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Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Base Goku Vs Kuririn, Yamcha, Tien

People take BotG way to seriously its like Akira doesn't even try anymore. We have Vegeta SSJ2 going into rage mode and he manages to surpass Gotenks SSJ, Mystic Gohan and Goku SSJ3. An SSJ3 is 4x times stronger than an SSJ2 and i bet that Goku at this point is (like always) miles ahead of Vegeta but somehow Vegeta simply getting angry gives him a 10x boost? WTF. Ohw and whats up with Bills unable to destroy Earth because he was weak? Bills wasn't even using his full power against Goku so after the fight he should have like 10/20% power left, hell even if it was 5% he should have had enough power to nuke the planet seeing how Frieza whitout any effort whatsoever blew up planet Vegeta with a measly 530.000 PL, yet Bills could only destroy a rock pillar?

Bills statement on how Goku was to weak to beat Frieza in his base form? puleeasse! When Goku first fought Frieza he had a PL of 3 million. You all know how insanely fast DBZ characters grow right? i mean we have Piccolo going from a PL of 300 something to 1400 something in a year thats an 4-5x increase. Tien and Yamcha whent from 1200 something to beating the crap out of the Ginyu Force who are in the 40-50K thats a 40-50x increase. Now Goku after the Frieza fight spent several months on Yardrat training, then he spend 3 years training for the arival against the androids, then 1 year in the hyperbolic time chamber, then 7 years in Otherworld then we have the BotG movie with is several years after Kid Buu + add the zenkai boosts on top of that and Bills thinks he can't beat Frieza's 120 mil? Come on... we have characters who increase there PL several fold in a matter of months/years but Goku the king of rasing the bar can't reach 120 mil in his base form after a decade of training?

Also we have this:http://www.saiyanisland.com/2014/05/akira-toriyama-reveals/

Apparently Majin Buu existed since the beginning of time with messed up BotG even more because the Gods are there for the balance of the universe, how could they let Majin Buu live for so long. You'd think that the Kai's of that time have records of Majin Buu to pass on to future Kai's but no we have Supreme Kai telling us that Bibidi created Majin Buu witch was false. And where the hell are the other Gods in all of this? Aren't they all about the balance of the universe kinda stuff, Majin Buu must have destroyed countless planets perhaps even galaxies in his time but nobody botherd to jump in to stop this crazy little pink engine of destruction? Anyway Goku destroys them with ease, he can go Kaio-Ken if he really has to.

EDIT: Ohw incase people didn't know on that site that i posted you can see the Teaser of the next DBZ movie coming out in 2015.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Bills and Whis vs Omega Shenron and Super 17

Powerscaling wise DBZ gets massacred. GT is a alternative universe where Goku at base can take on SSJ3 lvl opponenets like Rildo and casually solo Super Perfect Cell and Frieza who are stronger than before whitout skipping a beat. Seriously how strong do people think SSJG is compared to Goku SSJ4? if GT Goku at base lvl is around Goku SSJ3 lvl from DBZ then that means GT Goku at SSJ3 is around 50 times stronger than his DBZ counterpart witch is huge! and i'm not even talking about SSJ4. Do people really think SSJG gives like a x100 boost? come one we don't even know for sure if SSJG is stronger than Vegito and if he is maybe its just by a little and Vegito isn't a 100 times stronger than Goku SSJ3 and here's why:

People believe that that Gotenks SSJ is around Goku SSJ3 lvl, alright lets go with that. Now add the SSJ2 and 3 transformations above that and so that makes Gotenks SSJ3 around 6 times stronger than Goku SSJ3. When Super Buu absorbed everyone his power should have increased by alot 10-15 times sounds alright. Vegito in the manga was SSJ when he beat Mystic Buu and Vegito was winning that fight quite handily but Buu made Vegito sweat a couple times more so when Buu lost his temper and tried to destroy everything. That tells me that Vegito is stronger but not to the point he can tank everything wihtout problem like Frieza vs namek warriors style. So if you add everyhing up SSJ Vegito is perhaps 50-60 times stronger than Goku SSJ3 witch would be the same as GT Goku SSJ3. Now how much stronger is SSJG compared to SSJ Vegito? Bills is strong but THAT much stronger than Vegito? no way. There are even people saying that Vegito needs to be SSJ3 in order to beat Bills, witch would make him 6 times stronger well....

