Newdeath (Level 19)

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » DBZ Janemba ( Both Transformations ) VS. Hades Saint Seiya

@Yusuke52: LOL I've noticed his below-average debating skills.

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Arale Norimaki VS The Hulk

@The_original_goku10000: Hulk fighting Silver Surfer on a physical level isn't PIS, the Silver Surfer not using his speed is. That's different. It's not PIS for SS to be physically overpowered by someone who can punch through entire dimensions. SS never uses his speed and hax powers against Hulk, he usually tries to use his strength which isn't comparable to an enraged Hulk's. Again, Hulk has beaten the living hell out of Gladiator who has easily crushed entire planets with his strength.

Still no case for Arale's durability? She's not even gonna tank one of his hits.

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » DBZ Janemba ( Both Transformations ) VS. Hades Saint Seiya

@The_original_goku10000: Now you're just making stuff up. It's never been stated that ki control can protect anyone from reality warping, you're just speculating and reaching because you can't find a way to defend Janemba's weak reality warping.

He couldn't do anything to anyone with it so yes his reality warping is pathetic. If it was as powerful as you claim, Vegeta and Goku wouldn't have even existed after five seconds against him. Ki control grants immunity to reality warping? Yeah right, stop reaching, that's never been stated.

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Thor VS Goku/Vegeta/Gohan

Even regular current Thor would give them hell.

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » DBZ Janemba ( Both Transformations ) VS. Hades Saint Seiya

@The_original_goku10000: Janemba's reality warping couldn't do jack to anyone. Other than making some pathetic versions of heaven and hell look funny he has no reality warping feats to his name that are significant. If they were so powerful where were they against Goku? He should have been able to at least force Goku into his base form just by thinking if they were half as powerful as you're making them out to be. But they aren't.

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Arale Norimaki VS The Hulk

@The_original_goku10000: Looking at his best feats he stomps over Arale and you know it. If you haven't seen 60% of those scans then you haven't read comic books enough to even be debating in this thread, especially questioning Hulk's strength.

The above post shows you the scans.

Hulk having a hard time with those guys is PIS and you know it. Taking shots instead of counterarguing won't win you the debate.

Arale's durability isn't even half of Hulk's and he's still stronger than her.

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Gogeta vs Base Vegito

@niBBit: True Janemba wasn't fighting Goku and Vegeta with his full power level but neither was Buuhan when he fought them. He only really tried hard enough against Vegito, who pummeled him :P

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Gogeta vs Base Vegito

@niBBit: Looking at feats alone, Vegito stomps over Gogeta.

My previous posts had me supporting Gogeta but I've changed my mind. SSJ Gogeta has very few appearances and all he's ever really done is defeat Janemba. Janemba couldn't even dominate SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta properly, he was being harmed by them at some point but managed to overwhelm them. Now Super Buu (absorbed Gohan, Gotenks and Piccolo) was far more powerful than Janemba. Hell Super Buu on his own was stronger than Goku if not slightly weaker, with the combined power of SSJ3 Gotenks, Piccolo and Mystic Gohan (who is stronger than SSJ3 Goku) he was effortlessly toying with Goku and Vegeta in ways that Janemba couldn't. But base form Vegito was more powerful than that Super Buu and toyed with him, overpowering him without even trying.

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » DBZ Janemba ( Both Transformations ) VS. Hades Saint Seiya

@DBZ_universe said:

^^^^ at Goku when he fired the kamekame.. he made Goku fire the kamekame to him self... but actually sorry no he didn't make clone of Goku... anyways Janemba could do the same to Hades when Hades attacks him... he will make hades attack him self.

Hades would win easily. Janemba's reality warping sucks. If it was so powerful then he would have blinked Goku out of existence but he couldn't even do anything impressive against Vegeta. What the hell is he going to do to Hades?

