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Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » LSSJ Broly vs Nono

Wow after reading up what she can do i'd say she takes this, stoping a moving planet is no easy thing to do.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » DBZ Gods run a gauntlet ! ! !

@GrayWolf2: Like i said it was very impressive what he did deflecting Mega Buu's attack like that BUT like i said Mystic Gohan did so to against Buutenks who in turn is far stronger than Mystic Gohan is, so it doesn't mean that he is far stronger than Mega Buu, he could be. Also him cutting up Buu like that was very awesome and nobody did it like him but Goku (base) managed to cut Buutenks in half with the Destructo Disc, Buu's body is very fragile.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » DBZ Gods run a gauntlet ! ! !

@GrayWolf2: I've edited my post look at the bottom, i think the other Kai's are more powerfull than i've listed them, so if my new powerlvl list is correct then this a walk in the park for them right? what if i put SSJ2 Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku in the final round would that make it better?

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » DBZ Gods run a gauntlet ! ! !

From left to right: South Supreme Kai, North Supreme Kai, East Supreme Kai, West Supreme Kai, The Grand Supreme Kai.

I know these characters have very little showing and this battle would be difficult to discuss properly but i wanted to try it anyway so here goes.

South Supreme Kai has the most showings and screentime from all the other Kai's with the exeption of East Supreme Kai ofcourse. When he and Kid Buu fought at the start of there battle they seemed to be evenly matched, South Supreme Kai was fast enough to dodge some of Kid Buu's energy attacks and punches and even manages to rip one of Kid Buu's arm of by sheer brute strenght. Later on Kid Buu dominated the battle eating one of South Supreme Kai's energy attacks (literally) and kicking South Supreme Kai in the neck doing severe damage and eventually absorbing him. Now to me it looks like South Supreme Kai could be around SSJ2 lvl as he managed to give Kid Buu some actual trouble in there fight. He could be as strong as Vegeta SSJ2 maybe a little stronger, Vegeta however showed a greater durability than South Supreme Kai and did a little more damage to Kid Buu than South Supreme Kai did.

North Supreme Kai had the least amount of showing, you only see him charging Kid Buu with his sword cutting him in half and later dies by one of Kid Buu's energy attacks. My wild guess is that he is a very weak SSJ opponent maybe somewhere around Android 17/18 lvl.

East Supreme Kai had only a brief battle with Fat Buu in the show, he did pull some interesting attacks but proved inefective against Fat Buu wich is weaker than Kid Buu. East Supreme Kai is also very afraid of Dabura and doesn't want to cross his path, so it shows that the East Supreme Kai isn't a very powerfull opponent as Dabura is easily an SSJ2 lvl. East Supreme Kai to me looks he might be a little more powerfull than North Supreme Kai but not by a hugh amount, maybe around Android 16. The fusion with Kibito, making him Kibito Kai, should increase his power by a good deal perhaps matching Semi Perfect Cell.

West Supreme Kai was the first Kai Kid Buu fought, she hasn't had the best showing either, you see her getting pummel'd by Kid Buu, she briefly manages to deal some punches but then is thrown against an ice wall. She then fires an energy attack at Kid Buu but Kid Buu kicked it away and then he finishes her of. West Supreme Kai showed a bit more resistence than North Kai or even East Supreme Kai but not by a whole lot so i think her powerlvl isn't far from East Supreme Kai.

The Grand Supreme Kai is an interesting one, altough he also had little showing he displayed alot of power against an stronger Majin Buu namely Bulky Buu or Mega Buu or whatever people call him, the one when he absorbed South Supreme Kai the very big on :). The Grand Supreme Kai deflected Mega Buu's energy attack with an energy field similair that of Mystic Gohan when he was fighting Buutenks, deflecting the attack back at the opponent. He then fires an devestating attack that cuts Mega Buu into pieces and it didn't look that he wasn't straining himself either. Its clear that in order to deflect such an attack in the way he did you'd need alot of power, it does not mean he's stronger than Mega Buu but at the least should be in the same league like Mystic Gohan did against Buutenks, so either The Grand Kai is around SSJ3 or around Super Buu (maybe weaker)

Its worth mentioning that the East Supreme Kai has mention'd before that each Kai is far more powerfull than Frieza so thats why i put North Supreme Kai around Android lvl and not stronger because, East Supreme Kai did not know about Cell or the Androids. When East Supreme Kai was talking with Goku about Dabura's powerlvl Goku replied: *Yeah Dabura is strong but he's not unbeatable, about 7 years ago we fought a guy named Cell now he was tough.* and its pretty clear by anyone that the East Supreme Kai overlooks alot of things....alot....of things.

