They certainly did give the dragon aspects portions of their power, but I would have serious doubts of it being enough to remotely challenge the Old Gods, much less beat any of them in any fashion when the Titans had hell doing it.
In The War of the Ancients, the Dragon Mage Krasus says that if anyone has a chance to stand up against the Old Gods, it would be the Dragon Aspects, thus the reason the old gods divided them:
'Combined, surely all five of the aspects represented a force capable of DEFEATING the elder beings.'-The Sundering Pg 157.
This is supported by the fact that the Old Gods corrupted the most powerful of the Aspects: Neltharion now known as Deathwing, which brough about the division amongst the five aspects.
That would be Deathwing's amped to hell moment, the DS was even too much for Deathwing since it was tearing him apart.
The reason he could brush off their combined power was due to the upgrade it gave him, I really don't have a reason to think he could tank a Beast Bomb without it.
No Hellos, I was referring to after the Demon Soul was shattered, when the other aspects became empowered by it, he was able to fend the off for awhile.
But let's look at other instances where tanked attacks of great magnitude.
In War of the Ancients, he was blasted by the Old Gods, the Burning Legion and Sargeras and survived.
In Day of the Dragon he took on all four aspects even after the shattering of the Demon Soul and they had been empowered and held them off until his escape.
At the end of the Second War, He took the combined power of the the most powerful Magi in Azeroth.
He also took on Khadgar backed by the Book of Medivh and escaped the destruction of Draenor.
And the Demon Soul has been shown to be a destructive item having nothing to do with durability, in fact, the Demon Soul was counter productive to DW's durability because it was ripping him apart.
All of that is PIS? Is it PIS because it conflicts with your arguments? There is more evidence suggesting that Deathwing is capable of withstanding attacks of such magnitude than against. Show me stronger or better evidence that he can't rather than your personal opinion.
Where in my statement did I say that he easily got hold of the DS? My whole argument was to show the scale of attacks that he has SHOWN to be capable of withstanding. And like I stated before only with the intervention of the Old Gods did he drop the Demon Soul. Again provide proof or evidence of your claims rather that crying "PIS, PIS".
You make it sound like Deathwing easily got a hold of the DS from the Burning Legion while it was in use, he nearly died getting to the DS. Hell he couldn't even hold onto the damn thing.
Even then it comes off as PIS for Deathwing to be tanking anything Sargeras can dish out.
As far as I know, no there aren't any homing missles outside the Ninja Storm 2 game. Although the enraged and under the influence of the Fox Naruto was showing impressive accuracy with his attacks, including the Beast Bomb.
Theres also nearly stabbing baby Naruto with his giant claw with pinpoint accuracy awsell.
That and I'm still missing where Deathwing has speed feats to think he can dodge anything thrown at him.
Baby Naruto was an immobile object, so I don't think that would have been a difficult target for anyone to hit. And doesn't the fox have to charge his balls?
The fact that DW was dodging for blood lusted aspects and managed to escape shows that he has the aerial abilities to dodge balls from an opponent whose footing will be unstable or near gone.
Your honestly going to believe Deathwing can take on Sargeras under his own power now are you?
Never did I say or imply such sentiments. Your implications are becoming more and more out there. I said that he was able to withstand the combined assault of Sargeras and the entirety of the burning legion to show that he is capable of withstanding the balls from the fox. Deathwing did not engage Srageras as much as it was a hit and run, but he withstood attacks that dwarf what the Nine Tails has been shown to be capable of.
It just shows Deathwing can manipulate the Earth, not so much the actual power behind those wings considering he'd be launched into orbit long before he's start splitting the Earth.
Yes Hellos, because when we're debating fictional characters from fictional universes with ridiculous feats by our standards, we apply real world physics right? This is something that should already be known to you.
I said CIS not jobbing. Terrax is an example of a jobber, CIS is a standard that stops many fictional villians from outright killing their opponents.
Arthas already had beaten the Raid and Tirion, he just got hit with CIS so Tirion god his second wind from god in the process.
Yes, this again. And I was referring to the possibilites of who would show up for the DW fight, hence the word "surmise". Prove to me that gameplay is a more legitimate source of proving a character's skills and abilities rather than from the authenticated lore of that respective universe. I have already shown you the discrepancy that exists between MC and Nomad.
So exactly how many Superman themed games are directly based off his comic book incarnation and not animated television series or crappy movies? As far as I know, all of them also take place outside of the comic book's actual continuity.
Again, blame Blizzard for how they are depicting the character's level of power in the game. Thats part of the reason I dropped WoW.
You know Hellos, a simple google search would have sufficed to show you that there ARE Superman games based on the comics. And even the ones based on the TV series are not able to emulate what is done in the source material (I mean superman drowning, seriously?), so what really is your point here? You have failed to give me an ample example of a Superman videogame emulating his feats, but you wouldn't deny the feats available to Superman. When DW is involved however, you quickly dismiss his feats that were achieved in the Blizzard authenticated novels, crying "PIS", "PIS", with nothing to back you up save your own opinion and a disturbing lack of any solid evidence.
