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Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Off-Topic » The person below me has never...

False. Using OTK moves on Traditional Rules set. Using stuff like Exodia etc..

The person below me has never left his country.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Bojack vs. Dabura

Dabura fought an SSJ2 (albit a weaker one) but he himself was holding back, confirmed by both Goku and Vegeta and the fight showed that Dabura was clearly not going allout while Gohan was gasping for air. Dabura is also a smarter fighter, he was able to anticipade and predict Gohan's moves like the underwater scene or using afterimages, Bojack showed that he can only rush at people and pound away. Dabura has shown that he can breath fire witch could harm an SSJ2. To me Bojack is more in the league of Perfect Cell (100%) and Dabura is more on Super Perfect Cell lvl. IMO Dabura takes this rather easily.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11
Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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Battles » Wrath of Asura vs The Olympians

@XxGin said:

@ReiKai: Are you sure you are familiar with Greek mythos cause I don't think you are.

There is a user on Comicvine called ''ShootingNova'' he seemed to know alot of Mythology stuff and he said that Orphic Zeus was incredible strong. Something about Zeus absorbing/defeating Nyx or some other Abstract and litterly became everything (God).

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/myth-war-odin-vs-zeus-vs-quetzalcoatl-672704/

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/galactus-vs-zeus-712227/

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/zeus-vs-cthulhu-756657/

Pretty cool stuff.

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Battles » Gogeta Vs Buuhan

@Gsp22 said:

@niBBit: If Janemba clearly didn't get his hands on that sword, the fight with sjj3 Goku would have dragged out longer.. I'm not saying h would have won but h held his own with Janemba then he did with Buutenks

You clearly did not pay any attention what i wrote. Janemba with just 1 energy attack from his mouth nearly took Goku down, that was without his sword. Even when Janemba got his sword and Goku attacked with an energy shot to his stomach Janemba tanked it no problem. All that was Janemba just goofing around, because like i said in my previous post when Gogeta came along Janemba got scared shitless and powered up, revealing a massive aura witch would indicate he had alot more power that he was letting on, in other words he wasn't fighting Goku with all he had while Goku was at full power. A fully powered serious Janemba would have ended there little match alot quicker.

The reason Goku was ''hanging on'' against Buutenks was because Buutenks had the personality of Gotenks+the typical villian syndrome. He was fooling around the entire time, even with his fight with Gohan. He could have finished Gohan multiple times like when Gohan attacked and Buutenks came up behind him with his fist against his cheek, taunting him and saying ''that could have been you're head'' Gohan even ended up running away from him, that and much more. Now if Buutenks did that to Gohan what do you think he will do against Goku SSJ3 who is a shit ton weaker than Gohan? A pissed off Buutenks would desimate Goku SSJ3 without any sort of problem. Goku ''hanging on'' was a result of Buutenks not giving a crap about him.

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Battles » Gogeta Vs Buuhan

@chrono122 said:

@ChromeDisaster: Goku ssj3 was putting up a good fight against janemba

You call 1 kick and 3 punches and 1 energy blast a good fight? Janemba released just 1 energy attack from his mouth and Goku was barely able to stand after it hit him, heck even when that energy blast from Goku hit Janemba he wasn't even hurt, he just stood there in the flames smiling like a crazy person. Janemba then got his sword out and Goku ended up running away from him. When Gogeta appeared Janemba got scared and powered up, it showed a massive aura witch could indicate that he had alot more power than he was letting on, but Gogeta didn't let him reach his full power and attacked him.

In DBZ there are alot of moments where a weaker character manages to seemingly hurt a opponent who is alot stronger than they are, the stronger opponent grunts, moans and pulls all kinds of faces that it seems that they are hurt, but uselly when the smoke clears they are far from being really hurt or defeated.

A fully powered serious Janemba would demolish Goku SSJ3 without any sort of problem.

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Battles » Gogeta Vs Buuhan

IMO Gogeta and Vegito are pretty much equall in power. So Gogeta wins this.

