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Post by K_B (92 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Deathwing vs Nine Tails


 
  @Hellos said:

They certainly did give the dragon aspects portions of their power, but I would have serious doubts of it being enough to remotely challenge the Old Gods, much less beat any of them in any fashion when the Titans had hell doing it. 


In The War of the Ancients, the Dragon Mage Krasus says that if anyone has a chance to stand up against the Old Gods, it would be the Dragon Aspects, thus the reason the old gods divided them:

'Combined, surely all five of the aspects represented a force capable of DEFEATING the elder beings.'-The Sundering Pg 157.

This is supported by the fact that the Old Gods corrupted the most powerful of the Aspects: Neltharion now known as Deathwing, which brough about the division amongst the five aspects. 
 

@Hellos

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That would be Deathwing's amped to hell moment, the DS was even too much for Deathwing since it was tearing him apart.  
The reason he could brush off their combined power was due to the upgrade it gave him, I really don't have a reason to think he could tank a Beast Bomb without it.  


 No Hellos, I was referring to after the Demon Soul was shattered, when the other aspects became empowered by it, he was able to fend the off for awhile.  

But let's look at other instances where tanked attacks of great magnitude.

In War of the Ancients, he was blasted by the Old Gods, the Burning Legion and Sargeras and survived.

In Day of the Dragon he took on all four aspects even after the shattering of the Demon Soul and they had been empowered and held them off until his escape.

At the end of the Second War, He took the combined power of the the most powerful Magi in Azeroth.

He also took on Khadgar backed by the Book of Medivh and escaped the destruction of Draenor.

And the Demon Soul has been shown to be a destructive item having nothing to do with durability, in fact, the Demon Soul was counter productive to DW's durability because it was ripping him apart.

All of that is PIS?  Is it PIS because it conflicts with your arguments?  There is more evidence suggesting that Deathwing is capable of withstanding attacks of such magnitude than against.  Show me stronger or better evidence that he can't rather than your personal opinion.

@Hellos

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You make it sound like Deathwing easily got a hold of the DS from the Burning Legion while it was in use, he nearly died getting to the DS. Hell he couldn't even hold onto the damn thing.
Even then it comes off as PIS for Deathwing to be tanking anything Sargeras can dish out.  

Where in my statement did I say that he easily got hold of the DS?  My whole argument was to show the scale of attacks that he has SHOWN to be capable of withstanding.  And like I stated before only with the intervention of the Old Gods did he drop the Demon Soul.  Again provide proof or evidence of your claims rather that crying "PIS, PIS".  
 

@Hellos

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As far as I know, no there aren't any homing missles outside the Ninja Storm 2 game. Although the enraged and under the influence of the Fox Naruto was showing impressive accuracy with his attacks, including the Beast Bomb.  
Theres also nearly stabbing baby Naruto with his giant claw with pinpoint accuracy awsell. 
 
That and I'm still missing where Deathwing has speed feats to think he can dodge anything thrown at him.
 


Baby Naruto was an immobile object, so I don't think that would have been a difficult target for anyone to hit.  And doesn't the fox have to charge his balls?
 
 The fact that DW was dodging for blood lusted aspects and managed to escape shows that he has the aerial abilities to dodge balls from an opponent whose footing will be unstable or near gone.  
 

@Hellos

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Your honestly going to believe Deathwing can take on Sargeras under his own power now are you?


 
Never did I say or imply such sentiments.  Your implications are becoming more and more out there.  I said that he was able to withstand the combined assault of Sargeras and the entirety of the burning legion to show that he is capable of withstanding the balls from the fox.  Deathwing did not engage Srageras as much as it was a hit and run, but he withstood attacks that dwarf what the Nine Tails has been shown to be capable of.
 

@Hellos

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It just shows Deathwing can manipulate the Earth, not so much the actual power behind those wings considering he'd be launched into orbit long before he's start splitting the Earth.

 
Yes Hellos, because when we're debating fictional characters from fictional universes with ridiculous feats by our standards, we apply real world physics right?  This is something that should already be known to you.  
 

@Hellos

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I said CIS not jobbing. Terrax is an example of a jobber, CIS is a standard that stops many fictional villians from outright killing their opponents.
Arthas already had beaten the Raid and Tirion, he just got hit with CIS so Tirion god his second wind from god in the process.