Keep in mind these are all my opinions and if you think i'm wrong about any of there powerlvls, maybe you think there far stronger or even weaker, feel free to correct me, like i said they have little showing so this would be difficult. Now for the actual battle!

- Location Supreme Kai World

- No Morals

- No prep

- No Planet Busting

- Bloodlusted

- These are all Team Battles

- East Supreme Kai is Fused with Kibito, thus - Kibito Kai

Round 1: Frieza (100%), Cooler (Final Form), King Cold, Lord Chilling, Bardock SSJ

Round 2: Android 18, Android 17, Android 16, Super Android 13, Imperfect Cell (Full Power)

Round 3: Super Vegeta, Super Trunks, Teen Gohan SSJ, Piccolo (End DBZ), Goku SSJ (End Cell Games, the same for Trunks/Gohan/Vegeta)

Round 4: Olibu, Pikkon, Bojack (Final Form), Perfect Cell (Full Power), Hatchijack (Final Form)

Round 5: Super Perfect Cell, Dabura (No Spit), Adult Gohan SSJ2, Vegeta SSJ2, Goku SSJ2 (Start Buu Saga, same for Vegeta,Goku has the same powerlvl as Majin Vegeta)

Could the DBZ Gods clear this gauntlet or will they fail.

EDIT: After some thinking i believe that the Kai's are stronger than i originally thought. For example: i said that East Supreme Kai could be as strong as Android 16 but if that where the case he could not hope to hurt Fat Buu in there battle as East Supreme Kai did in fact fire'd an energy attack at Buu blasting him away, or West Supreme Kai couldn't have lasted that long against Kid Buu if her power was around the Androids, seeing as Semi Perfect Cell blasted Android 16 away with one energy attack. I think there powerlvl could be around Goku's when he fought against Cell or maybe and its a big maybe, rivaling Perfect Cell in Full Power (NOT Super Perfect Cell)

EDIT 2: I rewatched the episode for the second time, the battle between South Supreme Kai and Kid Buu: I made a comment that i thought South Supreme Kai should not be stronger than Vegeta SSJ2 because South Supreme Kai had poor durability (every Kai for that matter), but that could also easily be, and probably is, is that these battles needed to be resolve quickly to advance the story, South Supreme Kai was actually already fighting Kid Buu before the flashback started, so they where fighting alot longer than i originally thought, and i also forgot that South Supreme Kai tanked a charged headbutt from Kid Buu the SAME move Kid Buu used against Vegeta witch knocked him down, so that means South Supreme Kai should be alot stronger than Vegeta SSJ2. I would say that Majin Vegeta, Goku SSJ2 and South Supreme Kai are pretty much even in terms of power.

EDIT3: After a fun debate with SpeedForceSpider i've come to a dissision about some of the Kai's powerlvl's, note this is my opinion:

I say Grand Supreme Kai could be around SSJ3, maybe an low/mid tier one or perhaps just as strong, still not completly sure about him. South Supreme Kai should be stronger than Vegeta SSJ2 but not Majin Vegeta or Goku SSJ2, SpeedForceSpider thinks Vegeta SSJ2 is still stronger. North and West could be around Goku SSJ at the time around the Cell Games, SpeedForceSpider thinks there around Super Vegeta. Kibito Kai should be high tier SSJ and maybe a low tier SSJ2 at best.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Buuhan runs a gauntlet

@SpeedForceSpider: I apologize for my little outburst. I get where your coming from as i to know people who are like that so again i'm sorry. Back to the topic at hand :) being complete does not mean more powerfull at least to me, Vegeta is for example a far better tactician than Goku is and Goku is an better fighter than Vegeta but, if you put those two together than Goku doesn't suffer from being an average tactician Vegeta doesn't suffer from being an average fighter because both there strong points are now one as its usally so is with rivals, btw the whole Goku is better fighter stuff was just an example i don't want to create another battle :).

