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Battles » Hinata Hyuga vs Rangiku Matsumoto

After all that debate on the other thread i thought I would take the liberty and make this thread so no more smack talking, guys, time to debate (You know who im talking to, lol)

Rules:

1. In character

2. Fighters start 5 meters away

3. no knowledge or prep

4. fight takes place in Karakura town (Fake)

VS

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Battles » Sanji vs Shunsui Kyaraku

Saw this on OBD

Two playboys going at it!

1. Bloodlusted

2. 5 meters away

3. Pre-timskip Kyoraku (He currently has no feats anyway.)

4. Timeskip sanji

5. Fight takes place in Albasta

VS

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Battles » Naruto vs Renji

@The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk said:

I think it's funny that Kubo decided that Renji's bankai was misinforming him this whole time...

Oh Kubo....

Renji gets murked in this fight though

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Battles » Byakuya Kuchiki (Post-Timeskip) vs Itachi (Prime)

Itachi, Byakuya can't get past Susanoo, Itachi activated that thing before lightning could strike him and that was while dying.

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Battles » Perfect Cell vs Laharl (Disgaea)

@Saladking: Human world is just another dystopia, not a whole universe, we have seen human world before and there is even an episode called conqueror Earth ending in which you see Human world depicted as such. I also don't think all ending are canon, for example in Disgea Hour of darkness you can pick a different ending and ultimately Flonne's future however considering Flonne shows up as a Fallen Angel in both direct sequels (in addition to other games), the Good Ending is the one most people consider canon. Not every ending is canon hence, the True, good, and bad endings this is the same for most games. You could argue the Prinny games but since most of the later cameo appearances feature Fallen Angel Flonne and Overlord Laharl, I say Good ending is canon. Prinny game takes place in a "What if.." universe in the normal ending. So really there is only one canon ending.

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Battles » Perfect Cell vs Laharl (Disgaea)

And believe me, guys, if you thought this battle was long then you have not seen any Final Fantasy vs Nipponverse threads, or .hack, now those go for pages...

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Battles » Perfect Cell vs Laharl (Disgaea)

@Saladking: I recently beat 3 and am currently playing 4. Aren't only 1 of the ending cannon? Even so that was evil Mao who charged up and exploded with anger, normally he is only galaxy level in both destructive ability and durability and honestly above Laharl IMO that or equal. Either way laharl did not stalemate the same Mao that blew up that area, he fought a good Mao who is drastically weaker. And about blowing up the universe it really dependings on how one interprets his bad ending it describes Evil Mao destroying the Netherworld, the Human world and Celestia--which all but Celestia being considered a planet in Disgaea, afterward, it noted that "everything" has disappeared, Disgaea cosmology dictates that those 3 aren't everything. So that could also be interpenetrated as multi-planet level, I'm going with the former of those. Laharl still wins, I don't think Cell can beat him but Buu and Battle of God level characters like Bills and SSG Goku can likely beat him as they should be galaxy level at that point.

Hell Bills was plainly stated to be able to destroy the solar system if they made him mad and Whis comments on the fact that if the main cast were to anger Bills further, he’d be liable to destroy the rest of the solar system, given he’s been the God of Destruction [a job that entails he destroy various planets to maintain order and balance across the universe] for what appears to be millenia, its rather likely the backstory has him doing just this at one point or another, thus Whis’ statement isn’t without basis.

@Kurohige: Cell loses but I can EASILY see why you would think he doesn't if we don't use any game mechanics at all then yeah he should win, or at least have a chance, after all Nipponverse is I believe the only verse in which gameplay mechanics are allowed, if not for that then yes Cell would have a chance. As for your proof, Laharl defeated Tyrant Baal (A Galaxy buster and whos energy ripples throughout space like most Overlord-class characters), also easily destroyed two million space battleships, characters weaker than him can star system and galaxy bust [like Darkdeath Evilman] If you want on-screen-storymode-only feats for Laharl doing such thing, well, plainly put: there are none. But it is widely accepted that he can do those things, much like your calcs (That I completely agree with btw.) are widely accepted on other forums and maybe here. Logically and based on how that series works, that is what he can do. now if we used anime only Laharl Cell wins, and maybe if we used cinematics only. However right now Cell loses low-mid difficulty.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Jojo runs the vampire gauntlet

@taichokage: Yeah that is true, or Josuke with matter manipulation, Vanila ice.

