ktarinze (Level 6)

@hitsusatsu11 said:

"@Destinyheroknight said:

" @ktarinze: Who is SPC? "

Super Perfect Cell   As for the fight, IDK  Gohan never trained and its remarked that he was better when he fought Cell, however it was also remarked that Dabra is = or > Cell. Basically if Gohan got mad and unleashed his full power (like I believe he did against fat buu, after Goku told him to get angry and unleash his inner power) then I believe he is at least equal, if not a bit > teen gohan.  This fight would go down probably similar to Gohan vs Dabra.  Another thing to consider is HALF POWER ssj2 Teen Gohan beat SPC  Adult Gohan at FULL POWER undoubtedly is >>> his teen counterpart at HALF power "

idk hitsusatsu because even if gohan full power is unleashed i still dont think he stands a chance against ss2 teen gohan also i dont think he is that much stronger then ss2 teen gohan with his power cut he is maybe equal or a little bit stronger then him but i think SPC does beat ss2 adult gohan in a close battle

   
gohan from majin buu saga who is way weaker then ss2 teen gohan

@paladin said:

" @ktarinze: Stop it. You clearly can't make a distinction between plot continuity and writer's BS. Broly may beat Gotenks due to the later's inexperience but gets stopped by Mystic Gohan for sure. That's what most the debaters concluded. It's been decided since a few pages. Broly may be stronger than that but we have no way to determine it. "

no you stop it okay if its writers BS dont put  him stronger we dont talk about that is BS when broly is beating ss2 gohan but loses to goku with weak z warriors combined power levels most people overrate broly for idk watever reason thats why he is getting put on that level and it is crazy how people even think he gets passed majin vegeta and ss3 gotenks gotenks would beat him with 1 punch just like goku did to him and majin vegeta would almost do the same if he is a BS character then we shouldnt talk about him but it is crazy that yall think he will get passed majin vegeta and the ss3 gotenks is funny i wont even argue because he gets curbstomped by him and im talking about he will be lucky  to land 1 punch so please be quiet you dont know what you are talking about

@DBZ_universe said:

"ill give this to the brothers of destruction!!!!!  cause obviously with a super nova from Cooler Dr.Gero and androind 20 are done and finished!!!!  i don't think theres no way for them to survive a Super Nova or a Death Ball!!!! specially if they are combined making a "Super Death Nova" "

they do have enery absorbtion in there hands but i still give it to the brothers of destruction as you would say

@Mortein said:

"Frieza>SSJ Goku (on Namek)>Cyborg Frieza>>Trunks>>Goku(pre android saga) >>>Goku (android saga)>Vegeta SSJ And Android 20>>Vegeta I think Androids are stronger "

idk about that goku seemed stronger to me through out the whole battle on namek

stops at 4 there not getting past super vegeta he solos both of them

@mysticboy said:

"Assuming it's Metal Cooler that is "

it is regular cooler

@Sonata said:

"SPC wins easily the Stone spit is not guaranteed to connect as Fat buu was able to dodge it. Dabura didn't look very impressive at all against a rusty Gohan. SPC is also armed with Instant Transmission and regeneration, giving him a bigger edge. "

true but still that fight with a weaker ss2 gohan was equal and i think cell would do the same against him

@Dream said:

"@ktarinze:  You can also blame Toei for making a broken DBZ character as bad as Broly where the only means of killing him off was making an ass pull with movie plots. Think of it this way. Broly's the only DBZ character who has actually been shown to wipe out nearly an entire galaxy and was able to endure blows and point-blank energy blasts from the Z Fighters in his LSSJ form taking little to no damage with the only major damage to him coming in each of the finales where said ass-pulls from the anime creators come off. All that has been shown by characters in the series canon despite how powerful they have gotten and gloat about destroying a galaxy or the universe are planet busting attacks where they have to fly to different planets to cause further havoc and where weaker fighters had some chance at inflicting harm to powerful foes (Krillin to Frieza, Vegita to Perfect Cell). Such wasn't the case with Broly, except during the deus ex machina endings.  And Broly equal to Dabura and SPC? Goku as a SSJ2 who would have been stronger than SPC delivered a Kamehameha with his sons at Broly yet the guy was still fending off the blast. Both the two would get massacred. "