 
Yes, this again.  And I was referring to the possibilites of who would show up for the DW fight, hence the word "surmise".  Prove to me that gameplay is a more legitimate source of proving a character's skills and abilities rather than from the authenticated lore of that respective universe.  I have already shown you the discrepancy that exists between MC and Nomad.   

 

@Hellos

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So exactly how many Superman themed games are directly based off his comic book incarnation and not animated television series or crappy movies?  As far as I know, all of them also take place outside of the comic book's actual continuity.
Again, blame Blizzard for how they are depicting the character's level of power in the game. Thats part of the reason I dropped WoW.

 
You know Hellos, a simple google search would have sufficed to show you that there ARE Superman games based on the comics.  And even the ones based on the TV series are not able to emulate what is done in the source material (I mean superman drowning, seriously?), so what really is your point here?  You have failed to give me an ample example of a Superman videogame emulating his feats, but you wouldn't deny the feats available to Superman.  When DW is involved however, you quickly dismiss his feats that were achieved in the Blizzard authenticated novels, crying "PIS", "PIS", with nothing to back you up save your own opinion and a disturbing lack of any solid evidence.

And I should blame Blizzard for how they develop a successful gameplay formula?  I mean obviously their current formula is working for them, why would they go out of their way to change it?  How does this in anyway add to what you're saying?  Sorry to burst your bubble pal, but the main of reason for making videogames for Activision Blizzard is to make money and not live up to your unrealistic fantasies.  It's good that you quit WoW though, waste of time.  

@Hellos

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Well I'm glad your glad I guess, honestly I don't remotely see how what I'm saying is so unbelievable in the first place.  
As for rendering the cinematics in game, which ones? 
Shooting down bears as a dwarf, snowing outside Iron Forge as said dwarf climbs the hill, Druid shape shifting like crazy and jumping off hills making splashes, an Orc using cleave with a two handed mace surrounded by fire, blocking animations while said characters fight?  
Yes, I do believe we had that.
Arthas stabbing Frostmourne Ice Lake in half and resurrecting Sindragosa do able infront of players? Yes I do believe thats also quite doable for the developement team.

 
I find it strange that you would compare shooting a bear to resurrecting Sindragosa.  Do you not see a discrepancy between those two things Hellos? I really don't know how to respond to this kind of comment. 
 

 

@Hellos

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Perhaps they would, but they would still know MC would maul him in a fight. 

 
Unbelievable, you actually conceded to a point that was made clear as day when I initially brought it up.  But "perhaps"?  I am thinking you never played Crysis. If your rig is too weak to run it, go YouTube some vids so you see the vast difference in the movement speeds of MC and Nomad (with speed activated).  And how would they know if they are basing their feats on gameplay, Hellos?  Nomad can punch down trees with his bare hands and even some buildings in gameplay with strength activated, anyone not blinded by fanboy goggles and basing their opinions solely on gameplay would go with Nomad here.
 

@Hellos

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Change the .05 to .1 or to 1.   
If they wanted MC to be running around like a bullet timer, they could do it. But I would assume the success of the franchise itself would be hurt by such a move.  
Most FPSers aren't going to be dodging bullets. It would also hurt the laughable top 10 kill videos and Red Vs Blue series.


 I see, so now you're an expert on code.  The guy who didn't know the difference between graphics and a game's engine is now talking about code.  The startling irony of  this is that  you say that I should "blame Blizzard for how they depict a character's level of power in the game" and then almost IMMEDIATELY AFTER, come and say that if Bungie were to do the SAME THING to MC in the Halo franchise that it might hurt the brand.  Incredible, so it's okay for Bungie to do it but not Blizzard.  One of the reasons that WoW is so popular along with ALL Blizzard titles, is that their games are able to be run by users who are on low end to mid range machines.  If they put all the crap you want them to put into the game, obviously that would cause a huge performance hit, and eliminate MOST of the fanbase, or at least deter them because they do not meet the system requirements.  But no I should "blame Blizzard" and not Bungie because we don't want Bungie to hurt their franchise.  Try making a feasible argument where you don't conflict yourself next time.
 

@Hellos

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Nothing is all that bold about what I'm saying. Especially with the new phasing mechanic they have in place for questing for example.
 