This battle has potential, I can see it working if you restrict Alucard's restriction releases, Buffy's omnipotence (Which I'm sure was a given), and re-arrange them. Because honestly some of these guys are worse than others. For example Kain is fine where he is at but Dracula as only number 2? Save omnipotent Buffy Dracula is way above anyone on that list. Personally i would put

1. Kain

2. Buffy (No omnipotence/ Certain arc)

3. Alucard (No restriction releases and pre-Schrodinger)

4. Vampire Hunter D

5. Dracula

They may not clear but they make it past the first 3. I would have also made it so that the sun would affect all the vampires ie instant death so that the sun coming up would have more meaning. Lastly when putting them up against beings like this, or anyone in a gauntlet like this, ALWAYS give them knowledge and prep, a Jojo's, especially Joseph's best weapon. Just my two cents because I can really see this fight working, or at least not being a stomp. I don't blame you too much as there are not a lot of vampires to pick form that are good for this fight and Jojo fights are universally unusual to place and often result in a stomp one way or the other, especially these two who only have the advantage in reaction time.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Marco & Ace Vs Doflamingo & Law

@luthluth: Lol, Marco himself fought on par with Kizaru, Doflamingo is not soling.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Perfect Cell vs Laharl (Disgaea)

Can somebody show me Laharl star busting? I have only play up to Disgea 3, and outside of finishers I don't recall him ever doing such a thing, and from sites I've been on he is only clocked at casual planet level. Does anyone have any actual footage of Laharl destroying the stars? Yes or no? It seems like the problem with this battle would be solved if somebody showed something. Is Laharl shown on-screen star busting outside a finisher?

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Battles » Specialist Tourney Round 2: Battle 1

@Galenbeta: Well PM Speed about it.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Specialist Tourney Round 2: Battle 1

@SMXLR8: Yeah I have been around since Newdeath and then first came, I just have been MIA for months.

@Galenbeta: I don't think FTL reaction time is against the rules though. FCK can read the minds of multiple people and replicate the abilites....

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Battles » Specialist Tourney Round 2: Battle 1

@Galenbeta: Do you know the Crimson King's ability? - Mibu Blood Soldiers: With just even a few drops of his blood, the FCK can create hundreds of human sized blood soldiers. They are basically blood logia that continuously regenerate and can only be put down for good by Mibus, Muramasa's weapons, or by killing the FCK. They are strong enough to fight, damage, and be a threat to even Shiseiten level characters.

- Absorption: The FCK can re-absorb two of his Red Cross Knights, increasing his combat stats many times over. He also has complete control over the lives of all other Mibu battle dolls. He can seal away their souls with a single gesture.

- Sekireigan (and Sekireigan Duplex): By activating this skill, his speed will be multiplied dramatically using Godspeed, creates illusions of himself, and can manipulate time. Sekireigan Duplex's speed boost is twice as large as that of the regular Sekireigan.

- Creation and Disintegration of Matter: The FCK can create objects out of thin air such as swords, dressers, clothes, umbrellas, etc from at least a dozen meters away. He is also capable of disintegrating objects he touches with his hands.

- Phenomenon Face: The FCK reads the opponent's mind. In doing so, he can discover who his opponent fears, dislikes, loves, respects, thinks is the strongest, etc. The FCK then transforms into the image of a person his opponent has in their mind, with all the combat stats and abilities according to what his opponent believes about that person. This technique responds to thoughts even deep in the subconscious of an opponent. So trying to fool the technique on a conscious level is futile. This technique works on groups too (Kubira used it against three people with no trouble). To defeat the technique, the opponent must overcome their beliefs about the person on a subconscious level.

- Mumyo Jinpu Ryu Techniques: The FCK has mastered all techniques of the Mumyo Jinpu Ryu. He is capable of using triple versions of the beast god attacks.

- Genshiso: The FCK first hypnotizes the opponent's mind, making them think they have been dealt a fatal blow. In doing this, the FCK is then able to devour their soul.

