advance also and since full power Hiei and Kurama gets stomps by Buddha statue.
@OfficialRikudouSennin: Serious No-Limits-Fallacy there by saying only the Sage of Six Paths technique can beat Juubi. Chibaku Tensei is nothing more then using gravity on a target to make said target into a center of gravity for debris to converge into.
Accelerator controls the vectors of gravity and can have them converge on Juubi for same eff just like he does with wind, can knock it out of the atmosphere with a strike amplified by using the vectors of the Earth's rotational energy, or just drive it so deep into the ground it wont know which way is up. Even easier to do against the human sized and rather delicate Kaguya who he'll be making into a railgun for his next target practice. It's pretty much Mugen Tsukuyomi if it can hit him or nothing.
Manga fact dude seriously THEY COULDN'T kill it so they sealed it keyword under Seal and saying he can send a God tier being into space is No-Limits-Fallacy.