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Arale Norimaki VS The Hulk

@The_original_goku10000: Right, because Arale has destroyed objects twice the size of the Earth and has managed to punch through dimensions. Hulk's best feats are things she could never do. Arale's feats aren't comparable to Hulk destroying Celestial armor, punching through space-time, shattering an asteroid twice the size of Earth, stopping the Juggernaut, and overpowering Onslaught who beat the living hell out of the Marvel Universe.

You know Hulk has easily overpowered people stronger than Arale right? Gladiator's crushed countless planets with his fists but got the living hell beat out of him by Hulk. The Silver Surfer who can collapse entire stars with his strength has been overpowered by Hulk. Arale doesn't have feats that compare to that. Has she ever done anything as impressive as overpowering opponents who can collapse stars by clapping? No, but the Hulk has.

One unrestrained punch from the Hulk and that's it for Arale. She doesn't even have the durability to tank his hits.

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Arale Norimaki VS The Hulk

@taichokage: @taichokage: While Arale is strong, Hulk still has better feats. Yes her feats are very comparable to his but they don't really compare to Hulk's greatest feats. He was assisted in destroying the asteroid but all they did was send him towards it, his strength was what shattered it and regardless of the assistance he received, you must consider that the asteroid was twice the size of the Earth, twice. That's insane, and if this is current Hulk who is way stronger than the Hulk that accomplished the asteroid feat, he will be a much harder opponent. Current Hulk is Worldbreaker Hulk who beat the living hell out of the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, Hulkbuster Iron Man, Hercules and many others. And considering that current Hulk is stronger than the Thor that pulled the World Serpent, I don't see Arale winning. While Hulk wins, I'm not saying it'll be easy. His greatest strength feats are still better than her's. His durability is much better than her's, I don't think a case can be made for Arale that states that she is even as durable as She-Hulk because I don't think she's ever fought anyone who is even half as strong as Hulk so we don't know if she can really tank these kinds of hits.

Also going back to both in the strength department. Like I said, Hulk was given little assistance in destroying the asteroid, he was simply propelled towards it but used his strength to destroy it. And it was twice the size of the Earth, the assistance he received won't take away anything from the feat, especially because he destroyed something twice the size of the Earth. He's also overpowered an energy field that could change the orbit of an entire planet. He's also overpowered a confident Gladiator who's effortlessly smashed multiple planets with his fists. At his strongest, Hulk has managed to overpower Onslaught's strength and even punch through dimensions by breaking the space-time continuum. He's also destroyed a device that was designed to fight against a Celestial.

Arale's durability is unfortunately not comparable to his. Hulk has withstood the Human Torch's Nova Blast without sustaining a single scratch, planet-shattering punches at the hands of Gladiator, and even energy blasts from the Silver Surfer and Galactus. Also, Arale doesn't have the accelerated healing factor that Hulk possesses. Arale's only advantage is her superior speed but that won't stop a thunderclap from Hulk.

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Magneto VS Vegeta

For those who don't know, Magneto can control the entire electromagnetic field of an entire planet, the entire electromagnetic spectrum and has once reversed the Earth's magnetic poles. He only loses here because Vegeta is too damn fast and will blitz him.

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Arale Norimaki VS The Hulk

@GrayWolf2: The World Serpent in the comic books is larger than the planet, it even coiled around it. I can post a scan if you want me to.

I don't see Arale tanking the Hulk's best hits at all. Hell not even SSJ3 Goku would be able to tank them. Especially since he will be getting stronger as the fight continues. Also he's shattered an asteroid twice the size of the Earth and has easily overpowered the likes of Gladiator who has smashed entire planets with his fists. I can post scans of all of this if you want.

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Tobi's army v. World War Hulk

@Sinister_Noob: I'm not exactly sure how he does it but he can. I'm betting his lungs are powerful enough that he can spend long extended periods of time without air in space. I can post scans if you want.

