@MrASSH0LE: Are you deliberately being hard headed, or did I not explain this simply enough? (Sorry if that is a bit rude, I just dont enjoy having to reapeat something more than once)
Tobi w/ Sharingan and Rinnegan no Six Paths
That CLEARLY means that he does not have the 6 bodys he used to host his 6 paths, since the Rinnegan itself allows the use of the 6 paths why then would he give him the rinnegan and then say "Oh but he cant use it". Its not that hard to understand, and once again why he will never use the Biju Dama against Father.
I have shown you 2 sources demonstrating what is the 6 paths yet you keep on ignoring you are the one being hard-headed.You haven't done anything to refute them.Plus given the fact that the rinnegan allows control of the bodies I could just as easily say that this is another case of he has the rinnegan "Oh but he can't use it".
Either refute it or concede the point .
You're saying the guy with the hypersonic reaction time will be impaled that way?
When last I checked the Sharingan can only track movements of what it can see, and Father can transmute without moving at ALL. Besides Tobi will not be looking at the ground if his opponent is right in front of him now is he? Hence why he will be stabbed in the chest by the earth beneath him. If you would rather, he could transmute his mask to impale his face instead?
You're saying a spike moving to impale Tobi wouldn't move?Because that's the only way your plan works and I have already explained to you why Tobi is faster then Father he could keep up with Yondaime the fastest character in the series and could react Gai's kick showing his reaction time.
I am not sure but wouldn't that require him to know what the mask is? And the closest to transmuting an enemy Father did was when Scar tried to deconstruct him and he replied in similar fashion.... oh wait Scar a super human with supersonic reaction AVOIDED it and there was the time where he tried to turn Ed and the other in to stones but that still required them being at close range.
Finally, you have conceded the fact that Tobi is the fastest of the two hence if anybody 's going to get hit with an attack first it's Father , he's the one who realistically couldn't keep up.Yet you keep saying Tobi's gonna get caught in Father's attacks.
The Shinra tensei as we know levels cities and the chibaku tensei levels surpasses mountains in size.
And with prep Father came close to destroying a country... whats your point. I already said that if he trys to use either he will transmuted, given the length of time it takes to use Chibaku Tensei he will be dead before it takes effect. His only viable attack is Shinra Tensei (And he has not even used it yet), given that it is the strongest attack he can use currently. And once again he has to become Tangible to use it, which would once again let Father transmute him. Besides A Shinra Tensei on Town scale would leave him weak and unable to use it which would put him at an even bigger disadvantage
He goes to use Chibaku Tensei, suddenly he has been transmuted into a statue. He trys to Shinra Tensei, suddenly he has been turned into a chair. As for his speed, it wont matter since any direct contact with Father would lead to his deconstruction, and Fathers attacks would not need travel time so they would be almost impossible to avoid unless you knew they were coming.
Now you're the one I am suspecting of will-full ignorance.You know darn well that he came close to destroying this country with years of preparation and that the OP doesn't even give anyone preparation.Father has also only displayed the ability to transmute close objects ,your theory relies on Tobi going for close combat which he won't do with knowledge(as granted by the OP) he would know to stay away from him either by using teleportation then use Shinra Tensei or Chbaku tensei.Even if hypothetically I believed that would happen Tobi is again faster and would be able to warp Father or use the Hungry Ghost or the Human path before he transmuted him.
What do you mean by the shinra tensei in town scale leaving him weak? Tobi only has to fire it once and Father loses due to the fact that he has never been shown to tank a city level attack .
You say we haven't seen him use it yet here you are saying Father's going to turn people into chairs,into a statue ,that he is going to transmute the air around us and transmute Tobi's mask(funny since he didn't even transmute Ed's auto-mail to turn it against him).
And in regards to Tobi being weak when compaired to state alchemists, I never said he was. You are the one who is saying that, not me. Was it implied by me? No, I just said that it took Greed with his power of carbonization to weaken him, to enable Ed to punch a hole through his chest and cause him to lose his souls and become unstable.
Well then your whole point falls apart.If you say Tobi could not be beaten by those alchemists and those alchemists were able to make Father run out of souls to contain God well then Tobi should that is just logical.
You say the only way they had to defeat him was Greed, that is false the reason Father was unstable was because he had used up his power and was no longer able to contain God.If Greed hadn't done what he did in a worst case scenario he(Father) would die later in a best case one he would lose God and revert back to his old self.
As for the gate Father can open the gate without needing to transmute a country he only done that because he needed to absord God (Or the truth if you will), hell Ed only tried to bring his mother back and he opened the gate. Given that Father has 1,000,000 souls im more than certain he can open the Gate if he wished. As for the Truth part of it, The gate shows you the Truth of what you wish to see, and if this is Fathers Third form then he absorbed the Eye of God which is a seemingly omnipotent being that exists on the other side of the gate. Going by that im sure he will find a way out with 1,000,000 souls at his disposal.
Where is it written that it shows you the Truth you want? Edward described it has having a huge amount of knowledge forced into your mind.
Edit: Unless im mistaken your point about the Jinchuriki's were that they couldnt use the Paths. And that scan just said that Tobi didnt want to waste the chakra on the Paths Jutsu, meaning that they could he just didnt want to use them.
You are mistaken .
The scans states that they can't use them ( Kakashi says it and Tobi validates it) .Yes, because of Tobi not letting them but that isn't really an issue .Whether or not they are doing it out of lack of power or out lack of envy they still technically aren't using the paths.
Listen you're trying to argue that Father who has inferior destructive capacity to Tobi who has either Shinra Tensei and Chibaku Tensei or Six jinchurrikis granting destruction between multi-mountain and town level.Inferior speed , with Tobi fighting hyper-sonic characters and Father possessing supersonic reaction time.
You're only argument at this point is transmutation which requires Tobi to stand close to Father which any person with knowledge would not do.Even Scar who is less fast then Tobi was able to avoid transmutation.
No offence my friend, but this is ridiculous at this point our debate is about whether Tobi has jinchuurikis which would allow him to spam bijuu dama or just produce one bijuu dama with multi-mountain level destruction or if he has Shinra tensei which would destroy the city .On top of that if we take you 're belief that he can use the Pain abilities but not the bodies he can (thanks to the energy equivalence rule) block city block level attacks with absorption which is the most Father demonstrated without preparation.