Come on son, Obito with prep would defeat both ;)
He has extensive knowledge on both Nagato and Itachi. He knows about all of their abilities, he even trained Itachi at one point (I can't remember if he trained Nagato). He's an excellent strategist. He orchestrated Kurama's attack on Konoha, he manipulated most of the Akatsuki, he just did so much that I don't doubt what he can do with prep.
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He most definitely can't clear it but he'd defeat Goku. USSJ was an extremely powerful transformation. Cell himself admitted to Trunks possessing more power, he simply lacked the speed necessary to fight. With speed equalized, Trunks should be able to literally destroy everyone before he reaches Gohan, especially since morals are off. Yeah Goku's a skillful fighter but Gohan would be the one who'd defeat Trunks. Morals are off so Gohan won't be restraining himself due to his peaceful tendencies, he's more powerful than Goku and won't be holding back so he should be able to defeat Trunks. So yeah, I think Trunks will go to town on all these guys before he reaches Gohan :P
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@DBZ_universe: LMAO
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I don't know if Kishimoto just forgot about it but seriously, what the hell happened to the Byakugan? It was hyped like crazy before the Shippuden era. Because of it, Neji was supposedly the strongest Leaf genin and if I remember correctly, Kakashi (during the Chunin Exams) said that not even Sasuke could compete against Neji because of his natural genius coupled with the powers of the Byakugan. At one point, the Hyuga Clan was said to be the most powerful clan in Konoha but in Shippuden they just don't seem to be living up to all that hype. In fact, I remember once it being stated that the Sharingan is actually derived from the Byakugan. Does that mean that without counting the Rinnegan, the Byakugan is a kind of progenitor of the Sharingan? I mean, the Byakugan was put on such a high pedestal in the pre-Shippuden era then suddenly, it seems like Kishimoto lost all interest in it and focused solely on the Sharingan. It just seems like a potential for the Byakugan was lost as a result.
But what do you guys think?
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@DBZ_universe: Haha maybe, we'll see ;)
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Don't get me wrong, I love Kisame but matching up against someone that even Yamamoto didn't want learning Bankai? Come on son :P
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If Emma Frost with the same amount of the Phoenix Force was able to stomp excessively hax Thor who is far far physically stronger than anyone in DBZ, no way in hell does Kid Buu stand a chance against a Phoenix-powered Colossus, especially if he has Cyttorak's power as well.
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@MisterShin: If speed was equal, Magneto would murder him.
Magneto can manipulate the entire electromagnetic spectrum. He's powerful enough to reverse the Earth's magnetic poles. If speed was equal, there would be nothing stopping Magneto from manipulating the iron in Vegeta's blood? The brain is an electromagnetic organ, Magneto can literally kill Vegeta by manipulating it. There are so many ways for Magneto to win if speed was equal that it's ridiculous.
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@eddz99: SSJ4 Gogeta can only exist for 10 minutes, that's nowhere near enough to defeat Thor. And even then I don't think they'd be strong enough. Thor's Godblast was powerful enough to scare Galactus away, nobody in DBZ to DBGT can even compare to half of Galactus' power. With all of the hax powers that Thor possesses, it's simply ridiculous. He can transmute all of his opponents into grains of sand if he wanted or he could instantly absorb all their ki energy once the start fights. And all of those things, are things that ordinary Thor does. The Thor in this thread is hulked out which is basically Thor + the Hulk's strength and durability making him even more powerful than before.
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@eddz99: If we're considering SSJ4 Goku then perhaps, even if he doesn't have any good speed feats. SSJ3 Goku on the other is a different story.
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@eddz99: Thor would destroy Gogeta even without being hulked out. Ordinary Thor has insane energy-absorption powers. He absorbed all of the energy of a galaxy-busting bomb into Mjolnir. He moves at ridiculous FTL speeds, even blitzing SS at one point. His Godblast is insanely powerful that even some of the most powerful beings in Marvel U fear it. And then there's the matter of physical strength. Thor is far above anyone in DBZ and DBGT in terms of strength. He can also project enough energy to harm SS who can't even be scratched by a black hole.
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@eddz99: The topic was always about physical strength. Hulk is far far far stronger than Goku in physical terms. He's always far more durable.
Knowing Goku, he'll try and trade blows with Hulk and he'll be KO'd because he's never fought anyone that physically strong.
Goku isn't lightspeed.
If you wanna talk about another topic then create another thread. Don't derail this one.
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@UNIQUE69: It's fake. I can upload a picture of Superman pwning Goku too but that doesn't make it real, they're all fanmade.
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@UNIQUE69: Goku never fought Superman. And if he did, he'd lose. Superman is strong enough to hold a black hole in his hands (Goku is nowhere near this physically strong) and fast enough to escape from inside two simultaneous black holes, that is a massive FTL speed feat. Not to mention he took a supernova explosion at blank point range, sustaining no visible wounds.
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@eddz99: What the hell are you talking about? The discussion in this thread from the beginning is PHYSICAL STRENGTH. If you don't know that, do us all a favor and stop posting nonsense.
The fact is that nobody, NOBODY in DBZ or DBGT can punch with enough force to shatter asteroids twice the Earth's size. They can't use their physical strength to collapse entire stars or hold together continental plates or destroy dimensions with a thundeclap. SSJ4 Goku could barely hold up part of a city, that's so mediocre even She-Hulk can do better.
Goku can't galaxy bust, stop reaching. He's never in his whole life shown that kind of power.
There you go again, proving that you know next to nothing about Hulk. Current Hulk is World Breaker Hulk who is as smart as Bruce Banner so you thinking he is still stupid shows your ridiculous lack of knowledge. You're trying to sound like an expert in things you know nothing about.
And like I've said before, this is about Arale Vs. Hulk.
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@Supreme Marvel: Exactly, he wasn't as great as he thinks he was. Hell, his own Brazilian national team won a World Cup without him when he was sidelined after an injury against Portugal. Neymar's not even better than Van Persie let alone Messi.
I couldn't stop myself from laughing when he dribbled past Neymar.
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@Supreme Marvel: Exactly. And really, no record if safe from him, except Pele's 1000+ goals since this isn't the 60s anymore and it's not common to see 12 goals each match :P
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@taichokage: GT Goku lifting a portion of a city puts him on She-Hulk's strength level at best.
The Hulk that Sentry broke bones of is not current Hulk who is much much stronger than that Hulk.
To kill him, Arale would need to be strong enough to collapse entire stars, especially since current Hulk is World Breaker Hulk.
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