Yeah I guess it's the exact same game from when I was playing it in Vanilla. Still having server wide lag in which I can cross the Ocean into an invisible wall, Server Crashes, no weather effects or fluffy cloads / night and day, ridiculously simple dungeon runs with moronic AI's, laughable animations for attacks and hosts of bugs or other small changes to the actually game's appearance or actual engine. 
 
Honestly if it was the same game from 06 with the content it has now, it would unplayable


 
Same game, new coat of paint.  Yep, they tweaked the game alright and patched it to fix balance and bug issues, but how does that make it a new game?  Besides story, loot, levels and quests, the core gameplay remains the same because it's tied down to the same engine and formula.  And that is the main issue of discussion in relation to gameplay that we're having here.  Not about bugs and server issues, but about what the game engine is capable of achieving in terms of feats on-screen.  It staggers me how people don't become bored of doing the same thing over and over.  But I guess people like filing up bars and collecting loot.

 
 

@Hellos

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I'm still waiting to hear some feats that don't sound like they are being powered by PIS or said character being amped into oblivion and then assuming what they could tank as a result.  


 Nope, I've alredy provided my evidence from source material.  Now it's your turn to prove me wrong, not the other way around and crying "PIS", "PIS".
 

@Hellos

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See thats where we disagree, I don't know if Deathwing can tank that kind of power, even with this obscure 10x more powerful sticker your placing on him.

 
 I've already shown that he can, but you continue to cry "PIS" without showing evidence to the contrary.
 

@Hellos

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Amped to hell or when he was running for it and went into hiding?

As I've stated numerous times before, after the Demon Soul was shattered, and the other aspects became empowered, he fended them off for a time until he got overwhelmed and managed to escape the other 4 bloodlusted aspects. It took four dragon aspects and a broken demon soul to beat deathwing, now, he's ten times stronger because in the events leading up to the Cataclysm, the whisperings of the Old Gods have gotten worse and the growing influence of the Old Gods has magnified Deathwing's power ten-fold. @Hellos said:

Does he need to?  
Does not being able to fly make him any slower or weaker even when he's chucking the Fox away with a super streched neck and endlessly long sword into the Bridge a mile away?


No he doesn't need to, but flight is usually considered to be an advantage in most scenarios. 
 

@Hellos

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Flight might be a strategic advantage, but normally unless stated otherwise the characters aren't flying around at the start of a fight and are placed relatively close to one another.  
Which if the Fox gets ahold of Deathwing before he even gets off the ground leads into more of a mess. 

 
 
"Might be"?  Flight will prove to be a major hassle to the fox while his footing is being taken from underneath him with DW's earth manipulation.
Post by K_B (92 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Deathwing vs Nine Tails

@Hellos said:


Okay there champ, how bout a feat for Deathwing that involves him fighting something and he isn't amped to hell that can compete with a beast bomb.  
Not just flying across the land as a plot device for an expansion.  
 
Like I said convince me with an actual argument for Deathwing's power, because right now not only do I not see how Deathwing has the speed to compete or the actually fire power to harm the Fox. Just saying lava as a weapon isn't all that amazing.
 

 
  
You seem to know a bit about WoW lore and in one of your posts you spoke about the "ridiculous power" of the old gods and the Titans.  You're right, basically those are the god-like entities within the WoW universe.  Before leaving the world, the titans imbued the Dragon aspects with power to defend against the Old Gods.  Five dragons were left to defend against these old gods, so it stands to reason that they had to have been very powerful if they were left behind to compete with the Old Gods if they ever resurfaced, and the strongest of these dragon aspects was Deathwing who was given full control of the earth and it's deep places.
  
In Day of the Dragon , it took all of the remaining dragon aspects empowered by the shattered demon soul (previously dragon soul) to even cause Deathwing any serious harm.  Even then, he was still able to fend them off for awhile, and you know full well the destructive capabilities of the Demon Soul, when Deathwing used it to decimate thousands of Demons and  hundreds of night elves in one fell swoop.  If Deathwing is capable of taking the full brunt of all the other Dragon Aspects attacks combined powered by the Demon soul, then he is more than capable of tanking a beast ball.   Hell, when Deathwing went to steal the Demon soul from  Sargeras, Deathwing tanked the full force of not only Sargeras, but the ENTIRE legion, everything and everyone just pounding down on him but he tanked it kept going until he had the Demon's soul.  You think a beast ball is more destructive than a desperate Serageas (a freaking Titan known as a ravager of worlds) and the entire burning legion wanting to re-enter the world?  Only with the intervention of  the Old Gods were they able to drop Deathwing.  You think that that a beast ball is more powerful than the combined might of Sargeras, the legion AND the old gods?  No Hellos, it is not.  Deathwing is more than capable of tanking those balls.
 