P.S. I to think Broly is overated as heck :)

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Buuhan runs a gauntlet

@SpeedForceSpider: I have to use the Anime to reference it because Gogeta does not apear in the official Manga it is not an canon character Vegito is. You're the one that ignored things, I already posted that your wrong about your so called rival boost. Just because something is in the Anime does not always mean its bad info and besides the whole rival thing? thats an reference ONLY in the anime NOT in the offcial handbooks so with that statement you did the same thing what i did but apperently when i do it is simply wrong right?. Never mind that is simply flat out not true..how the hell does that work? since when was it stated that the Potara Earings improve when the two induviduals are rivals? like i said the only mentioning about rivals is Old Kai in both the Manga and Anime is *that the fact that they where rivals aqtually makes the fusion more complete* COMPLETE not more powefull something i already posted about and given you ample evidence.

I though we where having a nice fun disscusion until you brought out the fanboy stuff... do you know me? do you know what my favorite DBZ characters are? no you don't if you did knew you will find out that i'm an huge DBZ fan....FAN no at fanboy and love every character be it Vegito or Guldo, and thats also a very quite one to bring that out i mean what...we where discussun for like 2 posts and BAM suddenly i'm a fanboy :S

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Buuhan runs a gauntlet

@SpeedForceSpider: The powerlevels need to be exact in order to perform the fusion and create a new body, when there fused into there new body they can simply powerup and reach there maximum power, Goku's powerlevel does not simply vanish into thin air he can still access it later into their new body, thats what makes the Fusion Dance so ineffective because of its rituals. With the Potara earings you simple put it on and BAM...Ultimate Warrior ready. Look at how Gotenks went from SSJ to SSJ3 in his Fusion form dispite Goten and Trunks never ever manged to learn and reach an SSJ2 or SSJ3 in there natural state. Potara gets rid of all these drawbacks that the Fusion Dance creates, its ineffective in a real situation.

Your wrong about Old Kai saying its makes it stonger he said and i quote: *The fact that the two of them are rivals actually makes the fusion more complete*. Again, Old kai never says its stronger in both the offcial JAP and ENG anime. Potara earings are simple better because it simply has no drawbacks and the Fusion Dance has.

EDIT: In the last minutes of the episode where Old Kai grands Goku his life, Goku was in a hurry to fight Buuhan but Old Kai stopped him and said the he's no match for him in his current sate in witch Goku replied:

Goku: hmm, OK! I know i will just do a Fusion with Gohan and that way we are bound to win right!

Old Kai: Ah Fusion you mean of the type those kids are using, you think Majin Buu will sit on his laurels and wait for you two to practice the right stance i don't think so

He then gives the Potara earings and explains that he and Gohan simply need to put it into their ear and they will fuse *My kind of Fusion*

To me it sounds exactly like i explained, that the Fusion Dance in a real time situation is ineffective simple because an opponent will not wait for you to peform your silly little dance this was painfully clear when Super Buu was in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber with Goten and Trunks, there where getting ready to do Fusion and Buu just charged towards Trunks and hitting him on the ground thus preventing the fusion.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Buuhan runs a gauntlet

@SpeedForceSpider: Alright show me scans or any other infomation where its stated that Potaro multipies and the dance only adds.

EDIT: I've looked in manga and other official books, looked at the wiki watched the anime episodes in both ENG and JAP and never was is stated that Potara was stronger than the Fusion Dance, it never EVER went into details on how much power the person gets by the Fusions, anyway i hope you can find some official stuff that i could look into.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Kibito kai vs. Goku SSJ2

@SpeedForceSpider: It was Majin Vegeta no less :)

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Buuhan runs a gauntlet

If the Potaro was more powerfull the Old Kai could have said it right away but he only says: *The fusion is more effective than the fusion dance from the Metamorans*, effective not more powerfull. Nowhere was it stated anywhere that the Potaro is more powerfull only more effective because it does not have an time limit making is better than the fusion dance, so to me i don't have a reason to beleive that Vegito is more powerfull than Gogeta and in the end there the same person only with diffrent clothes and personality, but to each there own.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Kibito kai vs. Goku SSJ2

@Supreme Marvel: Yeah i agree. South Supreme Kai and Grand Supreme Kai where the only ones who where impessive. North Supreme Kai (the other fat one with the sword) was probably the weakest since he died like instant. West Supreme Kai the only female Kai was actually doing decent against Kid Buu but like Vegeta SSJ2 she was beaten down hard later on. East Supreme Kai like the North Kai like you said are **** compared to the other Kai's and yes he was constantly suprised by Goku/Gohan/Vegeta's power on Babidi's ship. I doubt Kibito Kai could even win against South Supreme Kai let alone Grand Supreme Kai.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Buuhan runs a gauntlet

