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Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Dragon Ball » Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods (Kami no Kami, Lit "God and God")

I hope the main villain will be more badass than this bunny-cat-man thing.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Buuhan CAN destroy dimensions as shown here

@Destinyheroknight said:

@SpeedForceSpider:

All popular things in all media are downplayed by someone, it not that ridiculous

When the majority agree on Goku weaker than Spiderman, I found that ridiculous(it happened here).

@Supreme Marvel said:

They say shit all the time in Dragon Ball but it never happens. Baba said if Vegeta and Goku continue the fight their energies would destroy the planet. Did this happen? NO! Just chatting shit.

Was you want to watch exploding Earth or a good story? Anyway, it sounds more like a comics critic, where the narrator speaks really a lot, without any relevance to the story and without we see that happens.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Thanos vs Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

^ This thread. Doesn't matter how many times and how simple you explain, a certain user will repeat the same bullsh1t eventually.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Thanos vs Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

You still don't get it. They warping reality with will power. My logic fails? You ignoring that Thanos is a virus. >.<"

"if it is not relevant , not even what you are posting is ." And it's because.... you believe it. Ok, you totally convinced me.

"if they were in their own created universe capable to escape with will power ,that means Anti Spiral is not good at Telepathy." Or good, and they was just better. You try again to underestimate the series you don't like and ascend into the heavens the series you like.

Oh, and: "if that's your best argument , i must say" That's not my argument, that's why I quoted it. It's from a TTGL site.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Thanos vs Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

@SilverGalford said:

as for the virus , i don't care i'm not even a biologist expert , does it really matter? we can play the same game , i can use different things as examples like you : a small bullet in your head is enough to kill you , an very poisonous small spider can do the same . and look who is talking about physics, ask a physicist if a galaxy is like the size of a planet , it would be funny to see how he laughs at that pathetic statement of the creator, of course after he watches the whole video.

as for DBZ and this thread , i think it is done , i cannot believe Vegeta can resist a powerful mindraping (considering how weak babidi is ) . human will power cannot be compared to powerful telepathy . if powerful telepaths who have trained for a very long time with a lot of will power can do nothing to thanos , non telepaths without that training with low will power are going to stop them? are you kidding?. this should be possible with a good plot .

now as for speculation , you can speculate and state on something that cannot exist or impossible to do ,it's like me saying Goku can beat the Spectre , that's an speculation but it's impossible ,now you can speculate on something based on proofs ,feats, etc ,at least something close to that ,e.g Silver Sufer beats Vegeta ,that's more credible than the first speculation . i can come to that conclusion because of Silver Sufer feats . now you say it is a contradiction no matter if there are feats or not , since you are speculating , aren't you contradicting yourself? i haven't said a speculation was contradictory.

you are making things up , humans with will power saw the battle (there isn't even a good feat about that or something remotely close to believe this , by this logic i mean your logic , Goku will power can overcome the power of the Presence ,omg ) ,can resist powerful mindraping (despite the fact they didn't do it by themselves which is something you are omitting) and finally bring that biology issue to the table like if it were the only example of a small thing killing a big thing . you are creating this stupidness , if i don't fully understand biology that doesn't have anything to do with this thread . and it doesn't mean i'm stupid cause the only thing i can do is just to read a book and that's it ,everyone can do that it's not that hard. but this battle thread has nothing to do with this .

i'm not even just stating, i'm even showing you feats . battle threads are like that . if NOTHING couldn't be proven because there isn't an official battle, then you cannot even say who wins on every battle thread that easy. that would be impossible and battle threads wouldn't exist like this one .

finally have a nice day , i'm done with this , if you think you won i don't care . feats prove otherwise.

I don't mind if you not good at biology, but you stated a virus can beat a man, then I explained why not, then you told I must be kidding. This is both a debating and personality fault. At least use the google if you not sure in something. A bullet is much bigger and faster than a virus, also it usually don't work on robots...

You cannot believe Vegeta can resist? That's not my fault. I know you don't like them, but those happened what I mentioned, and you can't refute it. Badibi is a wizard or what, and pretty dangerous, but I won't write about that here.