In terms of speed, Deathwing was able to outrun (outfly?) the bloodlusted Apsects empowered by the Demon soul, this shows that he does have the speed to compete with the fox not even taking into consideration the huge advantage he has from the air.  Wonder how good the fox's aim is when the ground beneath him is crumbling and his opponent is circling far above in the air around him.  Do the balls work like homing missiles Hellos?  Do the balls come out quickly one after the other like Hadoken spam in Street Fighter?   I don't see him having much chance of hitting a distant, flying target, with the ground crumbling beneath his feet WHILE being bathed in lava unless they do.  You have yet to make a case for the fox regarding this.
 
Also, during his 10,000 year hibernation, the guy's power has increased ten-fold since then.  Yeah, the same dude that tanked an enraged Titan, the legion, the Old gods and in another instance for a time held off the unleashed powers of the Dragon Aspects and even managed to escape them.
 
Also you keep denying the destructive capabilities of Deathwing, yet in another instance, before the Cataclysm, Deathwing split Grim Batol, a place of renowned evil and energy, almost in half just by flying over it.  Rhonin and Krasus, two very  powerful individuals in the WoW universe, almost died just by being there in Grim Batol.  This shows that Deathwing is also very physically powerful, if the mere flap of his wings are capable of splitting an entire mountain fortress.
 
 @Hellos said:


Tirion had CIS going for him, outside that Arthas had already defeated him and he pulled a win out of his rear. Namely why I dubbed it a DBZ moment. 
Depends on if the dragon flights feel the need to pitch in to kill another member, outside them I don't see any NPC's all that powerful enough to help. Even then I don't see them putting out the same kind of attack power as a Beast Bomb. 

 
 Yes we can surmise about what will happen in-game from here to eternity, the point is that gauging feats from restrictive gameplay is no way to determine a character's feats at all.  Also final bosses jobbing, surprise, surprise.
 
@Hellos said:


I'm still not seeing your point.  
Blizzard is perfectly capable of making any of their bosses or players pull out absurd feats in game. Blizzard does not do this, why vent your rage at me for that? 


Ok Hellos, I'll make what I said as simple as possible so that you can understand.  Name one, just one 3D Superman video-game that faithfully recreates Superman's powers in-game in it's full scope.  Just one Hellos.  Go ahead and look but you won't find it.  There's been tons of games with Superman in it, so why hasn't one come out that enables you to do what he does in the comics?  Because it is next to impossible achieve this from a developer standpoint and a game need to be balanced and geared towards gameplay, not feats.  So for you to look at WoW gameplay and say that that can be a good judge of the full scope of Deathwing's powers is absurd.
 
I'm glad that you know what Blizzard is capable of doing and not doing, especially considering that they are considered top tier developers. You have no evidence or merit to back up your claims yet say "oh Blizzard can do it, they just don't so don't ask me why."  What sense does that make?  You don't even know the difference between graphics and a game's engine and yet you boldly claim what a renowned developer like Blizzard can and can not do with their own game?  Look at Blizzard's cinematics, you think if it was possible to render all of that in-game that they wouldn't have already done it?
 
@Hellos said:


Because Chief is super human himself and Nomad gets tagged plenty in his own game. 
 
They could give Master Chief super speed ingame, it's really not that hard. 
 


Yes the Chief is super human but compared to Nomad in-game with speed activated he looks like a slug.  If someone had no knowledge of MC and played just the game portions of Halo and Crysis, they would all say that Nomad is faster with his suit.  This goes back to my original point that simply looking at things in-game and judging it is not a feasible way to properly determine a character's real feats/strengths.
 
Yes, again with saying what a developer can and can not do with gameplay mechanics.  How many games have you developed Hellos?  You are clearly a pro at developing games, so please tell me how super speed would be integrated into the Proprietary Halo Engine since "it's  really not that hard".  Your words, not mine.  Fact of the matter is Bungie didn't implement it into the game, so it's not there in-game regardless of whether you think it's hard or not.
 

