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Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

No need to insult each other guys. The current debate is Naruto vs Ichigo vs Luffy. If you want to bring in other characters from other series, that's fine, but only if it serves to further your argument about the characters the thread is about.

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

So the thrust of the argument has shifted towards the fact that Ichigo and Naruto have cutting attacks. This is dismissing Luffy's armament Haki. Even if his Haki isn't strong enough to completely shrug off the attacks, it will most definitely be able to at least take the brunt of the cutting force, leaving only the blunt energy attack to push him around. That gives him enough of a defense to be able to charge in.

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@SpeedForceSpider said:

I agree, him putting pre-timeskip Luffy up there with those crappy ass feats is a clear sign on fanboyism in its prime.

I would prefer it if you didn't insult me. Fanboyism is not what I call it. I have openly agreed to really liking One Piece, but Naruto and Bleach are very close seconds. In fact I only recently started liking One Piece more then the others after rewatching the whole series again. Anyways, I'm not saying that pre-timeskip Luffy could fight current Naruto or Ichigo and win. However if you think that Naruto or Ichigo could survive that Jet Gattling attack, then I call insanity. No where has Naruto or Ichigo in the whole series shown incredible defensive capabilities when taking direct physical hits. The Bijuu only slightly helps, however if Tsunade or someone like the Raikage landed a direct hit on them, they would be toast. Luffy's physical strength is orders of magnitude above those of Tsunade who is widely considered one of the strongest physical fighters. If you guys are going to try and argue otherwise then you are the fanboys.

So I stand by what I said. If Luffy were to Jet Gattling Naruto or Ichigo and it landed, they would be done instantly. That's before timeskip.

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@Hellos: Cutting a mountain in half is nothing... Not an indication of physical strength... Mihawk, Zoro, and countless others can do the same in the One Piece universe...

@SpeedForceSpider: I'm not saying they are weak, and I am up to date on all three, and obviously have an affection for all three. However I do not believe that if a fight broke out and it was Luffy up close versus Ichigo and Naruto, that either would stand a chance.

Honestly... Lucci's Tekkai is one of the strongest defenses shown so far in the show, so much so that even the Admirals recognize him. Arguably it's even stronger then current Luffy's armament Haki; and yet he got crushed. If either Ichigo or Naruto get hit with the video below, do you honestly think they would survive?

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

All I can say at this point is I guess I have to wait to see what new Luffy is capable of in a real fight before posting. Right now Naruto and Ichigo are under duress fighting their respective series top villains ie Madara and Aizen so it's obvious they'll need to seem powerful. Luffy isn't facing Blackbeard, or the Admirals or a Yonkou or anything like that, so he hasn't needed to go insane. When he faces the New World equivalent of Lucci, then we'll be able to tell how powerful he truly is.

EDIT: On a side note however, even pre-timeskip Luffy could kick Ichigo and especially Naruto's ass if he connected with a Jet Gattling. His raw strength is far above both of them. The other characters rely on beams and energy and weapons to do their damage. Luffy is all raw strength.

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@Hellos said:

@LiquidPrince said:

@Hellos: My counter argument to those points has already been said though. Luffy has immense speed, Haki that can sense his opponents locations and boast his attacks and immense resilience and stamina. On a side note, I have never seen a singular more overpowered character then Goku... so who exactly makes him look like an ant? The one who can cause worldwide earthquakes just by screaming and blow up a planet with a single laser beam?

Honestly, it isn't anything you haven't already included in the OP.

Haruhi Suzumiya is a school girl that can destroy the universe and remake it in her sleep, just because she is bored with how everything is.

My avatar, Nagato is weaker than the girl above and can still transform a dimension back into a class room. They are both reality warpers.

Z from Tenchi Muyo points his hand in the Moon's direction and obliterates most of it just for kicks. You have a number of characters much more powerful than he is to boot right after. Most of the time in Goku is worried about being on the receiving end of a planet buster, that has consistently been able to kill him since the start to the end of DBZ.

Piccolo blew up the moon at the beginning of DBZ when his power level was worthless... That's not a big feat.@Hellos said:

http://www.animevice.com/forums/battles/33/characters-stronger-than-goku/326049/

Here is a thread, have fun with it.

Many of those are quite ridiculous... Sailor Moon? Really? Or someone name off Pokemon... But anyways, I'll take your word for it.

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@Hellos: My counter argument to those points has already been said though. Luffy has immense speed, Haki that can sense his opponents locations and boast his attacks and immense resilience and stamina. On a side note, I have never seen a singular more overpowered character then Goku... so who exactly makes him look like an ant? The one who can cause worldwide earthquakes just by screaming and blow up a planet with a single laser beam?

