Kurohige (Level 19)

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Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Might Guy vs Juubito

I love how when that fight first came out everyone was like "Holy crap, Gai is top 5 in Naruto for sure! He is>>all the bijuu!" then hordes of Gai matches where he stomps. Fast forward here and now the feat was unimpressive and Madara was letting him win.. Go figure I guess, same thing with Renji, Mask, Gremmy and all the other characters shown and then dismissed by all the battle forum communities XD. I honstly think Gai has this since Madara's control over the truth sinking balls should be better than Obito's anyway,Gai already got the first hit in that fight, he only needed help because the strain of 8 gates was starting to halt his movements giving Madara just enough time to recover/counter similar to when lee used the lotus the first time and gave Gaara enough time to make that sand clone.

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Sanji VS. Pika

Rules:

Sanji has taken Zoro's place and must defeat Pika and save the King, can he do it?

VS

(Last battle for the next week or so, I promise.)

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Sajin Komamura vs Soi Fon

@SonNeko: Well both have access to the material and tehcniques displayed in timeskip so human Komamura is viable, now I don't think he started out in it, plus it doesn't last forever.

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Sajin Komamura vs Soi Fon

Okay... I just got back form work and see that my thread was locked (But hey, it made it to 4 pages which was more than what I was expecting, it even started to get a good debate going for a bit there!) So here is hoping that this thread goes at least a bit better. The old debate, power vs speed, both are chaaracters who specialize in the respective category and only second to one other (Komamura is second to Kenpachi in power and Soi Fon second to Youruichi)

Rules:

1. In character

2. Both have canon knowledge of each other, so whatever they know or don't know in the manga they know or don't know here

3. Battle takes place in Soul Society in the middle of the serietei

4. Fighters are 30 feet apart

Scenario 1: Pre-time skip

Scenario 2: Post-time skip

Same rules apply for both scenarios.

VS

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19
Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Naruto and Sasuke (Sage of six paths) VS. Devil Gundam & Army

Rules:

1. Fight takes place on Earth at the final Valley

2. Sakura has been taken as the Devil Gundam's core instead of Rain

3. This is final form Devil Gundam

4. The Devil Gundam starts out at the top of the Final Valley while Naruto and Sasuke are at the location of where Kagua was defeated, they must make their way over and defeat it.

5. The Devil Gundam has already begun spreading it's tentacles and Devil army over Japan and has fused with the country, now the duo must get past the heads and defeat the Devil Gundam

6. No knowledge or prep, all they know is that Sakura has been taken as the core

7. Because this is final form Devil Gundam that means Grandmaster Gundam also lies within it piloted by Ulube Ishikawa

8. In-character

VS.

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Hiei vs Sasuke vs Zoro vs Renji

@RampagingSimian: And so is Ichigo when Tatsuki punched his head through a window and left him bleeding... :(

Or Naruto for cutting cut by kunai ect. lol I'm with you though, those kind of arguments are a bit silly.

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Hiei vs Sasuke vs Zoro vs Renji

@chill21 said:

@Kurohige: i could be wrong here but im not the only one to think this. when zoro cut through pica's main body his swords were black and it really clearly looked like he amped up his swords with his own haki. in fact he even said before hand that his haki was stronger than pica's. so the sword swing wasn't completely casual. and the actual attack was one of his ougis anyway so definitely not casual.

Renji actually comes pretty close in strength to zoro compared to other bleach characters. casually stopping mask's 10x punches with one hand is a feat. i still think zoro is stronger but its not a massive margin. and renji can fly so zoro has like 3 attacks he can hit renji with even if he is possibly a bit faster. and renji can do more than just swing his swords too. i think between them its not certain who wins. zoro definitely does not beat him without difficulty. old renji sure but not current.

Yeah, I stated Zoro used haki, it doesn't changed that he sliced through him like butter with one special move. Flight doesnt do much for Renji since he is a close-mid range fighter and is terrible at kido.

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Hiei vs Sasuke vs Zoro vs Renji

@GalaxianExplosion05 said:

@luthluth said:

@GalaxianExplosion05: Renjis still kind of featless tho

IIRC, Renji didn't even use his bankai still after he did the Royal Guard Training, right?