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Battles » Buuhan and Janemba vs. Vegito

@eddz99: People are forgetting that Buuhan wasn't going all out against Vegito and Vegito wasn't neither witch can be seen in the next episode where both figthers powerup and use more techniques. Vegito needed to go SSJ to ensure a smooth victory otherwise he could have just stayed at base lvl. If he was strong enough to easily crush Buuhan at base lvl's then why go SSJ? unless Vegito wasn't sure he can take Buu down that easily or even if he could. Even Old Kai warned Goku that he should avoid going SSJ because it could shorten their lifespan. Goku/Vegeta would't go SSJ unless it was truly needed, otherwise they are risking there lifes for nothing. Even in there first fight between them, there was a scene where both fighters where fighting in the clouds and both of them seemed evenly matched, trading blows back at eachother. Even when Vegito kicked that ball away both figthers where smirking and making jokes. Both of them where testing eachother out before the real fight began.

Buuhan has Janemba as backup but i don't see him really do much. At best Buuhan could simply use Janemba as some sort of meat shield so that Buuhan can get a good shot at Vegito, either way if Janemba doesn't watch out Vegito would easily crush him. I stay with my original statement that the team takes the first round and that they will lose in round 2.

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Battles » Buuhan and Janemba vs. Vegito

Round 1 goes to team.

Round 2 goes to Vegito.

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Battles » SSJ2 Teen Gohan Vs LSSJ Broly

@ohgodwhy said:

@niBBit: Butt....Durr....Brolllyyyyy......Durrr......Blew up the GALAXY.....durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrasdfavczxvvzv?!!??!?!?!?!?!

I agree.

Also I'm sure this thread has been done before.

hahahha

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » SSJ2 Teen Gohan Vs LSSJ Broly

I think it would be a good idea to just ban Broly from the forums. Broly fights usually end up in people talking about the same stuff over and over again. 1 side will say Broly>>>everyone else, and 1 side will say, most people>>>Broly. And the same arguments will be said and in the end nobody will listen and create numerous Broly battles the next day :)

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Battles » Goku vs Naruto (Help me end a debate with a friend)

@GIRUGAMESH said:

@SilverGalford: I guess you could say that Trunks was able to cancel out the blast, or some shiz along those lines.

That logic isn't only seen in DBZ/anime though, you see it a bit in comics. For instance, in one issue PR Molecule Man fired a blast at PR Beyonder that was stated to have enough power to destroy billions of dimensions, and yet it didn't even destroy the room they were in. It's pretty much that kind of thing that explains why the attacks of later series characters in DBZ don't immediately obliterate planets (they focus their power, or something along those lines, I guess). I agree it does seem a bit stupid at times though.

Pretty much this. Odin for example manged to K.O the Silver Surfer with an energy blast the size off a small car. It's a consistent thing in both comics and manga for blasts of incredible power to not have massive collateral damage. DBZ characters can concentrate there attacks so that they don't mess up everything. Nappa is a casual City buster but none of his blasts vs the Z warriors left a city size crater that he's obviously capable of producing etc etc.

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Battles » Kid Buu vs Super Buu (Gohan, Piccolo, Goten and Trunks)

Akira messed up big time. Even in the eng dub of the anime Goku did NOT wanted to fight Super Buu. He replied to Vegeta that even now they free'd everybody from Buuhan and reduced his power to Super Buu lvl they would't stand a chance against him and he wanted to fuse with Vegeta in order to beat him so that tells me that Super Buu>Goku/Vegeta. Kid Buu appears in the next episode and Goku's like, i got THIS! and is happy to fight Kid Buu 1vs1, dispite that Kid Buu arcording to some is the strongest Buu. F logic right? Goku shiting his pants for Super Buu then another stronger Buu appears and Goku's like ''wow even stronger that the last Buu! the one i was scared to fight! jup gonna fight this one instead!''