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@Destinyheroknight said:

@LiquidPrince:

Enel can't read minds, he have never shown that ability in the manga

Yes he can. That is what Mantra was. Luffy was able to counter it by not thinking. Luffy's Haki can stop things due to premonition though. Hence why Rayliegh was able to dodge the giant elephants attacks without looking at it.

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@Hellos said:

@Jinbeifan1 said:

@FormerCrimsonKing: the kyuubi didnt take naruto's giant rasengan very well, not to mention luffy can keep up the attack even while injured, and its a potential island busting attack when hes going nonstop

Fight took place in Naruto's head. A Rasengan doesn't normally separate someone's yin and yang mid fight. Just sayin.

Edit:

@LiquidPrince:

He was able to dodge Pacifista laser beams (which are arguably moving at the speed of light) without any difficulty. This could either mean that Luffy can move at that speed, or that he can anticipate attacks moving at that speed with Haki and dodge them before the attack is launched.

Luffy isn't as fast as light. And for anyone arguing with the OP, said OP already picked the winner from the start of the fight, why bother?

This opinion isn't going to change.

Personally I think Luffy is the strongest character in Shonen right now.

Straight from the OP itself.

I think he is the strongest. But that isn't set in stone. I can change my mind. No one has given me sufficient reason to do so though. The two main arguments in this thread are that Naruto can spam mountain buster attacks and Ichigo can fly. That's not enough for me to go okay, Luffy is doomed.

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@FormerCrimsonKing: @The Stegman: A premonition is different then reading the persons mind. Luffy uses his Haki to see what is actually going to happen before it happens. Enel uses Mantra to read your mind and block your attacks. That's why Luffy punched off the wall so that even he didn't know what he was going to do.

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@FormerCrimsonKing said:

@LiquidPrince: that same logic can be applied to ichigo using reitsu crush. haki doesnt work against unpredictable attacks...remember luffy vs enel

Enel's Mantra was slightly different then Luffy's although both fall under Kenbushoku Haki. Luffy and the Hancock sisters have a premonition, where as Mantra was reading the mind. According to the One Piece Wiki:

"With enough skill, one can use this Haki to predict an opponent's moves shortly before they make them, thereby making the attack that much easier to evade. This prediction appears to the user as an image or brief "premonition" of what the opponent will do in the user's mind's eye, and the damage the user will take if the attack actually "hits". It appears that the more killing intent the enemy has, the easier they are to predict. Although, more skilled users can predict future moves whether there are ambient murderous intents or not."

On Mantra:

"It cannot predict inherently random attacks; Luffy managed to bypass Enel's Mantra by bouncing his fists off a nearby wall, to prevent himself and thus Enel from knowing where they would land."

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@The Stegman: Haki is not vulnerable to unpredictable attacks. There is no unpredictable attack for a Haki user. It's only a matter of speed. The only time a Haki user had problems was when Boa Hancock's sisters could see what Luffy was about to do, but weren't fast enough to dodge him when he was in Gear Second. Also the thing people are forgetting is that Luffy could drop Ichigo and Naruto with Haoshoku Haki if he wanted to. In Marineford his untrained Haoshoku Haki dropped hundred of people, vice admirals included, and even the admirals and Sengoku were shaken. After the time skip Luffy's Haoshoku Haki is far more powerful then it was before. Even if Naruto and Ichigo are strong willed enough to withstand it, they will still be rattled enough to slow them and leave openings for Luffy to one shot them.

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Team Naruto Vs. Team One Piece (Remake of the bad one)

Why would Logia intangibility be off? You're stacking it in the Naruto team side... Anyways OP would still win.

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@FormerCrimsonKing said:

@LiquidPrince: ichigo and luffy have arguably the same stats in terms of destructive capability & Durability. While luffy has precog with haki, ichigo has the range & mobility with flight. even if luffy can get into range of ichigo by jumping, all it take is a casual sword swing from ichigo to take luffy out where as it would take luffy;'s most powerful attacks to seriously hurt ichigo

I don't disagree with you that it would be a tough fight. But Luffy could use Haki to see the attacks coming way in advance. Even if the first six minutes are of him dodging, he could out last Ichigo. The difference between Ichigo, Naruto and Luffy is that all of Ichigo's and Naruto's attacks come in bursts. They have a short time limit to go all out before they revert to far weaker states. Luffy is not like that... He could use his strongest attacks even on the verge of death. He would be going all out for the duration of the entire fight where as Ichigo and Naruto would get warn out far quicker.