We don't know how much stronger SSJ4 is for sure. What we do know is that Goku SSJ3 lost to Baby Vegeta in freaking base form and then Baby absorbed the powers from Bula, Goten, Trunks and Gohan and then munches on the energy from the entire human population and for his final act goes freaking Golden Ape witch at least gives him a x10 boost.... and Goku SSJ4 was still stronger. Sorry but imo Bills is gonna have trouble handling an SSJ4 nevermind freaking Omega Shenron, the dragon who beat the ever living crap of the entire Z cast (twice), 2 SSJ4 at the same goddamn time all the while he lost his 4 star ball, ohw and Goku SSJ4 was even juiced up in that fight, ohw en Omega tanked the Big Bang from goddamn Gogeta SSJ4, ohw and surived the suicide attack from Nuova ohw and he regen'd back from Goku's insta win HAX attack Dragon Fist. It took a super charged Spirit Bomb to put that f****r down. What did Bills do? beat the Z cast and beat an SSJG.

Bills or SSJG has shown me nothing impressive, nothing Vegito could't do. Bills beating SSJ3 Goku or Bills beating the Z cast? Gohan SSJ2 showed what a x2-3 difference in power means... so yeah Vegito is gonna have some REAL problem defeating people who are 50 times weaker than him haha. Really every single time i read treads about GT its always people voting against it, i swear right now i can make a tread about Goku SSJ4 vs Frieza and people will pick Frieza because *lol GT sucks lol Goku cut by glass* its the only thing you hear from people. Yes GT has shit logic and stupid shit but DBZ isn't a stranger to that either. So yeah i vote for the SSJ4 class super android who can absorb energy and counter teleportation and survive a SSJ4 kamikaze attack and the dragon with elemental abilities and regeneration who was defeated by an super charged spirit bomb after he got blown to hell by an HAX attack and took a beating from a almighty fusion character.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Super Janemba and Hirudegarn vs Omega Shenron

@LHWKnight: So acording to you it goes like this: Goku SSJ3>Fat Janemba>>>Omega Shenron>>>Goku SSJ4>>>Goku SSJ3>>>Goku SSJ2>>Goku SSJ?

Goku GT at base level solo'd both Cell and Frieza like it was nothing witch puts his power at SSJ2 at the very least. Also at base lvl he fought Rildo who acording to Goku is Buu lvl. Now add all the SSJ transformations on top of that and that power doesn't even come close to Omega Shenron who while depowered (lost the 4 star ball) solo'd both Vegeta and Goku SSJ4. It took an Gogeta SSJ4 to stand up against the guy.

I'm done with Animevice. To much GT hate.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11
Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gogeta SSJ4 vs Bills

Gogeta SSJ4 easily.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Mecha Frieza Vs Dr Gero

I think that Dr.Gero isn't as powerfull as Mecha Frieza not even Frieza 100% but he would quickly close that gap with his advantages. Frieza is a hothead, when he's mad or frustated he starts spamming planetary energy attacks like he did against Goku and Trunks witch is very bad against Dr.Gero who can absorb energy. Dr.Gero as an android has a very strong grip, Android 19 showed that when he held Vegeta by his arms, and while Vegeta did break free it took some effort to do so and after Dr.Gero fled he told Krillin to give him a senzu bean because apparently in that short amount of time Vegeta was weak enough that Dr.Gero could handle him if he called the bluff like Piccolo said, so if Dr.Gero manages to sneak up on Frieza and gets a hold on him like he did Piccolo than its pretty much over and i think that he can pull it of, afterall he did it against Piccolo and Frieza was tricked plenty of times in his fights.

They are also in character witch is bad for Frieza because he tends to show off and starts blasting away and doesn't take his opponents seriously. I think that Dr.Gero can win if he plays it smart. Close battle.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Bills vs SSJ4 Goku

@DBZ_universe said:

@gokugx: I have tons of respect to Goku...it is just that his GT counterparts is not good.

@taichokage said:

Still saying GT Goku no matter how crappy he may be considered outdoes his canon counterpart.

By getting cut by glass?

Canon Kid Goku took bullets to the head.

The glass didn't physically pierce him, plus the glass was there for plot reasons... to make Goku realise he could see. Second, when Eis Shenron blinded Goku, the technique cut a building at the back, but failed to cut Goku’s eyes, just blinded him, temporarily. So by Goku got cut by glass logic, i guess a piece of broken glass > Eis' attack. Third, Goku in GT got plowed through buildings, grounds, and what, a freaking metal planet? and didn’t get hurt. I guess glass> metal. It was something stupid like Goku getting hit by a rock in DBZ or Goku having trouble lifting a bus full of school childeren when Goku and Piccolo went for there driver licences, or when Goku SSJ2 had trouble breaking himself free between a mountain in his fight against Kid Buu, witch he had no problem doing the same thing when he fought against Frieza and he was at base lvl.