Some say that Kid Buu was holding out on Goku and never went 100%. Its possible but i doubt it. We did see Kid Buu push back the Spirit Bomb so that was impessive, but in there fight Kid Buu got pissed off alot by Goku and he could't put Goku down + acording to Goku himself he let the fight drag on so he to was holding back. Kid Buu did not show anything to me that would put him over the other Super Buu's. The whole Kid Buu is the strongest Buu crap was just Akira trying to hype up the last villian of DBZ so that Goku the Jezus of DBZ could shine because Goku was useless pretty much the whole Buu saga.

Goku really was usless in the Bu Saga. He came back to life like... 5 minutes before Buutenks started beating him. Then he was running for his life from Buuhan, and later got his ass handed to him along side Vegeta by Buuhan. Then he got his ass kicked by Super Buu's digestive juices and worms that where living inside Super Buu, and got his ass handed to him again inside Super Buu by Buu himsefl. To me Super Buu>Kid Buu always.

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Battles » SSJ Gotenks (Pre Rosat) vs Kid Buu

@ImDictatorBowDown said:

@SpeedForceSpider: Pre RoSaT Gotenks lost to Fat Buu, Kid Buu wins

Gotenks SSJ never fought Fat Buu, he only fought Fat Buu when he was at base and yeah he got clobberd but what do you except at base lvl. Pre or Post Gotenks i still would say that Kid Buu wins.

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Battles » Majin Uub Vs Mystic Gohan

@danzi97 said:

@niBBit: @niBBit said:

@xlab3000 said:

Majuub wins. people always say GT powerscale is crappy that's bs in my opinion. screwattack did it right on how the way they potrayed a ssj4 goku(personality) on powerscaling.

It is silly when you think about it. Uub first appeared 10 years after the Kid Buu Saga, it was said that Goku kept training the entire time preparing to fight Uub. He then takes Uub under his wing and starts to train him fior 5 years. So Goku spend 15 years training in total. If we take a step back to the start of the Buu Saga, we learn that Goku spend 7 years training in Otherworld, a place where the gravity is much greater than Earth's, a place where powerfull warriors train like Pikkon and Olibu and Goku can train better because of him being dead. Now 7 years is a pretty long time would't you agree? expecially when he was training in such a place.

Then the fight between Dabura and Gohan SSJ2 happend on Babidi's ship. Now Goku for sure is strong but i'll be damned if Goku (base) can defeat either Dabura or Gohan SSJ2. Gohan isn't as he's used to be for sure but so weak that Goku (base) can beat him? no way. Now if we add another 7 years would Goku be able to defeat an SSJ2 then? i still doubt it and even, even if Goku could do it that would still put him at SSJ2 lvl. Goku GT (base) was said to rival Goku SSJ3 from DBZ who is 400 times stronger than an SSJ2.

When Rildo was coming towards Goku and friends, Goku replied that Rildo might be stronger than Majin Buu. Witch Majin Buu he doesn't say. It could be Super Buu for all we know, witch would make it even more ridiculous. Even when Rildo merged with the Sigma Force he was still outmatched by Goku. Only when Rildo turned Metal Rildo was Goku forced to go SSJ.

You also need to keep in mind that Goku spend 15 years training on Earth witch is inferior to Otherworld. We do see Goku and Uub train in the Hyperbolic Timechamber but we don't know for how long. All in all its difficult to imagine Goku being THAT strong in his base form that he can rival an SSJ3. And like i said we don't even know for sure witch Majin Buu he was refering to, Good Buu/Fat Buu/Kid Buu/Super Buu/Buutenks/Mystic Buu take your pick. how much time did he spend in the HBT with Uub? 1 hour? 2 hours? 1 day?. Its all still vague. I'm not denying that Goku would be a beast after so many years because Goku trains like a machine but its just hard to swallow him being that strong at base lvl.

SSJ3 is 4 (FOUR) times stronger than SSJ2, not 400.

Also, he spent 15 years training in Kami-sama's temple (which might have secrets and "dimensions" we don't know) with someone who had nearly infinite potential. Haven't you noticed that when it comes do Dragon Ball, the stronger people get, the faster they become even stronger?