 @Hellos said:


Your not going to try and argue that Blizzard still has the same game from 04 now are you? Because that would be absolutely bonkers.   
But yes other(Some) PC games and console games have a much more realistic appearance to their characters, but thats not what Blizzard was aiming for with WoW at all. Why change a formula that has millions hooked?
 

 
You're again make bold claims, yet you didn't address my original point which was that besides the addition graphical tweaks to make the game look better, what has changed and been  "heavily upgraded" as you put it?  It's the same engine since WoW vanilla came out, so what are all these "heavy upgrades" that you speak of.  I must be bonkers then, because yes it is the same game, with the same type of restrictive gameplay elements that were in the original thus limiting what feats are achievable in-game.   Which shouldn't be used to judge feats anyway.

As a sidenote it doesn't matter if a game looks realistic or cartoonish, the WoW engine is outdated plain and simple, but as you put it, why change something that has been so successful?  So that Blizzard can demonstrate better feats?  Certainly not.
 
@Hellos said: 

One wonders if Deathwing was this unstoppable juggernaut that could create super tsunamis, earthquicks and devastate entire continents with a flex you'd put him up against our helpless friend Nine Tailed Fox that apparently doesn't measure up?
 
 
I'm not denying the feats of the Nine-Tails Hellos, you're the one who's denying Deathwing's simply because it doesn't fit into your argument as to this being a "rapestomp".
 
@Hellos said:

Is there anything here to mention worth while that would be able to harm the Fox who in just Naruto's 6 tailed state has tanked it's own Beast Bomb to the face without so much as noticing or at 8 smashed out of Pein's mini moon with seemingly no ill effects.  
Lets not even go into filler when it was creating it's own fair share of waves and hammering down Pein who was pulling Road Runner tactics. 
I don't see how Deathwings going to avoid being annihilated by something far faster, stronger and seemingly without a set shape to begin with unless you amp him into oblivion.

 
Again the fox can be as fast as he likes, the fact that  Deathwing was able to outrun the empowered, blood-lusted aspects shows that Deathwing is no slouch in the air.  And it's fine to have speed, but how does he utilize it without footing?  And how does he hit a distant flying target raining lava down upon him while the ground crumbles beneath him?  Even if the fox hits him, Deathwing has been shown to be more than capable of tanking attacks of that magnitude and even more so before his power was increased ten fold. 
 
@Hellos said:


"Passionate?  No not at all, I'm pretty mellow actually."  

Your post seems to read off quite a different tune. 
 


You think so?   Hmm, I'm the most laid back person I know, but re-reading my post I understand why you'd come to that conclusion. 
 
@Hellos said:

I honestly don't see the advantage when he doesn't even have any feats worthwile in flight to make me think he can dodge a Beast Bomb when even Orochimaru had to plant himself in the ground being unable to move out of range from in time? 
Whats the point of mentioning age or being cunning that will have absolutely no part to play in this fight?   

See his battle vs the empowered blood lusted Aspects.   Also, can Orochimaru fly? 
 
And as for mentioning his cunning, I already stated that this indicates that the fight will in all likelihood start with Deathwing in the air, thus giving him a huge positional advantage at the start of the battle.  He won't just bull rush the fox. 
Post by K_B (92 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Deathwing vs Nine Tails

@Hellos said:

That doesn't make KJ, Archimonde or later Malygos weak, it just makes them rather under performing, it just makes them rather under performing next to someone that at a fraction of that power as throwing out a tiny ball that obliterates everything in it's path.

Exactly Hellos.  It doesn't make them weak, just that they are not performing at the level expected of them in-game.  Do you honestly think that if Blizzard gave these bosses the godlike abilities that they had in the RTS games and in the story-lines that preceded WoW that anyone would defeat them in WoW?  And again this brings up the point  I made earlier of final bosses jobbing in video games which is hardly something uncommon.  You have yet to address this, and I doubt that you will for obvious reasons.
 

@Hellos

said:


Yes, I just told you I did.
 


Tongue in cheek, nice, adds plenty to your argument.
 

@Hellos

said:

Right before Tirion had his DBZ moment, powered up and saved the day(Always been a fan since I found him as a quest giver in Plague Lands). 
 