And I should blame Blizzard for how they develop a successful gameplay formula? I mean obviously their current formula is working for them, why would they go out of their way to change it? How does this in anyway add to what you're saying? Sorry to burst your bubble pal, but the main of reason for making videogames for Activision Blizzard is to make money and not live up to your unrealistic fantasies. It's good that you quit WoW though, waste of time.
Well I'm glad your glad I guess, honestly I don't remotely see how what I'm saying is so unbelievable in the first place.
As for rendering the cinematics in game, which ones?
Shooting down bears as a dwarf, snowing outside Iron Forge as said dwarf climbs the hill, Druid shape shifting like crazy and jumping off hills making splashes, an Orc using cleave with a two handed mace surrounded by fire, blocking animations while said characters fight?
Yes, I do believe we had that.
Arthas stabbing Frostmourne Ice Lake in half and resurrecting Sindragosa do able infront of players? Yes I do believe thats also quite doable for the developement team.
I find it strange that you would compare shooting a bear to resurrecting Sindragosa. Do you not see a discrepancy between those two things Hellos? I really don't know how to respond to this kind of comment.
Perhaps they would, but they would still know MC would maul him in a fight.
Unbelievable, you actually conceded to a point that was made clear as day when I initially brought it up. But "perhaps"? I am thinking you never played Crysis. If your rig is too weak to run it, go YouTube some vids so you see the vast difference in the movement speeds of MC and Nomad (with speed activated). And how would they know if they are basing their feats on gameplay, Hellos? Nomad can punch down trees with his bare hands and even some buildings in gameplay with strength activated, anyone not blinded by fanboy goggles and basing their opinions solely on gameplay would go with Nomad here.
Change the .05 to .1 or to 1.
If they wanted MC to be running around like a bullet timer, they could do it. But I would assume the success of the franchise itself would be hurt by such a move.
Most FPSers aren't going to be dodging bullets. It would also hurt the laughable top 10 kill videos and Red Vs Blue series.
I see, so now you're an expert on code. The guy who didn't know the difference between graphics and a game's engine is now talking about code. The startling irony of this is that you say that I should "blame Blizzard for how they depict a character's level of power in the game" and then almost IMMEDIATELY AFTER, come and say that if Bungie were to do the SAME THING to MC in the Halo franchise that it might hurt the brand. Incredible, so it's okay for Bungie to do it but not Blizzard. One of the reasons that WoW is so popular along with ALL Blizzard titles, is that their games are able to be run by users who are on low end to mid range machines. If they put all the crap you want them to put into the game, obviously that would cause a huge performance hit, and eliminate MOST of the fanbase, or at least deter them because they do not meet the system requirements. But no I should "blame Blizzard" and not Bungie because we don't want Bungie to hurt their franchise. Try making a feasible argument where you don't conflict yourself next time.
Nothing is all that bold about what I'm saying. Especially with the new phasing mechanic they have in place for questing for example.
Yeah I guess it's the exact same game from when I was playing it in Vanilla. Still having server wide lag in which I can cross the Ocean into an invisible wall, Server Crashes, no weather effects or fluffy cloads / night and day, ridiculously simple dungeon runs with moronic AI's, laughable animations for attacks and hosts of bugs or other small changes to the actually game's appearance or actual engine.
Honestly if it was the same game from 06 with the content it has now, it would unplayable.
Same game, new coat of paint. Yep, they tweaked the game alright and patched it to fix balance and bug issues, but how does that make it a new game? Besides story, loot, levels and quests, the core gameplay remains the same because it's tied down to the same engine and formula. And that is the main issue of discussion in relation to gameplay that we're having here. Not about bugs and server issues, but about what the game engine is capable of achieving in terms of feats on-screen. It staggers me how people don't become bored of doing the same thing over and over. But I guess people like filing up bars and collecting loot.
I'm still waiting to hear some feats that don't sound like they are being powered by PIS or said character being amped into oblivion and then assuming what they could tank as a result.
Nope, I've alredy provided my evidence from source material. Now it's your turn to prove me wrong, not the other way around and crying "PIS", "PIS".
See thats where we disagree, I don't know if Deathwing can tank that kind of power, even with this obscure 10x more powerful sticker your placing on him.
I've already shown that he can, but you continue to cry "PIS" without showing evidence to the contrary.
As I've stated numerous times before, after the Demon Soul was shattered, and the other aspects became empowered, he fended them off for a time until he got overwhelmed and managed to escape the other 4 bloodlusted aspects. It took four dragon aspects and a broken demon soul to beat deathwing, now, he's ten times stronger because in the events leading up to the Cataclysm, the whisperings of the Old Gods have gotten worse and the growing influence of the Old Gods has magnified Deathwing's power ten-fold. @Hellos said:
Amped to hell or when he was running for it and went into hiding?
Does he need to?
Does not being able to fly make him any slower or weaker even when he's chucking the Fox away with a super streched neck and endlessly long sword into the Bridge a mile away?
No he doesn't need to, but flight is usually considered to be an advantage in most scenarios.
Flight might be a strategic advantage, but normally unless stated otherwise the characters aren't flying around at the start of a fight and are placed relatively close to one another.
Which if the Fox gets ahold of Deathwing before he even gets off the ground leads into more of a mess.
"Might be"? Flight will prove to be a major hassle to the fox while his footing is being taken from underneath him with DW's earth manipulation.