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Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » Dorugoramon vs Obito Uchiha

@Destinyheroknight said:

@TheBlackDragonz:

Dude, those are just popularity contest. It not bass on any fact at all

This. I think I saw some pages were universal characters had "losses" against Luffy and other HST characters.

No need to make a thread for each and every win/loss recorded in the wiki.

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » Who can stand against "D"?

@ReiKai:

I haven't. You need to understand that in terms of Pure Swordsmanship, there isn't anyone in fiction who can measure up to "D".

This was what I wanted to confirm. Sure enough, it seems there is no one who can surpass the skill possessed by D (as of now). While not at the level of D, I do think Fake Assassin deserves being mentioned as another exceptionally skilled swordsman, mostly due to him creating an almost impossible technique through skill and practice alone.

D-Cyber, Lost Evolution, Xros Wars, Xros Wars manga and a bunch of other continuities.

Otherwise everyone just mentions omnipotents and multiversal figures and that's just boring, which is where your simple line of thought is going.

Yeah, powerful characters are no fun.

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » Who can stand against "D"?

@ReiKai:

For starters, none of the characters you mentioned were my choices.

Second, there are continuities in DIgimon where not only the Digimon have lived for thousands of years, they have perfected their skills as well. Oh yeah, they are not fusions or evolutions either. There are many Digimon who specifically train and engage in sword-based combat and the Royal Knights including Omegamon have clashed swords with them and fended them off or defeated them. So lol at the "no training or skill with a sword". Also, Omegamon and Alphamon DO have those kind of stats as well as hax.

I like how you've completely ignored the question of how they are superior compared to D. To reiterate:

What makes their skill superior to D who as you yourself have listed can accomplish insane shit with just a regular sword? Do their swords possess special properties/grant special properties or are they just plain regular swords?

You are dismissing everything as not being in D's league but can your two choices accomplish shit like that with no outside power, no special abilities, weapons with nothing special about them whatsoever and just purely based on skill?

You say this so I'm sure they must have some good shit:

In terms of physical strength they may exceed "D" (except Kenshin), but with the kind of skill and ability employed by him, strength is meaningless

I'd certainly love some scans or statements showcasing their "superior" skill compared to D. Oh yeah, the lightspeed part of D as well.

You did answer one though albeit a bit indirectly.

Concerning "hax" abilities, is everything allowed or just sword based hax?

They didn't start with hax powers, but acquired them later. This does not detract from the fact they were still Trained and Skilled Swordsman. Their hax moreover complemented the skill they already possessed.

So, other hax is allowed I take it. This certainly raises the amount of potential characters who can beat D.

It's like this. Omnimon X could easily kill Kenshin, but Kenshin is a thousand times more skilled with a sword than Omnimon X could ever be.

Depends on which continuity we are talking about and your definition of what counts as skill. Omegamon X is basically an upgraded Omegamon. Experience with swords, years of training and fighting powerful opponents including "swordsmen"? Yes, some versions possess all that and more.

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » Who can stand against "D"?

@ReiKai:

If the character has actual skill and training with a sword and acquires hax abilities

What makes their skill superior to D who as you yourself have listed can accomplish insane shit with just a regular sword? Do their swords possess special properties/grant special properties or are they just plain regular swords?

Concerning "hax" abilities, is everything allowed or just sword based hax?

"D" has at least 5000yrs experience with skill and ability to completely ignore 3-dimensional laws, and cut through materials stated as nigh-indestructible to completely indestructible, using only a steel sword that possessed no special properties of its own.

You are dismissing everything as not being in D's league but can your two choices accomplish shit like that with no outside power, no special abilities, weapons with nothing special about them whatsoever and just purely based on skill?

Or have I misread your intentions and you are just looking for a skilled swordsman who can defeat D not necessarily exceeding the shit he has displayed? In which case, yeah, I see there being many potential candidates who can beat him.

You need to clarify this.

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » Who can stand against "D"?

^I'd certainly have contested that but it seems there's no reason to as OP himself has given a relaxation in the last 2 or so pages and given victories to characters who lack skill with a sword but make it up with hax and power in which case both your's and UltimateHero's choices are totally valid.

Carry on people.

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » Who can stand against "D"?

@CerusSerenade: That wasn't aimed at you but everyone in general.

He had DEMONICA upgrades and many of those end game "swords" and "guns" are divine/mythological weapons. Not to mention that he's already pretty much multiversal at that point so no I wouldn't term that as being "skilled".

"Skill" is someone like Fake Assassin who was able to create a technique like Tsubame Gaeashi just by practice alone.

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » Who can stand against "D"?

OP is asking for someone more skilled than D who is apparently able to do crazy shit by skill alone, not someone more powerful.

You could easily find hundreds of swordsmen more powerful than him if it was about power.

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » Arceus vs. Living Tribunal

Funny thing is all that so called "defeat" did was just piss off YHWH who made sure that he tortured Aleph eternally in return.

Also, spite thread.

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

Last time I checked, there were mods for this section.

Not sure if that changed but seriously this needs to be locked.

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » YHWH (SMT) vs Vegito

The trick is to not let these things get to your head. I realized that fact a bit too late myself. :maybe

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » Arceus, zeedmillenniummon, YHVH (SMT vs My team

@TheNeutralOne said:

@MohsinMan99: yea but stating he can eradicate the omniverse along with everything in it with just a thought isn't really a necessary feat for this battle. Multiversal with a thought is quite enough not to mention the fact that he is banned from death and can regenerate from a skeleton.