About willpower and physics:

All problems, no matter how inconceivably large, can be solved by wishing really, really hard. Through sheer willpower and making constipated faces, you can:
annihilate an entire race of furries
repair and maintain giant robots from a vastly superior civilization in middle of an endless wasteland
advance from a race of illiterate, cave-dwelling people to futuristic levels of technology in 7 years
break every law of practical and theoretical physics
breath in space and underground
instantaneously evolve from a rat to a human
kill God

It's a little different from our willpower when we hungry.

What I told is speculation>contradiction. What you told is feats>speculation. You maybe right, but it's irrelevant in this subject.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Thanos vs Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

"and what about AIDS ? it doesn't kill people? you got to be kidding me."

What you read/understand: "No" What I wrote: Basic biology. The virus attack one cell, "overwrite" it to its dns and the cell "blowing up", the viruses go and infect another DNSs. It spreading throughout your body. I can't explain it with the specific names, but in nutshell, you see, not a single virus kill people. Anyway the AIDS is the sickness, caused by the HIV virus.

"human will power is not going to stop someone who is an expert telepath , that means nothing to Thanos" Where the f.ck do you know? You just replying the same things again and again, didn't even think on what the others/me said. You can't know but it doesn't matter because the mass and speed is the important aspect here.

"and that's why it's option B , option A is not even a good one. there isn't any part of the video where it says they were using human will power to see the fight . that's just your mere speculation." I forgot to say in my previous post, but unless you know something to suppose it wasn't willpower then it was willpower, because speculation>contradiction.

"and since there There isn't a regular measure for telepathy, how can you know the crew will resist Thanos mindraping" THAT'S WHAT I SAY! We don't know, they maybe could resist maybe couldn't. But you can't prove either of it, because they won't ever fight officially.

"LOL! now this sum ups everything" That sum up again you s.cks at DBZ knowledge and you are a bad debater. Exacly, you should stop it because this stupidness level is immeasurable too, you think fully confidently, a single virus can beat a man.... It's time to stop it and educate yourself from basic biology, physics.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Thanos vs Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

"a POWERFUL virus cannot killed people? it can kill you too." Lol, hell no. Basic biology. The virus attack one cell, "overwrite" it to its dns and the cell "blowing up", the viruses go and infect another DNSs. It spreading throughout your body. I can't explain it with the specific names, but in nutshell, you see, not a single virus kill people.

"no , reality warpers can make a Galaxy look orange sized. you misunderstood me." Ok. So what stop them from being bigger than the galaxy?

"i haven't agreed with you , and i'm not debating badly. people just think it's so easy to kill thanos with will power" I am not a TTGL expert, so I don't know a lot of things about their willpower. I say it's easy to kill him with that speed and mass. And their willpower would protect them for that 1-2 second if Thanos could reach them while TTGL would kill him with one slap.

"clearly it's option B,and since it's not realistic ,we can say now they are NON realistic galaxy sized because those mechas weren't really galaxy sized. if TTGL were in Marvel Universe or Dc Universe ,it would be a tiny robot." The size are the same as they stated. I really don't want to repeat all the things that others said. Your argument was that why could mere humans see their fight. And that's why I wrote those 2 opinions.

"and the crew OUTSIDE TTGL universe has chance to resist a good minraping from powerful Marvel characters ?" Has chance, but we don't know. Same to Thanos. Could he resist to anything outside marvel without the defend of writers/plot?:) I know you will say yes but you can't know. There isn't a regular measure for telepathy, nowhere.

" i have seen people stating Vegeta could resist a powerful mindraping because of that lol." Yes, there is a high chance for that. There was telepathy user in DB too, and that wasn't working on a stronger fighter. Power=ki, higher ki=higher resistance.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Thanos vs Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

@SilverGalford said:

What orange? In their hands?

what part of reality warpers you didn't understand?. some characters can even grow at that size.

"A" answer: Willpower or such. "B" It's a show and there aren't exist fully realist shows. You have to accept it, the Marvel and DC are full of wtoo whom shouldn't can see each other.

oh thanks now you have made a good point , will power . so if Vegito was able to resist magical transmutation , he will resist the magical transmutation of the Spectre. so you are telling me if the crew were able to resist "mind raping" , they will resist the mind raping of powerful characters like Spectre ,Eternity ,Galactus and so on?,

and how come mere Humans with will power could watch that fight? you are even giving me options . i think that can't help your case.