not main vegeta he would massacre him and also it was a huge ki blast broly can deliver a huge blast quickly somewhat of what cooler did except bigger but when it comes to 1 on 1 he would lose to alot of people in the buu saga and he would lose to ss2 gohan now the main reason broly loses is because he lost to one punch to a bunch of weak z warriors and if that is PIS then that is also BS that he should be able to beat a weaker gohan who is still on ss2 level a weaker ss2 but still everybody says it was BS how he lose but nobody looks at the bs on how he wins some of his fights he should not of been able to keep up with gohan if he losses to a weakend ss2 goku with combined power of weak z warriors  
but still if we call everything PIS then we shouldnt be able to compare him so i put him on the power level of what i have seen and he is not stronger then ss2 gohan and is on cell and daburas level

i give the edge to dabura due to him being able to turn people into stone what do you guys think

@Dream said:

" @ktarinze:  In the case of Gohan-SPC, Vegeta's intervention gave Gohan the opportunity to pull a win literally out of his ass as he was almost out of ki and Cell's attention was diverted to being struck from Vegita's attack. Without Vegeta, Gohan would have been dead. That's one feat Gohan doesn't deserve all the credit for.  And I see Broly bulldozing the gauntlet with the only potential threat being Mystic Gohan. Majin Vegita had power on par with a SSJ2 which won't mean much as Broly at LSSJ was able to dominate a combined blast from two SSJ2s (Gohan and Goku) and a SSJ1 (Goten) as you seem to be trying all you can to dance around the nice samples of PIS that led to Broly's two defeats in the movies. The two SSJ3s could hold their ground for a bit yet the great amount of ki exhausted from their forms would eventually be their downfalls. Dabura would be smacked around like SSJ2 Gohan when he fought Broly in their second encounter. "

what lol your telling me that broly is on ss3 goku all the buus level and one of the strongest characters in dbz hahahaha no fucking way he gets past number 2 you keep saying PIS blame it on the creators for having him lose just like that alot of people have lost in dbz due to bullshit but we dont say nothing about them just look into some of the movies
also teen gohan held his own against cell with his power in half which is very impressive due to the fact that cell was fully powered up  
face it ss2 teen gohan> broly and broly=SPC=dabura either one can win against each other even though more then likely broly comes out on top of dabura or cell but he wont beat ss2 teen gohan

 

@Metatora said:

"True, but Mystic Gohan is insanely powerful even compared to an ssj3. He was able to easily beat Super-Buu, who was shown as being able to got toe to toe with ssj3 Gotenks. So Broly's power would have to increase by a very large amount to even stand up to Gohan at that level, and the rate that Broly's power increases was never stated.  
 
Now if his power were to increase fast enough, I think he could win, but without knowing the actual rate, it's impossible to determine how long that would take, and considering Broly is going to breeze past the first two levels of the gauntlet, the only time he's going to have to increase his ki is the fight with Gotenks, but that's assuming he can even win that fight, as that little guy is also capable of smacking around an ssj2 with ease. "

trust me he wont get passed number 2 he is way stronger then ss2 teen gohan and broly would lose to him so there is no way he gets passed the 2nd one he will have a tough battle with the 1st one and broly could get spit on as well even though i think he gets passed him

@Metatora said:

" 

The problem with Broly is that no one really knows how powerful he really is, however, I have a theory, although it’s all conjecture on my part…

In the first film, Broly beat the crap out of Goku, Gohan, Trunks, Vegeta and Piccolo. And he only lost due to PIS. Now the issue with this movie (and every other DBZ film) is placing it in the timeline. Gohan was able to turn into a super-saiyan, so does that mean it took place during the seven day wait for the Cell games? Two problems, Trunks was wearing the wrong clothes for that, and Goku and Gohan should have already been super-saiyans from the start. So, the first film can be overlooked as a measure of Broly’s power due to these inconsistencies.