As for Rilldo, I assumed (because this is the only way that makes sense) that Goku compared him to the version of Buu that was alive: Mr. Buu, who was pretty weak in DBGT. It's all a little confusing, yeah, but you can find some sense in it.

Answering the question: Majin Uub wouldn't have much trouble handling Ultimate Gohan, specially because manga power-levels are different from the anime: SSJ3 Goku GT >> SSJ3 Goku >> Ultimate Gohan :P

Oeps my mistake about the x400 part :) Seeing my post again is see that i made some other mistakes, was pretty tired when i wrote that. You say that Goku spend 15 years training at Kami's temple, where do you have a scan or reference of that? The only time i heard/saw Goku training up there was at the start of GT with Uub, i could't find anything that said that both of them trained at Kami's temple the whole time or in the HBT.

Sadly we don't know for sure if Goku was really comparing Rildo to Mr. Buu, he could be refering to Kid Buu, the Majin Buu he fought the longest and hardest. GT is still somewhat confusing to me but i'm gonna start fresh and rewatch some of the episodes and try to make sense of it all before i say something embarrassing again :)

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Battles » Majin Uub Vs Mystic Gohan

@xlab3000 said:

Majuub wins. people always say GT powerscale is crappy that's bs in my opinion. screwattack did it right on how the way they potrayed a ssj4 goku(personality) on powerscaling.

It is silly when you think about it. Uub first appeared 10 years after the Kid Buu Saga, it was said that Goku kept training the entire time preparing to fight Uub. He then takes Uub under his wing and starts to train him fior 5 years. So Goku spend 15 years training in total. If we take a step back to the start of the Buu Saga, we learn that Goku spend 7 years training in Otherworld, a place where the gravity is much greater than Earth's, a place where powerfull warriors train like Pikkon and Olibu and Goku can train better because of him being dead. Now 7 years is a pretty long time would't you agree? expecially when he was training in such a place.

Then the fight between Dabura and Gohan SSJ2 happend on Babidi's ship. Now Goku for sure is strong but i'll be damned if Goku (base) can defeat either Dabura or Gohan SSJ2. Gohan isn't as he's used to be for sure but so weak that Goku (base) can beat him? no way. Now if we add another 7 years would Goku be able to defeat an SSJ2 then? i still doubt it and even, even if Goku could do it that would still put him at SSJ2 lvl. Goku GT (base) was said to rival Goku SSJ3 from DBZ who is 400 times stronger than an SSJ2.

When Rildo was coming towards Goku and friends, Goku replied that Rildo might be stronger than Majin Buu. Witch Majin Buu he doesn't say. It could be Super Buu for all we know, witch would make it even more ridiculous. Even when Rildo merged with the Sigma Force he was still outmatched by Goku. Only when Rildo turned Metal Rildo was Goku forced to go SSJ.

You also need to keep in mind that Goku spend 15 years training on Earth witch is inferior to Otherworld. We do see Goku and Uub train in the Hyperbolic Timechamber but we don't know for how long. All in all its difficult to imagine Goku being THAT strong in his base form that he can rival an SSJ3. And like i said we don't even know for sure witch Majin Buu he was refering to, Good Buu/Fat Buu/Kid Buu/Super Buu/Buutenks/Mystic Buu take your pick. how much time did he spend in the HBT with Uub? 1 hour? 2 hours? 1 day?. Its all still vague. I'm not denying that Goku would be a beast after so many years because Goku trains like a machine but its just hard to swallow him being that strong at base lvl.

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Battles » Majin Uub Vs Mystic Gohan

Sadly GT battles here on the Vice will result only in pages long ''Gohan wins because GT sucks'' comments. Anyway in terms of powerscaling Majuub takes this. The guy managed to put up a decent fight against Super Baby Vegeta.

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Battles » USSJ Trunks Vs LSSJ Broly

I'm not in the Broly>everybody club but he takes this rather easily.

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