Thanos mindraping is not that weak and doesn't even need to touch the target to do it :

as for teleportation

he can even see SF from light years , the crew won't escape .

."size doesn't matter" - You use this in the wrong situation. TTGL isn't just bigger, he is smaller than a bacterium compared to man. The difference is heaven and hell...

it doesn't matter when the small character is so powerful. i said this cause some people believe TTGL is galaxy sized.

Deja Vu... I have a feeling I read this before, like ten times.

cause that really happened . even Superman has shown some good will power against magic users who can transmutate , but that doesn't mean he can resist the magical transmutation of someone like Mr MXY , or Lucifer Morningstar . when the crew can resist mind raping by themselves , then they may still have a chance.

What are you talking about? Reality warpers grown orange sized?

You write I made a good point, then you bring up an another thing. I don't know you have agreed with me or just debating badly.

I got that there are different levels of mind-manipulating. But you can't say thanos would mindrape them because he a high-leveled mindraper in marvel universe. There isn't a measure to compare. There isn't anything to see and compare. Just different levels, in their universe. If he did more impressive things to you then you can believe he could win, but it won't be proven.

" it doesn't matter when the small character is so powerful." - So you admit a powerful virus could beat you?

" Thanos mindraping is not that weak and doesn't even need to touch the target to do it ": - He can't reach a galaxy distance. At least I read that.

" you are even giving me options . i think that can't help your case." I think that won't help your case if you just think on something and write that you don't agree. Those options are simple, if you don't understand then that's your fail.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Thanos vs Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

"5. Or just because it's a show. The comics and mangas are full of MFTL beings, and he have just realized it "oh wait, then how can they see it?".

yeah and that's why a galaxy can be like the size of a orange , that's pretty stupid if you ask me" What orange? In their hands? Point of view... I wrote that quote for how could the Earthlings watch them. "A" answer: Willpower or such. "B" It's a show and there aren't exist fully realist shows. You have to accept it, the Marvel and DC are full of MFTL beings too whom shouldn't can see each other.

"teleport + mindrape = end of the pilot. they didn't resist it by themselves , someone helped them." Deja Vu... I have a feeling I read this before, like ten times.

"size doesn't matter" - You use this in the wrong situation. TTGL isn't just bigger, he is smaller than a bacterium compared to man. The difference is heaven and hell...

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Zeus vs Lord Barragan vs hulk

@Fehafare said:

@shakyric_lawson:

1. Hollow got owned by a lamp post which means they are not intagible in any shape or form.

2. They are non physical spectral being that are untouchable by humans and Hulk hugs them.

3. That "nuke" that he survived is cityblock to multi-cityblock level at best while Hulk on the other hand spams city buster+ attacks with ease.

4. Hulk is immortal and has retarded amount of regeneration, he ain't aging anything.

5. I doubt that he could age air vibrations and even if we assume that he can (and there is also the fact that said vibrations travel way faster than he could ever hope to react), saying that he can do it with an attack of any magnitude is a NLF unless he has aged anything on city level don't assume he can (that's ignoring Hulk's planet level strength), there's a reason Starrk is above him.

It's not so much about evidence as it is about your opinion, people laugh when someone try to bring up "lolBleachintagbility" and even suggesting that they can take on a planet level strength character is unacceptable.

And that's why you didn't even read my posts... Hulk has 0% chance. *facepalm*

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Broly Vs. Thor

@shakyric_lawson: Ah, I see it's really easy this way. You didn't write any relevant to my previous post just write a new post why you think Thor wins. It's not a refute.

1"I'm using nonsense metaphors, yet you're the one having to change "fallen under saiyan attack", to "destroyed"... PLEASE!!!" - Please what? It's a totally average expression, used in multiple languages, FACT. And all your counter-argument is "PLEASE". I can't tell you more precise answer because I s.cks at literature, but you could understand if you would. This metaphor for dramatic opening speak, instead of the short "the galaxy destoyed" line. What you think is even implying visual metaphor. Which is unnecessary, when they confirmed what we saw. Have you heard of Occam's razor?