SMT YHWH=High Multiversal-Megaversal

Zeed=Mid-Multiversal-High Multiversal(unchained)

Plain multiversal isn't going to be enough to beat them hence why I said "multiversal" isn't cutting it. That said, HOTU Thanos is easily much beyond that.

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » YHWH (SMT) vs Vegito

The only thing common between YHWH and Arceus is that they are creator entities. YHWH is in a totally different league compared to Arceus.

YHWH is at the top of the food chain in a verse consisting of numerous multiversals, universals and reality warpers and governs over a bunch of multiverses. He has lots of powerscaling going for him even if he doesn't have many actual feats sort of like TOAA. The next strongest being is Lucifer and even he can't take on YHWH and spends most of his time trying to think up ways on how to overthrow YHWH. YHWH's so-called "loss" against Aleph was also temporary which only managed to piss him off and Aleph's punishment was to suffer for all eternity being constantly revived, reincarnated and being killed, sort of an infinite death loop. IIRC, YHWH was also stated to be omnipresent.

Next, the feat of wiping out billions of universes in an eyeblink was done by a much weaker aspect/avatar of YHWH. There are many demons/characters stronger than said aspect and YHWH is >>>>>>>>> than all of them. The important thing to note is these "demons" are actually gods and monsters from world mythologies like Norse, Greek, Celtic, Hindu, Lovecraft, etc. and their mythos are canon to SMT, i.e. their feats in the mythos are applicable to these incarnations. SMT makes this abundantly clear. So a demon in SMT=mytho feats+SMT feats. This might be a point of contention for some people but even without those feats, SMT characters are really powerful.

: You've made a pretty good argument even though you know nothing about the verse lol. I'd say that Arceus at full power would be beyond anything in his verse basing off what we saw from true form Dialga and Palkia though. The movie versions weren't at full power nor were they really impressive. The Pokemon Conquest incarnation of Arceus was quite impressive but that game is probably non-canon.

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » Omegamon X vs Goku, Vegeta and Gohan

@TheNeutralOne: People have made worse threads really.

I'm sure everyone knows of the classic "Naruto vs LT" thread.

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » Arceus, zeedmillenniummon, YHVH (SMT vs My team

@TheNeutralOne: Multiverse is underrating it quite a lot when he's pretty much the second strongest being after TOAA. LT himself has some megaversal feats IIRC and governs the omniverse and HOTU Thanos>>>LT.

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » Omegamon X vs Goku, Vegeta and Gohan

Zeed is a really powerful multiversal but I won't exactly put him in the Top 10 in Fiction list. That'd be mostly occupied by comic book top tiers. :maybe

He'd most likely be top 10 when considering Anime/Manga verses though. I made a post listing his feats and abilities once if anyone wants to know:

http://wikimon.net/images/5/5b/Zeedmillenniumon_collectors_card.jpg

Featwise, Zeed:
->conquered the future part of the multiverse and plunged it into chaos as soon as he evolved, he'd have instantly conquered the entire multiverse had it not been for plot device "Ryo"
->able to create universes from nothing and warp them to his liking
->defeated two multiversal entities who created the Digimon multiverse and are supposedly omniscient
->able to create artifical VR Digimon with his tech which are much more powerful than the original Digimon, created a bunch of universals in the game
->above is in his sealed state, without it he is stated to be able to destroy the entire multiverse by just existing
Feats from weaker forms, Zeed can do these as well:
->weaker forms have warped time and destroyed it, revived the past villains by creating a timeslip, able to revive themselves from any point in time-space, brought themselves into existence and created a chain of events that would lead to their creation, created a universe, defeated the Digimon Sovereigns, able to BFR opponents to any point in space-time, split a universe into two halves, able to stone opponents, presence alone was distorting time-space, can govern time and space, could reverse/fast forward time, plunged many worlds into chaos, pretty much manipulated the plot for at least two universes, created a world of the mind, etc.

Abilities(some mentioned in feats):
->multiversal scale time-space manipulation/reality warping
->non-corporeal, intangible, immune to all attacks on the physical plane
->able to destroy opponent's soul/spirit
->BFR to other universes or outside time-space
->creation and destruction of universes
->able to lock opponents into a dimension it creates with compressed time, can destroy it as well along with the opponent
->able to revive itself from any point of time-space(so destroying all time-space would be necessary if you want to beat him)
->exceeds time-space (in Digimon, this ability grants immunity to all attacks unless the attacks themselves exceed time-space/able to attack opponents outside of time-space)
->said to be able to exist in all points of time-space aka omnipresence
->able to create VR Digimon with his tech

There is also manga Zeed which is weaker than Ryo's Zeed but still quite impressive.

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » Arceus, zeedmillenniummon, YHVH (SMT vs My team

Thanos with the HOTU murderstomps.

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » Omegamon X vs Goku, Vegeta and Gohan

@SMXLR8: And how do stomp threads help in curbing this "wank"?

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21
Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » Omegamon X vs Goku, Vegeta and Gohan

Why is everyone making these rape threads against DB lately?

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

You must be kidding me...500 posts. This is probably a new record for AV battle threads.

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