Broly getting beaten by a punch in the gut is considerd PIS but Goku SSJ4 getting cut by glass is legit right? The whole glass thing needs to stop.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Goku (GT) vs Super Janemba

The GT hate is incredible here. Most people agree that Gotenks SSJ=Goku SSJ3 and as we know acording to official sources an SSJ2=x2 and SSJ3=x4 so that makes Gotenks SSJ3 6 times more powerfull than Goku SSJ3 right? In DBZ if you are at least twice as powerfull as your opponent you can pretty much toy with him as Teen Gohan SSJ2 did against Cell and if you are at least ten times stronger like Frieza against Nail you can pretty much tank any hit without flinching. Goku SSJ3 being 6 times weaker explains why he shat himself against Super Buu. Goku GT base=Goku SSJ3 and SSJ1=x50...... nuff said.

You can argue all you want about Goku's pl but the fact is he told Pan and Trunks that Rildo might be stronger than Majin Buu, Goku would't have said that if there wasn't some truth to it. Now witch Majin Buu he doesn't say. Now Super Janemba imo is around Super Buu lvl and while Super Buu is alot stronger than Goku SSJ3 he is nowhere near 50 times stronger. You hate GT witch is fine but don't downplay characters just because you hate GT. People talk as if DBZ doesn't have stupid shit, heck even Akira apoligized about its many flaws. Powerscaling wise GT shits on DBZ witch is 1 of many reasons why GT sucks. Janemba only takes round 1 and gets is ass handed to him in the other rounds.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Dr Manhattan VS Janemba

@Metalslash said:

@CerusSerenade said:

@The_original_goku10000 said:

Are u guys going to debate or be idiots and circle jerk each other?

There's no point in attempting to argue with a DBZ wanker because any evidence we bring in will only be dismissed because even if you had them thrust in your face you would still say DBZ would win.

But suffice to say NOTHING in DBZ is REMOTELY close to universal power.

DBZ is much above universal. it is stated 4 times. 3 times for each of butenks and buuhan and twice for kid buu. and there is nothing to tan contradict it.

anybody who say that feat is everything is a troll. according to feats, master roshi's kamehameha(moon buster) > SS3 goku's kamehameha(busted rock).

dr manhattan is just a vehicle buster.

You're looking at it wrong. It was indeed said that characters like Buuhan could destroy the universe but you have to look at it how he destoys the universe. We see Buuhan going balistic and releases his energy to witch Dende says ''he can break through 1 dimension wall to the other and the imbalace could cause a collapse'' So Buuhan basicly destroys a dimension witch then creates a domino effect and then the universe gets destroyed. That is very different than a character having enough power to BUST a universe.

Nobody in DBZ has enough power to destroy a universe with 1 attack lets say like a Kamehameha, the best we have is people like Buuhan who uses a domino effect witch causes an imbalaance in the universe and then the universe destroys itself. Can Buuhan destroy a universe? if Dende was telling the truth then yes, can Buuhan generate an attack powerfull enough to nuke the universe? hells no. With the new DBZ movie Battle of the Gods we have Bills who is the strongest main villian of DBZ and his pwoer was stated to be at galaxy lvl. If Bills is galaxy lvl than Buuhan isn't universal.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Darkseid, Kid Buu, Black Adam Vs Thanos, Thor, Goku SS3

@Dream said:

The DBZ characters on both teams would be fodder here. Otherwise, I don't see what is stopping Darkseid from milking Omega Beams to dispatch the second team solo.

And for those arguing about Thanos' immortality he gained from Death, I don't believe it helps him survive getting wiped out from existence by the Omega Beams.