2"broly has never demonstrated that level of power" - Logical fallacy. Circular logic. Broly destroyed a galaxy. And you said no, because he never /demonstrated that level of power/=Destroying galaxy.

3 " Even Kid Buu was stated to have only destroyed hundreds of planets in a few years" - He was under Bidibi control, he was killing the Kaioshins and other civilizations.

4 "strongly implies that the destruction of the galaxy is taking place over a period of time." - Yes, that would have been matter of time when he goes mad again. Simple fact again, someone who did bad thing, there is a hight chance he will do it again. If your friend honestly tell you that your girlfriend cheated on you, what will you do? a. Think that was an 'accident' and she won't do it again. b. Speak with her(or break) because she 'lost your trust' so at that moment you think she will do it again. Of course it's not the same thing, but I hope you can understand.

5 "All I know is that he's SOMEWHERE in the South Galaxy" "somewhere" also implies that there a galaxy still there" No, Broly is there. You know that Goku is IT with ki sense, right? Also 75 trillion star. If some remained, that's still there in the south galaxy's place. Otherwise we are reaching to this question, again: What did we see in the opening? There was a galaxy, then a black something spreading through, so he still should have traveling with MFTL for more than 10 years destroying or killing civilizations on millions of planet/day.

6 "Even if Broly destroyed the galaxy, WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN!!!" That mean you should accept that Broly can destroy a galaxy. And I would be happy for see an another man who can accept if he was wrong. The Thor is an another case, I can be convinced, and I know others won't be convinced, so I don't fully care, but this is too simple and obvious, so I don't like if some try to state that he planet buster at max.

7 "Hulk don't have superspeed and didn't destroyed planet with their fist-fight. If Thor cannot speedblitz and dodge every move of Hulk, how someone could think he can dodge Broly's punch? And if he felt Hulk's regular punches(he felt), how can you think he won't feel Broly's punches?

LOL, you're kidding wright. In terms of strength, even Hulk RAPES Broly. The guy destroyed an asteroid 2X THE SIZE OF EARTH. 2 TIMES!!! When has Broly ever held up a 150 BILLION TON mountain. HAHAHA, SSJ4 Goku had trouble holding up a BUILDING, and he's waaaaaaaay stronger than Broly. LOL, i'd be GLAD to say I survived, let alone casually tanked punches from Hulk, HAHAHAHA...." You miss the main point. Hulk is slow. Hulk is Thor's rival. They aren't doing any big damage to the planet with their regular fist fight-> Every punch is far under planet destroying. And Broly destroyed a galaxy. Freeza destroyed a planet what has 10x mass of Earth while he LOL'd. Do I supposed to be impressed with that asteroid thing? And he was thrown into that asteroid. GT is non-canon but nuff say about that here. What's next, will you bring up the Goku 40ton thing?

"He can nab punches, but Thor wouldn't even flinch." In your head. I don't want to be rude, but this is the sigh of fanboyism. What if I told you, Thor is not unbeatable, he feel pain, he can get injured, and not only by your other favorite characters.

". Keep in mind, he swings and throws MASSIVELY FTL" I keeping it. Too bad that doesn't matter if his body couldn't react in that speed level, so he will be punched like a statue.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Zeus vs Lord Barragan vs hulk

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

@mypasswordis1234 said:

@PrinceAragorn1: Why win?

Hasn't he already smashed hulk badly?

Physical strength is non-factor here...

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Zeus vs Lord Barragan vs hulk

@PrinceAragorn1: Why win?

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Broly Vs. Thor

@shakyric_lawson: Easy? I look forward, I am curious. Goodnight.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Broly Vs. Thor

@shakyric_lawson said:

@mypasswordis1234:

This is a feat that was... somehow left out before in my previous comment.

STRENGTH

First strength... Thor lifts a being said to be as heavy as or heavier than the planet...

Anyway, as for your question... I think the animators showed either, the literal destruction over a long period of time, or made the darkness analogous to the saiyans(Broly) to depict the darkness and evil spreading throughout the galaxy.