He used it alright, but the amount of effort and time he used it for it may as well have been his own version of Kenpachi's kendo strike. From hype he is supposedly Aizen level before his new upgrade. I still think Zoro is>Renji based on feats since Zoro simply used haki and was chopping though city/mountain level Pika and then easily chopped through his haki armor which was>his giant stone body, hell, Zoro didn't even use his single sword haki strike (Lion's song) which may be much stronger. After all that he was still seemingly just fine and hardly breaking a sweat, he was really only panicked for the people below. Still he is far outclassed by Sasuke and Hiei.

Hiei>Sasuke>>>>Zoro>Renji

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Whom can defeat Reinhard?

@EvilMegaCookie said:

@DhalSim: I said claiming. I didn't say anything about omniverse actually existing. The only way such a thing could is if every author got together into one gigantic writing group.

Edit: Actually, not even then. Omniverse is just the arrogant idea of owning all fiction.

I could have sworn someone pages back just said there was a character who owned all of fiction. Not only that but people were saying the witches has a library owning fiction hence why I was asking about them. It's kinda funny though, th eidea of arrogant when talkinga bout characters like the Chousen, Reinhard ect. Then again tha'ts why I said pages back that at a certain point all you can do is stalemate, there is only so much overpowered BS you can have until you reach a finite limit that even th meost ridculous Omnipotent being have. That's why it's much easier to debate with characters that are only Universal and below.

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Whom can defeat Reinhard?

@DhalSim said:

@EvilMegaCookie said:

@Kurohige: Except that Umineko witches have been proven to be that powerful. Unless people were claiming that they were omniversal+ or something.

There's no such thing as omniverse. Omniverse is a made up term made by Marvel. High metaversal is the highest you can go and Umineko witches fit the bill.

-States that there is no such thing as Omniversal

-Says Marvel has Omniversals

what? Wouldn't that just mean the Marvel Universe has something above a metaverse? Also, Ben 10 had an omniverse as well. Again, how are Umieko Witches that strong? Most feats come from the game board, also if that is the highest you can go would they not stalemate Reinhard or beat him, and wouldn't a truly all-powerful being be able to simply go beyond what out understanding as "The highest" as far as Omniversal, Metaversal ect. Like a guy so strong he can simply become Omniversal+ even though it makes no sense, he is just that God-like? Lol but in all seriousness what makes Umieko witches so strong? Because so far on every forum nobody has been able to show why without 5 chapters of the novel copied and pasted, two 30 minuet videos and a massive flowchart with tons of speculation, interpretations all devrived from a game board or something.

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Whom can defeat Reinhard?

@EvilMegaCookie: If I went by what fans have told me about the series then the witches actualy own all fictions including visual novels and can affect the 4th wall and even take out other authors, I'm not even kdding here. If Umieko witches are that powerful then I think Reinhard and his legion get royally stomped. Plus a large amount of feats come from power scaling a freakin' game board to be megaversal...

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Whom can defeat Reinhard?

Visual novels are usually overpowered anyway, I don't usually like saying one character beats most of fiction since there is a lot of it and I dunno if everyone has seen all that fiction has to offer in terms of characters. In addition I have seen a ton of people hype them up and then once I actually read the novels they were not nearly as powerful and had a ton of speculation and fan interpenetration Cough*Umieko Witches*Cough.

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Kizaru VS Gremmy

@luthluth: Yes but by that same logic you would have to argue Kizaru isn't even supersonic since he could finish saying "Mmm~ Too slow!" before he landed the kick and before Luffy landed. In all cases they saw a flash of light and were hit, they never reacted to Kizaru. I dunno who thinks Kizaru can blitz Freiza though. I'm not even saying he can attack consistently at light-speed (Although data-books, and the wikia and video game data entries all like to say so nut it has not been directly adresed in the manga.) I'm just saying a character being drawn with a "!?" mark or having their eyes looking over is not enough to debunk that, nor is applying those same physics of light-speed to One Piece of all things (Such as if Kizaru were to kick someone at that speed they would fly across they Earth 8 times in the lbink of an eye or explode ect, I'm no science major here.) I simply think there just isn't enough evidence to support Kizaru being light speed, not so much that there is evidence to debunk it, much more reasonable argumetns would be his fight with Silvers and Marco, although int he ladder he wasn't serious, then again he wasn't with the Novas either. As for the Freiza example we saw Vegeta hit Gohan out the way, plus the example with Ichigo and Byakuya at least enforces my point.