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@FormerCrimsonKing: I dunno, I guess I'm just not seeing it. No one here is really defending Ichigo properly. I mean the thrust of your whole argument was he would fly away and take pot shots at both. That's not a strategy that would take out Naruto let alone Luffy.

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@Jinbeifan1 said:

@FormerCrimsonKing: oh that i know he would lose lol i just wanted to make his case against naruto, and unless a lightning bolt hits luffy while in G3rd out of nowhere then I doubt he'll do much against him haha

His destructive power is way stronger then Thor axe when he does Elephant gun coated in Haki.

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@FormerCrimsonKing said:

@LiquidPrince: if ichigo takes to the air, he could spot either one of them. naruto would create multiple sage clones to search for them, naruto's chakra in kyubi mode is immense. only drawback is he can only stay in that mode for 5 minutes. Luffy has never done anything that would imply that he could outrun an explosion the size of a mountain..his traveling speed over long distances is not impressive. luffy wouldnt be able to touch ichigo while he's in the air

You're not considering the initial setup with regards to the setting. The island they are on is canvased by 100m trees and is 100km wide. Ichigo and Naruto would be wasting time while Luffy would know exactly where they are. Naruto can only stay in sage mode for five minutes because he devours too much chakra and natural energy. How wide would a mountain explosion be? 10km? If so I'd say Luffy could outrun that given the speed he moves. He's covered wide terrain multiple times fairly quickly, for example on Jaya (just regular running) and on Marineford through a battlefield.

This video demonstrates Luffy's speed and his reach in the air... all while tied up.

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@FormerCrimsonKing said:

@LiquidPrince: ill agree that luffy is faster than naruto but him and ichigo are about the same speed, but the starting distance puts him at a disadvantage because it would give ichigo time to fly and naruto time to charge his attacks before he could reach either of them. if naruto fires a kyubi ball, luffy might dodge the initial blast, but can he outrun the resulting explosion that expands to the size of a mountain? i doubt it. Luffy has great reactions, but his movement speed over long distances is nothing impressive. same for ichigo. but the difference for ichigo is the fact that he's in the air and wouldnt have to dodge the explosion, just the initial blast

Except that neither Naruto nor Ichigo know where either other opponent is where as Luffy can pin point them the instant the fight starts. So if Naruto wants to start spamming attacks and waste Chakra that would make it all the easier for Luffy to take him out. Also you concede that Ichigo and Luffy are around the same speed (I'd argue Luffy is faster) thus we can presume that Luffy could easily out run the initial explosion given how freaking fast both Luffy and Ichigo are. He could then deal with what ever after shock with Haki. Do you honestly think either of those characters could withstand a Gomu Gomu no Red Hawk attack?

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@FormerCrimsonKing said:

@LiquidPrince: lol. The burden of proof is on you to prove that he could withstand. prove that he could tank a mountain busting attack, you havent proven anything. everything you've posted was all speculation or your own opinon. you need to evidence to back up your claims man. you have none..go find scans to support your argument....thats how thing work here

i thought that was all possible due to it happening inside naruto's mind? if not then your right. what makes you believe it has that potential?

But you disregard every other aspect of the argument. Lets say that Luffy cannot take a mountain buster head on. Who is to say that Naruto and Ichigo can even hit Luffy, who not only can predict your attacks, but is arguably as fast if not faster then either of those two characters. Also don't try and argue against Luffy's speed. He could keep up with Soru pre-timeskip no problem and has only gotten way faster afterwards, being able to dodge lasers and calling them slow.

Post by LiquidPrince (97 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@FormerCrimsonKing said:

@LiquidPrince: for one, it was nowhere near mountain busting, he split an island, 2 akainu isnt nowhere near being able to bust mountains, WB attacks>>>>akainu's attacks 3. if you have nothing to prove your argument then it becomes invalid.

You have nothing to disprove that Luffy can withstand a mountain buster attack. Also you're putting too much emphasis on environmental destruction. That proves nothing. Luffy is going to be moving ridiculously fast, has stamina that can far out last both Naruto and Ichigo and he can stretch to reach flying or hovering enemies. Luffy has taken attacks from powerhouse villains and allies alike and survived them easily including two giants in Little Garden who most definitely could destroy mountains. All of this was pre time skip. We have no specific scene to gauge how powerful Luffy's Haki is, but if he can withstand all that without Haki, you can only imagine what he can withstand with it.

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