Anyway, if you actually believe that Broly destroyed the galaxy or even a large part of it, I don't mean to sound rude but, you're just flat out wrong. The original Japanese dub makes no mention of the entire galaxy being destroyed. Translation errors are quite common in DBZ... Raditz being faster than light is an example of another dub error...

The fact is, not only did Goku travel throughout the galaxy in search of Broly, but you can very plainly and clearly see other stars and planets in this galaxy through the movie. In the japanese dub, they're not telling us that the galaxy was destroyed throughout the movie. They only emphasize the destruction and terror that he's caused... King Kai was bothered because he thought that his galaxy would be invaded next. In the Japanese dub, nothing is ever said about Broly or any super saiyans destroying entire galaxies. This HUGE misunderstanding is all thanks to the carelessness of the translators, unfortunately.

BTW, even IF (completely hypothetical and in no way acknowledging that Broly even came close to destroying the galaxy) Broly destroyed a galaxy, that would do NOTHING to help him against Thor and his hammer. He would just absorb the energy and send it back a hundredfold.

Also, don't underestimate Thor's speed. While I didn't post his speed feats, he does have some impressive combat speed. Unfortunately we're left with generic feats like,

"easily catching someone faster than the wind" and " his speed is incomprehensible"...

However, we know for a fact that thor can move his hammer FTL, as not only did he throw it to the farthest parts of the galaxy, only for it to return in no more than 60 seconds, but he has spun his hammer "faster than the speed of thought"... which is MASSIVELY faster than light if I remember correctly.

Either way, with his hammer and unrivaled feats of strength and endurance, he hardly needs to worry about anything, anyone in the DBZ can throw at him. If he hits any of them one good time with his hammer, yes even Broly, its completely over. This doesn't even begin to include his reality warping abilities.

... Hopefully you can clearly see why I think Thor wins, I'm not playing favorites... merely examining the evidence. Broly MIGHT have speed on Thor (being generous here, although in space, Thor is easily FTL thanks to his hammer) but that doesn't even begin to make up for his other shortcomings. There's really nothing Broly can do to hurt Thor.

Don't bring me up examples from the english dub. I hate that dub, they entirely screwed it so much, it's make parody from the dbz more than the dbz abridged. So I never watched it, you can't say me I misunderstood it because I didn't watched the original dub.

I don't believe that Broly destroyed a galaxy. There are speculations with dbz I can only believe because they lack of "labeled" feats, but it's showed clearly, I just "believe" to my eyes and their sentences. The darkness was indeed spreading through the galaxy, as the light sources(stars) being destroyed. Don't know what else do you can think. You use unnecessary nonsense metaphors, but cannot figured out his more simple poetic expression? "fallen under saiyan attack" means destroyed. As "fallen in war" means the soldier killed in war, in other languages too.

That explanation is pretty improbably too you think Kaio suddenly got the idea after Broly attacked a lot of planets "omg, my galaxy will be attacked too" and then he scared.... What would be the big deal about that? There is the Z fighters. He was afraid from the destruction. The writers and animators did this with the intent to show a galaxy destroyed. No matter how you twist the things out.

Even if he went from planet to planet -which is bullsh1t as we see the darkness spreading out from the center- for 20 years, he would have needed to destroy millions and billions of planets and stars on every day... 1 galaxy is 1/4 of our universe in the DBZ world, officially.

About Thor. I don't underestimate him, the writers did. As once someone expressed "he was always a pain in his a.s". Hulk don't have superspeed and didn't destroyed planet with their fist-fight. If Thor cannot speedblitz and dodge every move of Hulk, how someone could think he can dodge Broly's punch? And if he felt Hulk's regular punches(he felt), how can you think he won't feel Broly's punches? He wouldn't have time to swing his hammer or anything. The same reason I think also Superman could solo Thor and Hulk at once too. Don't need to debate on strength, durability and other ability feats when the "enemy" is a speedster and very strong too. Either short battle or long, the slower can't win without a miracle or PIS.