Again my main problem is that a bunch of characters(The Heroes!), significantly weaker than the Fox are going to down Deathwing in 10 or 15 minute fight. 

 

You bring up Tirion and his "DBZ moment" in the fight with Arthas and immediately after say that a bunch of weak characters are going to down Deathwing.  You don't think that NPCs will make an intervention in the fight with Deathwing?  The pattern so far has strongly indicated that they will and it will in all likelyhood be an NPC much stronger than Tirion.
 

@Hellos

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Graphics don't have to do much with feats, plenty of 2d game characters out there that display absurdly powerful feats.

Do you not know the difference between graphics and a game's engine?  They are vastly different Hellos.  A game's engine will determine things like physics, how NPCs will react to different scenarios, how a level with interact with that player  and much, much more.  Then you bring up 2D games.  Of course 2D games will have characters with powerful feats because 2D engines allow for much more room for creative and imaginative output from both the developers and the players.  Mario collecting a star and running through almost an entire level for example.  The more advanced the engine, the more stress it places on the hardware so when using a 3D engine (which is much more taxing that 2D ones) developers have to limit what is doable in-game so that the game can be playable.  No one wants to play Halo or WoW or CoD at 5 FPS in 480p now do they?  
 
So for you to come and claim that the a game's engine has nothing much to do with what is achievable in-game in terms of feats is factually wrong.
 

@Hellos

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I think MC is a lot more durable due to that suit to be honest and packs better weapons. Although whats his name from Crysis has a bit more versatility in his suit.  

How is the Chief going to catch Nomad when he has speed on?  How?    But that's not fair because CryEngine allows for Nomad to utilize better feats in-game, but we know that in the bigger picture of things, utilizing story of the Halo univierse that the Chief is actually faster than Nomad even with his suit, but this is not achievable in-game.  Why?  Again due to engine and hardware limitations. 
 

@Hellos

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 It's old, but Blizzard has been heavily upgrading the thing from launch. 


Tell me, besides adding more eye candy (where the term graphics actually apply), what other changes have been made to the engine to allow for better gameplay feats?  This is a quote taken from Blizzard official site:  
 
"Yes, there will be incremental tweaks and updates to the graphics engine in this expansion.  For, example, we've made improvements to the that water is rendered,  We'll announce the exact system requirements closer to the expansion's release."  
 
Nice, you get shiny water.  Heavily upgraded?  I don't think so.  WoW still looks ugly when compared to other PC and even some console games.  Add to the fact that the game is a MMORPG and that doesn't help matters much.
 

@Hellos

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Cinematic Trailer has him flying around chaosing all sorts of hell yes. In actually showing off said power, Deathwing didn't throw anything as potent as a beat ball out of his mouth.

Yes, because actually causing tsunamis and earthquakes and devastating entire nations was not actually shown in the video right?  When he waved his wing I saw a tsunami right after.  Guess Deathwing wasn't the cause for the so-called Cataclysm, must have been some other pissed off dragon.  And instead of having balls in his mouth, Deathwing hurls lava instead, and somehow I have a feeling that that will cause hurt to the nine-tails while staying at a safe vantage from the air.  How is the nine-tails even going to attack without any footing when Deathwing destroys the ground beneath his feet?  Is he going to spin his nine tails around and around and become a Nine-Tail-O-Copter and fire balls from his mouth?
 

@Hellos

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You certainly seem passionate about this dontcha? 
I'm really not seeing an argument here that shows off Deathwings actually power in a fight, mostly a bunch of trying to poke holes in my argument, which is fine, but still, nothing here to make me think he could tank a Beast bomb, much less dodge it.

Passionate?  No not at all, I'm pretty mellow actually.   

I already told you his advantages of flight, ability to control the landscape at will and his lava based attacks.  Not to mention the cunning of a being thousands of years old and the fact that Deathwing is known to survey the battlefield before entering combat.  Where do think he's going to scout from the air or the ground?  Meaning that in all likelihood this fight is going to start with him in the air.  The lack of sound and, quite honestly inaccurate arguments, are stemming from you.
Post by K_B (92 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Deathwing vs Nine Tails

 So basically your whole argument revolves around this whole "oh look a bunch of nobodies beat so and so, therefore that character is weak" and "oh it's not gameplay it doesn't count".  Besides being abc logic, there are major flaws with those arguments on many fronts.