The second film however, is a completely different story…

This film, unlike the first one, can be placed in the timeline with ease, taking place just before the Buu saga, Broly locks horns with Gohan, Trunks, Goten and Videl. In the first half of the film, Broly easily dominates Trunks and Goten. When Gohan shows up, they have a little scuffle, then they both go to full power, Broly goes LSSJ and Gohan goes SSj2, the animators said Gohan WAS SSJ2, they just forgot to add the “lightning.” Even as an SSJ2, Gohan was still outclassed by Broly. But, as Vegeta would state during the world tournament, Gohan “was a lot stronger” when he had fought Cell, meaning that he had become weaker. However, the real measure of Broly’s power is at the end of the movie, when Goten inadvertently wished that “dad was here” and Goku shows up to help his sons. Broly then gets into a beam war with SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Gohan and SSJ1 Goten (though he can be ignored) Now, when Goku fights Majin Vegeta not too long after, Vegeta says “at least you’re stronger than your son was when he fought Cell”

That implies that Goku is at this point is STRONGER than super perfect Cell and teen Gohan ever were (as I believe them to be equal in power) now, back to the beam war. Broly was shown as easily overpowering ALL THREE of them, so that means he has more combined power than a full powered SSJ2 and a weakened SSJ2. Which, needless to say, is pretty damn strong.

Now as for the gauntlet, considering Broly had enough power to easily overpower a fully powered SSJ2 Goku, I think he has a chance of beating SSJ3 Gotenks, but that’s as far as he’ll go, IF he gets past Gotenks, Mystic Gohan is going to wipe the floor with him.

"

i do agree with you on a lot of this but dont forget goku and broly never did fight it was just a beam struggle and even though somebody is weaker they can still beat someone with a huge ki blast like with goku using the spirit bomb on alot of occasions to win also gohan with his power cut in half still able to beat cell so there is alot of cases where when the person is weaker they can pull of a huge ki blast that might be able to beat the enemy also broly has a lot of power built up and can rip off a huge ki blast that can seem unbeatable 
i think him, teen gohan and goku are the people that can pull of a victory even though they may be weaker broly is one of the most powerful in dbz in making a huge ki blast thats why i think he would beat SPC in a goood fight even though i think SPC maybe stronger then him but he will lose to gohan because he can pull of a huge ki blast just as well and as for the timeline i dont think nobody went in the time chamber and for the movie like i said broly looked like he was done playing and was about to destroy the planet so he put up a huge ki blast and it was hard for goku to overcome it even with his sons help

@DBZ_universe said:

"

Bardock wins cause he is a warrior and it's proven that a low class saiyan can beat a higher class saiyan (Goku vs Vegeta during the Saiyan saga) and also Bardock had more experience in battle than King Vegeta and he had the guts to stand up to Freiza.......

"

idk about that the main reason goku got stronger was because he went to otherworld and trained if he stayed on earth he would have never got close to vegeta power level 

@TheManipulater said:

" @ktarinze said:

" @TheManipulater said:

"Making this thread was foolish "

then why are u posting on it lol "

It's simple, to let you know that making this thread was foolish. "

lol ok do you want a cookie for that just shut up and dont speak

@soldier said:

"@ktarinze said:

"hillarious how people actually think he will get passed majin vegeta when he is stronger then ss2 teen gohan and broly is not stronger then ss2 gohan that is hillarious he wont get passed number 2 and number 1 would put up a fight "

Would you actually care to explain why, because I see no logic behind this. "

i see no logic behind how he can beat him he lose to goku with one punch with a bunch of weakend z warriors power levels ss2 teen gohan would never lose like that

@Sonata said:

"(Assuming this is Metal Cooler and Mecha Frieza) Cooler would probably solo this, Dr. Gero and Android 20 never really prepared themselves for the Super saiyan transformation, and got beat. As Cooler was seen handling both Goku and Vegeta with ease.  If its the the original versions of both Frieza and Cooler, then I say the android barely win. Since Dr.Gero already has data on Frieza he knows he would have to make himself and 20 stronger than Frieza in order to stand up to Goku. Plus the ability they have to absorb energy will be factor here. "

this is original cooler and frieza 100% max

who is the winner and why 
and it is regular cooler

@JThree47605 said:

"I doubt Krillin could take on a fully powered Frieza. I just dont see it."

yea i dont either but some people think he has a chance he did do well against cell in 1st form so he has a slight chance

@TheManipulater said:

"Making this thread was foolish "

then why are u posting on it lol