Thor has good travel speed, but that's irrelevant in a fight.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Broly Vs. Thor

@shakyric_lawson said:

@MisterShin:

WRONG!!!

Watch the original Japanese version. It clearly says something else. I have the quote here, and you can watch it on youtube.

Narrator: " The Southern Galaxy has fallen under a Super Saiyan attack"

*** Galaxy disappears in background ***

King Kai: " T- Then, the South Galaxy really is being..."

There's your galaxy destroying feat, LOL. As you can see, nothing even close to a galaxy was ever destroyed in DBZ...

This video also explains in GREAT detail why you're wrong....

Here we go again... Others posted that vid too... The vid based on a simple metaphor what he doesn't understand. Before I say anything further, would you share YOUR thought about what did the animators shown in the opening, why Kaio was becoming so bothered suddenly, why are they telling that the galaxy destroyed on other occasions in the movie? Without any subtitle or dub I could understand that the galaxy destroyed, a god-kind dude don't happy with that, he warned the strong guys they will have a fight, and later they realized Broly is that certain person.

For your another reply: Thor is slow, he doesn't have any impressive combat speed, not comparable to the DB/DBZ fighters.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Hollow Ichigo vs Zaraki Kenpachi

@solesamurai said:

@mypasswordis1234 said:

@solesamurai said:

@DBZ_universe said:

@PrinceAragorn1: How is Nnoitra weaker than Grimmjow? Nnoitra would destroy Grimmjow. And tje battle could had lasted 1 minute but like always, Kenpachi loves to drag a fight... same with the Ichigo one... he could had one shoted Ichigo... killed him and becoming the main character with ease... but it was all plot work so Ichigo to beat Kenpachi.

Ichigo needs PIS/CIS to beat Kenpachi cause he can't.

Nothing was ever stated that Kenpachi likes to drag out fights with people he easily defeat, in fact the exact opposite has been stated and practiced. Kenpachi takes 0 interest in those he feels are weaker than him, He doesn't hold back on those he feels he could have fun with. Him taking off his eye patch is essentially him saying "funs over die now" Nnoitra and ichigo were both able to fight him when he had taken his patch off, Ichigo coming out the victor(albeit I consider it a stalemate) and Nnoitra dying a death he felt was the only true way to die, with your hand on your sword fighting to your last breath. If what you said was even remotely true, Giriko wouldn't have been 1 shotted by Kenpachi and Ichigo and Nnoitra would have had a much easier time fighting Kenpachi. I seriously doubt any person(even Kenpachi) would Intentionally hold back on someone they know full well is probably going to kill them. Your theory doesn't even make sense and was never practiced.

Noitora wanted to kill Kenpachi and he knew that, but he said that he let him keep one arm to be able to continue the fight... Because he enjoyed it. Giriko was weak, and that's boring to Kenpachi.

That was my point, The guy was saying Kenpachi could easily 1 shot every person he's ever fought(essentially saying everyone he's fought is so much weaker than him he takes pity upon them and allows them to hit him), but since he likes to drag out his fights that's the only reason Nnoitra was able to wound him so severely Which I wanted to debunk is fanwank and utterly untrue, Giving the fact that Giriko who was obviously much weaker than him, Kenpachi didn't even bother with. I was trying to say, if Nnoitra and Ichigo were really that weak, he would have killed them on the spot like he did Giriko.

He literally could one shot Ichigo in their first fight. Kenpachi just indirectly gave him motivation, advice... similar to Gin. Because he saw potential in him, or whatever. Giriko was just weak, like Tesla. Noitora and Kenpachi both hold back a lot.... these fight not about realistic, but epicness and plot.