@RampagingSimian said:

@Captivated: Agreed. If he flew around at LS all the time he would probably end up soloing OP.

Nah, people thought the exact same thing with Doflamingo and he seemingly broken power and Whitebeard. It's the same kind of argument as Aokiji being able to go Absolute Zero, or Ace being able to make his flames as hot as the sun, Whitebeard being able to planet bust ect. I say wait until they get serious since so far Akainu is the only one who we have seen go all out and even that's debatable since the off-screen fight with him and Aokiji was MUCH more damaging to the enviornment and went on much long and both sustained greater injuries than int he fight with Whitebeard. I'm sure Oda is going to stick with him being light-speed and go with the notion that he was never serious. The heroes will likely win with a Zoro vs Pika style plan (Badass plan E.) The admirals are gonna be very broken EoS I just know it, same with Blackbeard.

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Kizaru VS Gremmy

I'll chime in here, the Supernova's looking at Kizaru's attack was just for affect, they didn't react to anything or even make a slight attempt to move out the way. It was the same deal when Frieza fired a Death beam and killed Dende; everyone had the same reactions they had the "!?" mark as he fired, yet they still could not move or react, they even aid they couldn't see, but it was more for dramatic affect that the "reacted" when he fired:

In addition it's like claiming Freiza was weak because Dende's body was still intact and not obliterated by final form freiza. Kizaru clearly blitzed thme and they didn't react, all Apoo said was "Light?" and nothing else, Piccolo only saw light as well. I'm not saiyng Kizary is =Freiza in speed but the artistic detail is the same, it's like that in most manga, hell in LBeach it was the same deal when Byakuya "reacted to Ichigo who was vastly faster than him when they started:

They were "looking" at them but could not react at all. Not saying this to prove Kizaru has the win at all, but let's be fair about his loss and not just donwplay him, nobody reacted, moved, or shielded themselves fromt he attacks, they were blitzed, the only thing we have them saying it that all they saw was a blinding light.

MOD EDIT

Cleaned Scans

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Whom can defeat Reinhard?

@Divine_Joker said:

@Kurohige said:

@Divine_Joker said:

@Kurohige said:

@Divine_Joker: If GER erases the cause then Akabane wont be able to activate the ablity in the first place, in addition it ignores speed, and exist outside of time and space anyhow since it existed when no such thing existed. There is not really any logic nuliifying time being erased..while time is being erased.

It doesn't work that way

Yes it does. But seriously, explain please,don't just say it doesnt :p

Which ability are we talking about?

GER, the only one I mentioned :p

@EG_Sage said:

@Kurohige: Reinhard's Longinuslanze Testament - Holy Spear of Destiny has:

  • Stroke of Fate - Longinuslanze conceptual weapon, a spear is fast than the concept of speed (infinite speed), as well as the inevitable (infinite range), and just kill anything (erases existence) . In addition, it still burns the soul and mind.
  • Spiritual power - Lance is so strong that just by looking at him, the soul of the beholder will be permanently burned, mind erased, and their existence erased.
  • Negation - the holy light of the spear and Reinhard passively denies any form of superpowers, a special status, barriers and everything else.

Ah okay, then yes Luckyman loses. Whats the limit, as in would it be NLF to say that it applied to everything or would there be a agreed upon limit, since it sounds very similar to Ryogu Shiki's hax.

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Whom can defeat Reinhard?

@EG_Sage: Lucky isn't really a power though, he doesn't manipulate it or anything himself. But what does Longinuslanze Testament

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Whom can defeat Reinhard?

@Divine_Joker said:

@Kurohige said:

@Divine_Joker: If GER erases the cause then Akabane wont be able to activate the ablity in the first place, in addition it ignores speed, and exist outside of time and space anyhow since it existed when no such thing existed. There is not really any logic nuliifying time being erased..while time is being erased.

It doesn't work that way

Yes it does. But seriously, explain please,don't just say it doesnt :p

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Whom can defeat Reinhard?

As for the thread.... Luckyman, with his ability Reinhard would simply give up and let Luckyman live :D

Post by Kurohige (3,782 posts) See mini bio Level 19

Battles » Whom can defeat Reinhard?

@Divine_Joker: If GER erases the cause then Akabane wont be able to activate the ablity in the first place, in addition it ignores speed, and exist outside of time and space anyhow since it existed when no such thing existed. There is not really any logic nuliifying time being erased..while time is being erased.

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