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Arale Norimaki VS The Hulk

It doesn't matter if Arale can crack a planet in half which I don't believe she can because then she'd be stronger than even SSJ3 Goku. The Hulk has shattered an asteroid twice the size of Earth not to mention he has physically overpowered the likes of Thor and Hercules, and in Thor's case, he has moved the World Serpent that was so large it could coil around the entire planet making it much larger than the planet itself. Arale also can't compare to the Hulk's durability. We've never seen her take hits from anything like energy-enhanced Mjolnir or blasts from the Silver Surfer.

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Magneto VS Vegeta

Vegeta wins. While Magneto could win just as easily, Vegeta is too fast. He'll blitz Magneto before anything can be done.

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Tobi's army v. World War Hulk

@Destinyheroknight: Even ordinary Hulk can survive in space.

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Asura (Asura's Wrath) vs Whitebeard (OP)

@ohgodwhy: Whitebeard doesn't have the physical strength to contend with Asura. I've never even seen Whitebeard move a mountain let alone compete with an opponent who destroyed a being larger than a planet and lifted a finger nearly the size of an entire continent. That is planetary-level strength. Strength that you only see in the likes of Thor and Superman.

It's more believable that Whitebeard can gradually destroy the world, he can't do it in one go. An earthquake and a tsunami combined can't even destroy a country, forget the entire world.

I don't see anyway for Whitebeard to win. He's facing an opponent with vastly superior strength and durability. Asura will emerge unscathed. And also, he becomes more powerful as he gets angrier so the longer the fight drags on, the stronger Asura becomes.

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Asura (Asura's Wrath) vs Whitebeard (OP)

@ohgodwhy: Magma punches don't compare to being pierced by a sword (that can pierce a planet and go through it's molten core) while falling all the way from the moon and effortlessly surviving atmospheric reentry and then breaking said sword's blade. Whitebeard's power is impressive but your case for him is based mostly on statements made about his power, statements that don't have feats to back them up, even Yamamoto from Bleach is said to have the power to destroy the world but we all know he can't. I've never seen Whitebeard blow up anything the size of a planet with a single strike. Asura on the other hand did and he did it to Wyzen who was much larger than the world. Hell Asura's lifting feats are way above Whitebeard's. Asura managed to lift Wyzen's finger which was nearly as big as an entire continent, you could have fit countless mountains into that single finger alone. Asura's way too much of a physical force to be stopped by Whitebeard. The guy is stronger than the Hulk. No way is Whitebeard even scratching him.

Whitebeard simply doesn't have the durability to tank Asura's planet-shattering punches. And what's even more interesting is that Asura has six arms and blow Wyzen up by punching him with one arm. One of his arms is already strong enough to shatter entire planets. But the guy has six arms. He is so durable that Whitebeard can throw as many attacks as he wants all day and Asura will be coming for more. There's really nothing stopping Asura from literally tearing Whitebeard in half, he's definitely strong enough to do so. Whitebeard's not durable enough to survive something with enough physical force to destroy a planet trying to tear him in two. And let's not forget that the angrier Asura becomes, the more powerful he becomes so during the course of the battle he'll be getting stronger than his already planet-busting self. No way is Whitebeard winning this battle.

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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Asura (Asura's Wrath) vs Whitebeard (OP)

I think Asura might be a little too strong. He was strong enough to break (with a punch) the blade of a sword that pierced through the entire Earth and he did blow Wyzen up with a punch and Wyzen was larger than the entire planet itself. I don't think Whitebeard with all his power can contend with that kind of fearsome strength. Destroying planet-sized Wyzen with a punch was one of the best strength feats I've ever seen. Not to mention that Asura was nowhere near his full power level at the time he defeated Wyzen and became much much much stronger at the end of the game so if this is a fully powered Asura, there's no way Whitebeard can win. Asura is also extremely durable having easily survived a jump from the moon and reentry atmospheric reentry while he fell into the Earth all the while being pierced by a sword sharp enough to pierce through the entire planet itself. He's also fought inside the Earth's core with no problem at all which is as hot as the Sun's surface temperature. There's no way I see Whitebeard defeating an opponent as powerful as Asura. He's simply too much.

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