@solesamurai said:

@mypasswordis1234 said:

@solesamurai said:

After reading throughout this thread I have debunked Most people who say kenny wins have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Ichigo with Bankai would a sufficient opponent for Kenpachi. The only reason ichigo had even a sliver of difficulty with Grimmjow is the fact that he feared his own power and couldn't capitalize on his full potential which was explained by Aizen when they fought and explained again by Gin. Which is also why Ichigo didn't want to use his hollow mask anymore after he beat Ulquiorra, He didn't want to fight at full potential anymore because he was afraid of his hollow taking over again possibly hurting his friends. Ichigo does actually have power that directly relates to his spiritual energy, he was just so shaken and afraid of himself(his hollow)that he essentially nerfed himself. Think about it, Ichigo's best speed feats are from when he fought byakuya, he never once showed he was that fast again until his final battle with Aizen. Gin even told Ichigo to leave if he was so afraid of his own power! His Hollow even stated(IIRC) Him ichigo are exactly the same, His desires are Ichigo's and his power is ichigo's, this way ichigo essentially has a second him inside that he can tap into for power, It's been proven multiple times Hollow Mask Ichigo is slightly > SS arc Bankai ichigo >>> Hueco Mundo arc Bankai Ichigo. If ichigo hadn't been essentially "Retconned" By Kubo he probably wouldn't have even needed H2 to beat Ulquiorra, Grimmjow would have been clearly outmatched by his Bankai and Nnoitra wouldn't be enough to make him Use his Mask. NOT TO MENTION THIS IS H2 ICHIGO WHO BEASTED ON ULQUIORRA HOW DOES ANYONE THINK KENPACHI BEATS HIM, HE BARELY DEFEATED NNOITRA WHO WOULD GET ROLFSPERDUPERSPITECURBSTOMPED BY ULQUIORRA! >____>

I honestly forgot that fear his own power thing, but we are( or at least I) jugding by the feats, that's irrelevant why he had that much power. The question is that could Ichigo beat Kenpachi on that hollow level or not. If Kenpachi and Ichigo were fighting again, then Ichigo would have still feared from his own power.... or got a boost again. You didn't say anything about that. I could say that too "if Kenpachi wouldn't hold back and could perfectly use both arm, then one kenpo slice and done" but that's not "in character".

I completely agree I was mostly responding to the people stating Ichigo would lose because he was basically outmatched, without fear of himself, he'd win for sure. But with that "retcon" as I like to call it it makes it much harder to debate for him, but that isn't the case since this is Hollow Ichigo not Ichigo in control of his own power.

Not for sure. He caused a lot of wound to Kenpachi before he take off the eyepatch. Then his zanpakto gave to Ichigo his ALL power. And still Kenpachi was the last man standing. So the question, is how big was that boost? Full hollow form - Ichigo KO, the hollow him(from zanpakto) fight. When he was boosted, Ichigo KO(or almost killed), Zangetsu, from zanpakuto gave his all power. So what is the difference, what do you think?

@solesamurai said:

@SpeedForceSpider said:

Kenpachi is pretty overrated tbh.

Very overated, it's a shame too, because even without all the wank he's a pretty strong guy, He doesn't need any made up feats people give him to make him look good. It's like Dragon Ball z battles where people start posting about Galaxy busting without a sliver of an idea how much more large a galaxy is versus a solar system(There can be anywhere from tens to millions of solar systems in 1 galaxy, in the milky way alone we have 300 billion stars with only around 200-300+ having planets) and how big a solar system can be compared to a a planet.

Kenpachi created by the intend to be a badass, and he is. It's not strange some people overrating him, like Kenpachi bankai=end of the world.

About galaxy busting, it's not speculation, when Broly destroyed one much bigger than our galaxy.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Hollow Ichigo vs Zaraki Kenpachi

@solesamurai said:

@DBZ_universe said:

@PrinceAragorn1: How is Nnoitra weaker than Grimmjow? Nnoitra would destroy Grimmjow. And tje battle could had lasted 1 minute but like always, Kenpachi loves to drag a fight... same with the Ichigo one... he could had one shoted Ichigo... killed him and becoming the main character with ease... but it was all plot work so Ichigo to beat Kenpachi.

Ichigo needs PIS/CIS to beat Kenpachi cause he can't.