@Supreme Marvel: No we didn't. Like i said i'm a big believer that Vegito and Gogeta share the same power so, in the battle with Vegito (Base) vs Buuhan Vegito was clearly the better man and was winning but not by a large margin. Gogeta would do the same but like DBZ_universe above said can he finish him in time wich i highly doubt, thats the downside of Gogeta vs Vegito...time.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Kibito kai vs. Goku SSJ2

@Supreme Marvel: You have the Kai's all mixed up :) The Supreme Kai from the Buu Saga was back in the day The East Supreme Kai, The Southern Supreme Kai was the one who fought Kid Buu, after that he got absorbed and became Mega Buu. The Grand Supreme Kai was the High Ruler of the Kai's and he protected Supreme Kai by being destroyed by Buu by deflecting his blast and cutting Buu up into millions of pieces in just one attack, after that he got absorbed and became Fat Buu.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Pegasus Seiya vs DBZ verse

@TheVectorPrime: Yup, read the rules.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » SSJ Gotenks(Post-Rosat) vs Kid Buu

@GrayWolf2: Tough to say actually because when Gotenks attacked with his childish punches that was Gotenks (Base) not SSJ, when he went SSJ they barely fought, it was Gotenks just spamming his Super Ghosts. The only brief fight was like i said before was when Super Buu after being blown up after the third time he grabbed Gotenks with his head tentacle and smacked him around, so we don't see Gotenks SSJ vs Super Buu in an classic head to head battle.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Buuhan runs a gauntlet

Round 1: He gets by it easily

Round 2 : The same as Round 1

Round 3: This would be a difficult match because Buuhan is basicly (Goten SSJ/Trunks SSJ/Piccolo/Mystic Gohan, Vegeta SSJ2 is stronger than Goten/Trunks/Piccolo put together, Mystic Gohan+Mystic Gohan is stalemate :) and Super Buu is stronger than Goku SSJ3, so Buuhan should win here but after a good battle.

Round 4 : Gogeta Base Form should win, i'm a big believer that Vegito and Gogeta are equal in power as i've stated many times before that the potaro fusing does not make you more powerfull than the fusion dance, the only thing what has been said in the series ever (Old Kai) is that the potaro fusion is more effective than the fusion dance because it does not suffer from a time limit, he does not say even in the JAP SUB that its more powerfull, so seeing as Vegito was stronger than Buuhan in his Base form he should win.

Round 5: Gogeta easily wins here

Round 6: Spite in Gogeta's favor.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Kibito kai vs. Goku SSJ2

@DBZ_universe: Southern Supreme Kai was fighting Kid Buu something Goku SSJ2 could not hope to do. Remember when Majin Vegeta was fighting Fat Buu he could not take Fat Buu down and Kid Buu>>>>Fat Buu. South Supreme Kai had a briief showing yes but he did put up a very good fight against Kid Buu.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Kid Buu runs a gauntlet

@DBZ_universe: nope but its in my list of animé i've borowed from my friend i beleive they are 2 versions right?

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Kid Buu runs a gauntlet

@TheNobody: Sadly i don't know to many Animé other than DBZ/Yu-Gi-Oh/Pokemon basicly what was at Fox Kids at the time :) I've grabbed like 12 Action based Animé's from a friend a couple of weeks ago but i've yet to see any of them yet. Hellsing and Hellsing Ultimate is the only one i've watched recently but your right there to many DBZ battle i will try to make some diffrent ones if i can.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Kibito kai vs. Goku SSJ2

@eddz99: I rank Dabura a bit lower than SPC but moving on, yeah Supreme Kai was afraid of Dabura as seen in *DBZ - 205 - The Wizards Curse* Dabura killed Kibito like it was nothing, granted Kibito could'd defend himself in time but i doubt he could do anything either way, so Supreme Kai is definitly weaker than an SSJ2 even Gohan's weakend state. Kibito Kai could maybe/perhaps match Gohan but thats a big maybe, Goku SSJ2 is out of the question. Supreme Kai was never the strongest Kai to begin with its either the Grand Supreme Kai or the Southern Suprem Kai but they would kill Goku SSJ2 pretty easily :)

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