1.  Ever played a game which lets you make a character from scratch?  Wow, The Elder Scrolls, KotOR, Diablo etc etc. Ever see what happens when the next iteration of the game comes out?  The one(s) who defeated the main threat are referred to as chosen adventures/heroes/whatever you want to call them. Going by your logic, all those stories refer to "nobodies" as you put it because they are under the guise of anonymity.  Just because you don't know the persons who are assuming the roles of said heroes, does not mean that within the context of the game they are meaningless, on the contrary, they were the catalyst to set up the next game and in many instances were integral to their respected universes.  Just because you are able to customize that character and put a name to him/her, does not mean that they become nobodies by default.  More specifically in the WoW universe, the band of adventurers while important, play more of a secondary role when facing off against final bosses.  For example, with Illidan, Maiev Shadowsong helped the band of adventurers and with Arthas, it was Tirion Fordring who was the main cause of the then Lich King's defeat.  So even if you stick to your stance that "nobodies defeated previous WoW final bosses, so the bosses by extension must be weak", you'd be hard-pressed to say that Maiev and Tirion are weak and are nobodies by any stretch of imagination within the WoW universe.

2. Then there's the issue of gameplay vs story.  Which one is more reliable for taking feats/abilities especially when it relates to a videogame character? The simple answer is that the story/cut-scenes/cinematics are more reliable than gameplay when showing what a character is capable of doing for one main reason: technical limitations. A very simple and popular example of this is Master Chief from the Halo universe vs Nomad/Psycho from the Crysis universe.  In-game Nomad/Psycho has by far the better gameplay feats than the Chief.  Why is this?  Because the Crysis engine is more advanced that the engine used by Halo and thus allows for many more feats to be achieved in game.  But who would win in a fight?  Go make a thread now on the vine: Nomad/Psycho vs Master Chief and I assure you most of the votes will say that this battle would be a stomp in the Chief's favour.  And if you have any knowledge of Master Chief you would know why. His story portrays him as being much more superior to Nomad in all respects, both from implications from the stories in the games and from the novels.  The WoW engine is very old and very restrictive (being a MMORPG) so basing feats off of gameplay makes even less sense.  From the cinematic trailer in the OP to the feats described in the novels and lore (all authenticated by Blizzard btw) the fox has not shown anything close to that level of destructive power.

3. I find it amusing that you readily ignore what has been implicitly stated in the WoW novels and lore about Deathwing and jump so readily on the "look the gameplay is weak so Deathwing must be weak too" bandwagon.  Guess Master Chief would get owned by Nomad in a heartbeat then.
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Battles » Deathwing vs Nine Tails

@TheLegendaryOne said:
" @k_b: The thing is, though, in World of Warcraft, the most powerful creatures get beaten down by 40 nobodies. Kil'Jaeden, an eredar demon lord, the leader of the Burning Legion and creator of the Lich King, got defeated by little level 70s. "
@k_b said:
" @Hellos said:

" Nine tails rapestomp.  Deathwing's going to be taken down by 20 - 40 nobodies. "

Can you please tell me involving feats and abilities how this would be a rapestomp and not use ABC logic?  Within the WoW universe, contextually those nobodies would be considered heroes with some seriously tricked out gear.  Also, it is not uncommon for final bosses to job to lesser opponents.  But this is already known, right? "
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Battles » Deathwing vs Nine Tails

I'll make a case for Deathwing and the reasons that I think that this is far from a rapestomp.

In terms of destructive capability, Deathwing has the better feats hands down.  His awakening scarred and sundered the entire world, causing earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and tsunamis going so far as to even shift continents.  Hence the name of the new WoW game, Cataclysm.  He basically reshaped the entire world just with his reawakening.  

Deathwing is imbued with the power to control and manipulate the earth and the deep places of the world and has an affinity to lava. He is able to reshape the terrain as he sees fit, which is why he leveled the mountains between rival nations so that there could be war.  He is also able to affect the fertility of soil; this is just to show how far his powers of manipulating the lands are.  His main attack element is lava which he expels from his mouth. 

Deathwing also has the advantage of flight..  This gives him a huge tactical advantage, as he will be free to maneuver the battlefield anyway he chooses.

What's to stop Deathwing from cracking the ground beneath the fox's feet/paws and then bathing him in his lava breath whilst he stays in the air?  Or even submerging him in the lava of the world itself? 
 
