"@Rapest_of_super_heros said:" @JThree47693 said:I agree with you. SSJ4 Goku is way stronger than SSJ3 especially the one from DBZ. If you go by the pattern of ssj power multiplying, ssj1 = x50 power, ssj2 = x100 power, ssj4 = x400 power, so ssj4 would probably either be x1600 power or x800 power. Also don't forget that GT base Goku was about as strong as his SSJ2 counterpart in DBZ. In GT he defeated both Cell and Frieza in base form. Previously it required a SSJ2 to defeat Cell let alone Cell and Frieza so you can scale GT Goku as approximately 100x as powerful as Z Goku give or take a little, even without the SSJ4 form. And even if some consider it non canon, it does not change the fact that GT version is much stronger than the Z version."what on earth made you say he's weak, I never saw him lose to anything and he seemed to be enourmisly strong. and I am tired of people sayin stuff like this ""manga ssj3 goku is stronger than gt ssj4 goku" cause I AM GONNA prove you guys that your wrong once and for all with mighty knowledge in fist garade mathmatics: we count like this 1-2-3-4... number four umm..daaaa...uhhmm bigger than one and two uhhh.. and uhhh.. three"" therfore a fourth power level would have to be more than a first, a second, and yes even a third, isn't that just fasinating, and and I don't think any writer in z or gt ever meant the opposite.ps: oh yeah, if I hear the word canon in reply, It would be obvious that the person replying did not infact understan any of the complecated information I just mentioned above. "
Gogeta from the end of Fusion Reborn, not the weakling you see in GT
FINALLY someone with a human brain, I thought I was the only one lift