Darkseids Omega Beams isn't all that powerfull at least in the Post-Crisis, if this was Pre-Crisis then its a different story. Very powerfull characters should be able to tank it. Superman has survived the Omega's Beams more than once as did Doomsday. Green Lantern deflected it once back at Darkseids eyes and Wonder Woman has deflected it with her bracelets. Thanos should have no problem dealing with the OB as Thanos durabilty is just as good or better than Superman, after all this is a guy who takes hits from cosmics beings like Kosmos, Tyrant, Galactus, Odin, Fallen One, and lived to tell the tale.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Omega_Beams

Its just one example of the OB. The Pre-Crisis OB where something else as i remember seeing a scan of Darkseid beating The Specte with it with is pretty insane.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Darkseid, Kid Buu, Black Adam Vs Thanos, Thor, Goku SS3

If you line these guys up like Thanos vs Darkseid, Kid Buu vs Goku SSJ3, Thor vs Black Adam then there pretty evenly matched, but imo the people from team 2 would have better teamwork than team 1. I can see Goku telling Thor to team up or inform him on his enemy like he did Pikkon. Something tells me that Darkseid and Black Adam are going to have problems working with a maniac like Kid Buu who just flies in and starts blowing up planets. So imo team 2 wins due to having better teamwork but its not gonna be easy.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » goku vs silver surfer

IMO Goku can match or even beat Silver Surfer blast for blast but Surfer is much more hax than Goku. He has far more abilities than Goku like manipulating one's molecules, mind control, intangability and much more. Surfer takes this.

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Battles » Vegeta (Final Zenkai Frieza Saga) Vs. Second Form Frieza

There are no official sources for Vegeta's powerlevel at this point but imo he should be a decent amount stronger than Piccolo as Piccolo was shocked to see his powerlevel and Vegeta was unafraid to fight Frieza in his final form, something Piccolo didn't do. Also when Goku arived it was clear that he was the strongest Z Fighter there and acording to official readings his pl was 3 million when he first fought Frieza and Frieza himself was at 6 million. So i think Vegeta was around the 2 million range so he should have little problem defeating Frieza in his second form who is a little over 1 million.

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Majin Buu vs General Rilldo

^ Frieza's planetbust>>>>>>Majin Vegeta's suicide attack. Therefore Frieza>Majin Vegeta.

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Battles » Bills vs SSJ4 Goku

@axavierhansz said:

@gokugx: @niBBit said:

It’s funny how ppl say that Goku cut by glass this or Goku cut by glass that first off, i watched the clip and i didn’t see the glass physically pierce him, plus the glass was there for plot reasons... to make Goku realise he could see. Second, when Eis Shenron blinded Goku, the technique cut a building at the back, but failed to cut Goku’s eyes, just blinded him, temporarily. So by Goku got cut by glass logic, i guess a piece of broken glass > Eis' attack. Third, Goku in GT got plowed through buildings, grounds, and what, a freaking metal planet? and didn’t get hurt. I guess glass> metal. It was something stupid like Goku getting hit by a rock in DBZ or Goku having trouble lifting a bus full of school childeren, the same guy who was trapped between a mountain by Frieza and pushed himsels out, the same guy who can train in 100+ times gravity with ease. The GT hate is strong on this site.

It's funny how Superman can survive a star going supernova, but can't survive a shard of kryptonite. I guess shards of kryptonite > supernovas. It's funny how Superman can survive a telekinetic attack that literally stops his heart. I guess kryptonite > instant heart stop. It's funny how superman can literally crash himself into a planet sized object at high relativistic speeds, completely shatter the planet with kinetic energy, but die to a shard of kryptonite. It's funny how Superman has the strength to pull hundreds of planets by a chain, but dies to a shard of kryptonite. I guess shards of kryptonite has multi-planet moving power.

No. Just no. It doesn't matter if something on screen makes sense to you or not. If it's explicitly shown, you cannot question it. It makes no sense that Superman is nearly invincible in every single way, including against every band of radiation, yet is immediately incapacitated by kryptonite radiation. Heck, it makes no sense that Vegeta couldn't achieve SSJ2 after Cell killed Trunks because at the time he easily met all the requirements and had enough anger to do it, yet was able to achieve SSJ2 during the peaceful 7 year period that followed. It makes no sense that Goku could defeat Broly with some sort of exploding punch. So what? We are talking about fictional feats here. The author can write feats however he wants just because. Heck, if Toriyama explicitly shows Goku fighting his hardest against Steven Hawking and being defeated, do you just say that it never happened?. You do not EVER question events that are explicitly shown, even if it makes no sense.

You know what... you're absolutly right! screw logic right! I like this way better you know why? Everybody can win! Galactus was once taken out by a blast at planetary lvl so Frieza (base) who destroyed a planet with ease>>Galactus right? I mean sure Galactus can survive supernovas, blackholes and blasts that can nuke an entire galaxy without even flinching but that doesn't matter anymore does it? Thor getting tagged by Wolverine is also legit, no matter what we do NOT question it! like you said if it was shown we do not question it. Thor being weakend, having a bad day or whatever reason we do NOT question it! Wolverine tagged Thor so Wolverine is faster than Thor.