Nothing was ever stated that Kenpachi likes to drag out fights with people he easily defeat, in fact the exact opposite has been stated and practiced. Kenpachi takes 0 interest in those he feels are weaker than him, He doesn't hold back on those he feels he could have fun with. Him taking off his eye patch is essentially him saying "funs over die now" Nnoitra and ichigo were both able to fight him when he had taken his patch off, Ichigo coming out the victor(albeit I consider it a stalemate) and Nnoitra dying a death he felt was the only true way to die, with your hand on your sword fighting to your last breath. If what you said was even remotely true, Giriko wouldn't have been 1 shotted by Kenpachi and Ichigo and Nnoitra would have had a much easier time fighting Kenpachi. I seriously doubt any person(even Kenpachi) would Intentionally hold back on someone they know full well is probably going to kill them. Your theory doesn't even make sense and was never practiced.

Noitora wanted to kill Kenpachi and he knew that, but he said that he let him keep one arm to be able to continue the fight... Because he enjoyed it. Giriko was weak, and that's boring to Kenpachi.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Hollow Ichigo vs Zaraki Kenpachi

@solesamurai said:

After reading throughout this thread I have debunked Most people who say kenny wins have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Ichigo with Bankai would a sufficient opponent for Kenpachi. The only reason ichigo had even a sliver of difficulty with Grimmjow is the fact that he feared his own power and couldn't capitalize on his full potential which was explained by Aizen when they fought and explained again by Gin. Which is also why Ichigo didn't want to use his hollow mask anymore after he beat Ulquiorra, He didn't want to fight at full potential anymore because he was afraid of his hollow taking over again possibly hurting his friends. Ichigo does actually have power that directly relates to his spiritual energy, he was just so shaken and afraid of himself(his hollow)that he essentially nerfed himself. Think about it, Ichigo's best speed feats are from when he fought byakuya, he never once showed he was that fast again until his final battle with Aizen. Gin even told Ichigo to leave if he was so afraid of his own power! His Hollow even stated(IIRC) Him ichigo are exactly the same, His desires are Ichigo's and his power is ichigo's, this way ichigo essentially has a second him inside that he can tap into for power, It's been proven multiple times Hollow Mask Ichigo is slightly > SS arc Bankai ichigo >>> Hueco Mundo arc Bankai Ichigo. If ichigo hadn't been essentially "Retconned" By Kubo he probably wouldn't have even needed H2 to beat Ulquiorra, Grimmjow would have been clearly outmatched by his Bankai and Nnoitra wouldn't be enough to make him Use his Mask. NOT TO MENTION THIS IS H2 ICHIGO WHO BEASTED ON ULQUIORRA HOW DOES ANYONE THINK KENPACHI BEATS HIM, HE BARELY DEFEATED NNOITRA WHO WOULD GET ROLFSPERDUPERSPITECURBSTOMPED BY ULQUIORRA! >____>

I honestly forgot that fear his own power thing, but we are( or at least I) jugding by the feats, that's irrelevant why he had that much power. The question is that could Ichigo beat Kenpachi on that hollow level or not. If Kenpachi and Ichigo were fighting again, then Ichigo would have still feared from his own power.... or got a boost again. You didn't say anything about that. I could say that too "if Kenpachi wouldn't hold back and could perfectly use both arm, then one kenpo slice and done" but that's not "in character".

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Thanos vs Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

@Kuro_San said:

@SilverGalford:

1. You keep calling it robot but to be fair is a Construct made of Spiral Energy.

2. Being unable to die doesnt makes it unable to suffer a crushing defeat and suffer pain, a lot of pain I might add

3. We have been over the Mindrape bit, The TTGL pilots have superhuman Resolution and Willpower, the TTGL itself is a manifestation about it, I dont think Thanos could Mind rape them, he may even be out of range.

4. If the creators said such and specific Number I think that they meant it, they said a specific number rather than saying Galaxy size o anything like that. You should respect the Word of God rather to try to find loopholes in the art style

5. The Fight may been visible since the Han-rasen wanted everybody to see how they failed, like the Beastmen did.

6. The TTGL is as big as the creators says is it. I could start saying, Thanos is 1 mt tall, and cover my eyes or block the screen every time you write the official height given my Marvel (if he haves one) and ignore you, and it may be the same thing you are doing now...

So please stop discussing when you cannot win and give in...

5. Or just because it's a show. The comics and mangas are full of MFTL beings, and he have just realized it "oh wait, then how can they see it?".

Alien guy meme's answer: "fictional characters...."

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