This is far from a rapestomp imo.
 

@mr_monday

said:

" You already said who's going to win in the opening ^^

Deathwing:   The massive monstrosity before you rises up like a black, crag-covered mountain....

Nine Tails:  Being the strongest of the nine tailed beasts the Nine-Tails' strength was said to create tsunamis and flatten mountains with just a single swipe from one of its nine tails. 

"

Only this mountain can fly, manipulate and shift the land at will and utilize lava as an attack effortlessly.  Not your everyday mountain, eh?  And I've yet to see the fox accomplish such a feat on-screen, but hey I'll give it to ya nonetheless.
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Battles » Super Sonic(archie comics) vs Zoom

@hitsusatsu11 said:
" @Newdeath: Do you think he can beat Galactus?  "
lol, c'mon hitsu, that's not nice. 
 
Regarding the fight, I'm pretty undecided so far. These two speedsters certainly have very overpowered abilities, not sure which one outdoes the other yet.
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Battles » Goku Vs Superman Solution

SSJjanemba already posted this I believe?  It got locked pretty fast back then. 
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Battles » Deathwing vs Nine Tails

@Hellos said:

" Nine tails rapestomp.  Deathwing's going to be taken down by 20 - 40 nobodies. "

Hellos, you usually give good explanations to back up your arguments, so can you please tell me involving feats and abilities how this would be a rapestomp and not use ABC logic?
 
Within the WoW universe, contextually those nobodies would be considered heroes with some seriously tricked out gear.  Also, it is not uncommon for final bosses to job to lesser opponents.  But this is already known, right?
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Battles » omega shenron vs doomsday

Omega Shenron blasts him out of existence.
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Battles » Deathwing vs Nine Tails


  
  
 
                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              VS
 
 


 
Deathwing:   The massive monstrosity before you rises up like a black, crag-covered mountain of scales and hide. The head is a spade-like terror spiked with cruel red eyes that shine with a frightening malevolence. Rivulets of lava and magma are visible beneath the great wyrm’s scorched scales.  
He cares nothing for honor or nobility, striking with whatever weapons and cunning he has at his disposal, reveling in causing earthquakes and ripping open volcanic fissures.
 
Nine Tails:  Being the strongest of the nine tailed beasts the Nine-Tails' strength was said to create tsunamis and flatten mountains with just a single swipe from one of its nine tails.
With its massive supply of chakra, it can turn its simple roar into a powerful force that can repel and destroy anything within its radius, increase its physical strength to send destructive shockwaves, and fire Tailed Beast Balls .

Two forces of nature go at it.  Battle takes place in Azeroth.
Fight!
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Battles » yamcha vs jaraiya

@Hirako_Fan said:
" @TheLegendaryOne: and wtf pein a Planet buster not even close seriusly men from where did you took that "
Lol I know right.  Guy did two impressive destructive feats that can be considered city busting level and was bleeding out of his ass.  He really needs to eat more...
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Battles » yamcha vs jaraiya

Jiraiya gets owned pretty badly.  Speed blitz and it's over. 
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Battles » The Flash (Wally West) VS Goklu End of Dbz

@TheLegendaryOne said:
" @taichokage: He is an advanced form of gorilla in all aspects.
Sorry, but for some reason I find that sentence funny lol.
 
Oh and I'll go with Goku for this one.
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Battles » Superman and Goku vs Superboy Prime

@hitsusatsu11: 
 
Good post Hitsu, nice to see another perspective on this battle.
 
Regarding if they theoretically fused though, wouldn't Goku still retain his knowledge and and abilities to use KI, except that his powers would now be greatly augmented by Superman's?  Simultaneous Heatvision and Kamehameha ftw?
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Battles » Superman and Goku vs Superboy Prime

@taichokage: 
 
Hmm, alright I'll do you one better, each of them have one side of the Potara earrings!  Edited OP!
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Battles » Ape Goku, Ape Vegata, Ape Nappa Vs Avengers

Thor, Sentry and Hulk make this a stomp.
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Battles » Superman and Goku vs Superboy Prime

 


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           AND
 


 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           VS
 
 

 
 
NO BFR.  Fight takes place on Earth.
 
Fight!
 
Edit: Potara Earrings are available to Goku and Superman and all are blood lusted!
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