A senior writer at Marvel once told in an interview that Odin was omnipotent, sure Odin can't beat Galactus or a bunch of Celestials but he's omnipotent right? i mean scew using your brain right? Pray tell how do we go on about and discuss these battles? i mean we know that Thanos can tank hits from guys who can wreck planets and is fast enough to tag the Silver Surfer but on the other hand he was also taken down by much less so what do we do. On one hand i would say that Goku would get wrecked by Thanos because Thanos can survive some serious shit but on the otherhand Thanos was taken down by a city blast witch to u is also legit because it was shown and we do not question it.

Please... please tell me that i misunderstood you and that i made a fool of myself because if you seriously believe this...

Post by niBBit (664 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Bills vs SSJ4 Goku

It’s funny how ppl say that Goku cut by glass this or Goku cut by glass that first off, i watched the clip and i didn’t see the glass physically pierce him, plus the glass was there for plot reasons... to make Goku realise he could see. Second, when Eis Shenron blinded Goku, the technique cut a building at the back, but failed to cut Goku’s eyes, just blinded him, temporarily. So by Goku got cut by glass logic, i guess a piece of broken glass > Eis' attack. Third, Goku in GT got plowed through buildings, grounds, and what, a freaking metal planet? and didn’t get hurt. I guess glass> metal. It was something stupid like Goku getting hit by a rock in DBZ or Goku having trouble lifting a bus full of school childeren, the same guy who was trapped between a mountain by Frieza and pushed himsels out, the same guy who can train in 100+ times gravity with ease. The GT hate is strong on this site.

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Battles » Haze Shenran/ Ryan Shenron vs Minato Namikaze

@GIRUGAMESH said:

@nishi99 said:

Minato trolls him. Also if Goku didn't hold back he could have one shotted him. Same with Pan too since she should be at least small planet level.

'Should be', but isn't.

Baby couldn't blow up the earth with one blast in his strongest form and SSJ4 Goku was impressed when Omega nuked a city. From what we've seen, there's no way in hell that Pan could be a planet buster.

Baby didn't try to blow up the Earth he shot a blast at Satan City to prove to Goku that he didn't care about his people and he was willing to blow up the Earth so Goku did what Baby was hoping for and that was for Goku to try to tank the blast aimed for Earth in the hopes of killing him. The amount of devastation a energy attack leaves doesn't mean it wasn't powerfull. Anyone above Frieza could easily nuke an entire planet yet we have chracters like Majin Vegeta who's suicide attack against Fat Buu only left a crater, or Mecha Frieza's attack against Trunks and so on. In Marvel/DC/Valiant comics we see the same thing, characters like Odin K.O ing Silver Surfer with a energy blast the size of a small car, Thanos getting hurt by Kosmos attack that left a small crater, Sentry hurting WWH badly after a city wide explosion, various characters who can tank a planet explosion are taken out by mountain busters etc.

Marvel/DC/DBZ are full of people who are so strong that they can nuke a planet/solar system with just a basic attack. Every single fight in those universes would mean that the planet they are fighting on would be destroyed in the next 5 minutes, creating massive plotholes and other things.

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Battles » Majin Buu vs General Rilldo

@taichokage said:

I admit, as inconsistent as DBZ is, GT was somewhat worse. Logically the win should go to Rildo but there are many contradictions. He was killed by Majuub who at that point should've been stronger than Kid Buu but not so much stronger that he should fodderize Rildo. Rildo was beating Gohan pretty badly in his defense though.

I think you underestimate how strong Uub was even Super Baby Vegeta commented how strong he was. As Majuub he was able to hold his own against Super Baby Vegeta before he was turned to candy (witch he did on purpose) and Super Baby Vegeta will eat Kid Buu for breakfast. He proved that when he tossed aside Goku SSJ3 like a fly. When Rildo came back from Hell he wasn't at his strongest, his strongest form is when he absorbs the powers from the Sigma Force and then merges with planet M-2, so Majuub fodderrizing a weaker form of Rildo isn't all that weird.

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Battles » Bills vs SSJ4 Goku

I just made a tread here at Animevice in the Dragonball Forum regarding Bills/SSJG powerlvl go check it out would love to hear what you guys have to say:http://www.animevice.com/dragon-ball/10-1/is-billsssjg-really-that-much-stronger-than-the-top-dbz-guys/97-343697/#1

For me GT is alot more powerfull that anything DBZ has to offer (so far). Yes GT is stupid and inconsistent but DBZ is no stranger to that. 1 of the stupid things is Goku's powerlvl in the show... its ludicrous. When General Rildo approaches the gang, Goku made a comment about how General Rildo is perhaps even stronger than Majin Buu. He does not say witch Majin Buu but the logical choice would be Kid Buu seeing as Goku fought with Kid Buu the longest but we don't for sure. We then see Goku and Rildo go at it, being semi serious and Goku is still at his base lvl. Only when Rildo absorbs the powers from the Sigma Force and merges with the planet and becomes Metal Rildo then Goku turns SSJ and clobbers him. So if Rildo's power was indeed compared to Kid Buu than Goku at base lvl is just as strong as his SSJ3 form from DBZ. 1 of the many stupid things on the show but hey.

Now Goku is up against Baby Vegeta who begins to beat the living hell out of him with ease. Now Goku gets desperate and goes SSJ3 and we know that Goku GT (base) = Goku SSJ3 (DBZ) now add the SSJ/SSJ2 and SSJ3 multiplier to that... and Baby Vegeta still beat him. Then Baby Vegeta gets all the powers from Trunks/Bula/Gohan and Goten and transforms into his second form, Goku is shitting bricks right now. Baby then gets all the powers from the people of Earth witch isn't to be underestimated as there energy was used against Kid Buu, so now we have Super Baby Vegeta. Goku SSJ3 fights Super Baby Vegeta again and gets beaten again with ease. Only when Goku goes into his Golden Oozaru stood he some chance against Baby. Now there aren't any official info about that transformation but the populair info is that the Golden Ape is x500 seeing as how the SSJ is x50 and Oozaru is x10 and all Goku's other transformations where useless against Baby but ofcourse we don't know for sure.

Now Goku goes SSJ4 and is even stronger than Golden Oozaru. Baby pounds on him (Goku let him) and later attacks with his Revenge Death Ball witch is like a Evil Spirit Bomb and Goku didn't even flinch when it hit. Even when Baby himself went Golden Oozaru Goku was still able to keep up with him. Goku became even stronger at the Shadow Dragon Saga and he even gets the powers from the Z Fighters making him even stronger than even Syn Shenron while being blinded. Powerscaling wise GT beats DBZ anyday (imo) but i know people hate GT so they automaticly turn on the hate button in there brain and bash it so i know that here on this site anything>>>>GT but for me SSJ4 takes this.

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Dragon Ball » Is Bills/SSJG really that much stronger than the top DBZ guys?

Almost everywhere i look there are people saying how much stronger Bills/SSJG are compared to the likes of Vegito SSJ/Gogeta SSJ and personally i don't see it. I'm not saying Bills/SSJG are weak just that i don't see them as THAT much stronger than somebody like Vegito SSJ. People out there are talking like Bills/SSJG are a 1000 times stronger than Vegito witch i find hard to swallow. There are also alot of people who claim Bills was only using 1% of his power witch isn't even mentioned at all in the movie, the only thing mentioned about his power was that he used 70% when he fought SSJG. We didn't even see Bills powerup in the movie like DBZ characters do when they wanna increase their power, perhaps he can increase his power in a different way rahter than screaming for 5 minutes like the rest do but still there isn't any info at all that say he used only 1% of his power up to the point againt SSJG.

Bills beating the Z Fighters in 1-2 hits was impessive but i don't see how a serious SSJ Vegito could't do the same. You don't need to be 100 times stronger than your opponent to humiliate him like that. Look what Vegeta with a PL of 24.000 did to Dodoria who had a PL of 21.000 or what Frieza (base) did to Nail. Frieza's PL at base is 530.000 and Nail is at 42.000 and Frieza CRU SH ED Nail with ease, he let Nail attack him with everything he had and Frieza didn't even flinched and then Frieza litterly ripped his arm clean off just for the fun of it and he had 1 arm behind his back the who time, now imagine if Frieza was serious, Frieza would have ended Nail with just 1 punch and there difference in power is about x12.

If you are twice as strong as your opponent you can pretty much toy with him like Teen Gohan did with Perfect Cell, if you are 10 times stronger you can pretty much tank any attack or kill somebody with 1 punch like Frieza did.

Bills/SSJG being 100 times stronger than the top DBZ guys is to much imo. I think Bills is 2-3 times stronger than Vegito SSJ so that would be Vegito at SSJ2. So how strong do you think Bills/SSJG are?

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