- Energy Projectiles: The FCK can fire arrows of energy from his hand. These arrows are powerful enough to instantly kill Fubuki.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Specialist Tourney Round 2: Battle 1

@Galenbeta: Former Crimson King is also really hax and FTL

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Specialist Tourney Round 2: Battle 1

@Galenbeta: Problem is it wont matter with Bites The dust since everything is restarted and only he will have memories of the even and will know what to do, not mention Kazuma, HG, and other can blitzs before that boost happens. Hol Horse has a range of about 50 meters with invisible bullets he can controll and has infinite ammo, and Zebra who is well over triple digit mach speeds and his roar wills tun the opponents as well, he attacks also have large area of effect and he has country level durability. You team lacks the defense and speed, your team only has hax really which is not always enough. Also this plan seems to require prep. And with kakyoin's barrier your team wont be able to move without blowing up regardless of speed difference since you can't see his Stand. Good fight but you lost here.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Specialist Tourney Round 2: Battle 1

@Galenbeta: Not really, he can't do it at will or anything, it must make a specific condition in order to do that, it's not like Dio or something and I don't think that would be grade A lol

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Specialist Tourney Round 2: Battle 1

@Galenbeta: Well in addition to speed nobody on your team can actually SEE the stands so even if they are light speed (Although Killer Queen and HG have FTL feats) your team still can't actualy see them and react. Killer Queen can turn anything into a bomb and detonate it, that applies to even air as well, so it is possible he can blow up the barrier, not to mention bites the dust which is activated once Kira reveals himself and makes eye contact, it kills whoever he uses it on and rewinds time 24 hours. Kakyoin can make a large barrier that blows up whoever touches the strings too. Kazuma is one of the main problems here depending on which version, if it's manga then barriers wont be a problem at all.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Specialist Tourney Round 2: Battle 1

@othus12 said:

speed won like on page 3 lol

Ditto

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Specialist Tourney Round 2: Battle 1

@Galenbeta: @SpeedForceSpider: @Kurohige: There are some mis-understandings on Stands here; Stands can only be seen or affected by other Stands, the only thing that is made spiritually or from life force is the Stand's appearance as it is meant to take after it's user, the Stand itself is not really made of anything, the reason only Stand users can see or affect most Stands is because the Stands are not really there in a sense, they have ranges and level of strength but that is all mental not physical, it's like saying you can grab another person's thoughts or something, you just can't. Really all Hierophant Green (Or any Stand really) is is a image created by the user;s spiritual energy (Or life force) as such whatever damage the user takes the Stand takes and vice versa. Even Poltergeist and other supernatural things in the JJBA world cannot see or affect Stands. It would be NFL to say NOTHING can affect a Stand outside another Stand but you have to have a pretty specific power. I am not picking sides or saying who wins, but Galenbeta you are mis-informed on how Stands work, note that I am not saying that dimension ability wont work or anything, but I am saying that your idea of Stands is wrong. Scans were even posted a page back. You were kinda ignoring post and putting whatever you want into the argument, this is the same reason people don't want to post with you in your RP thread, you ignore things and don't fully grasp what you are debating with. Even in the wikia and the creator himself states these rules:

General Stand RulesEdit

  • A Stand protects its user, like a guardian. The name comes from "standing by" the user, sometimes using their powers without direct orders in order to protect the user, and by extension, themselves.
  • A person can only have one Stand, though that Stand can go through metamorphosis to evolve (Echoes, for example).
  • As a Stand is part of the user, damage is reflected between the two. In most circumstances, if the Stand's leg is sliced off, the user will lose their leg as well. Some Stands, such as the armor of Silver Chariot, are immune to this effect.
  • Stands can only be seen by Stand users. There are exceptions, but only with Stands that are bound to physical objects (for example, Strength and Yellow Temperance).
  • Stands can only be affected by other Stands.
  • The further the Stand is from its user, the weaker the Stand becomes, with most only being capable of acting within three meters. Some exceptions are Hierophant Green and Highway Star.
  • Stands are usually bound to the user's body, but exceptions are abound, such as Wheel of Fortune being bound to a car, and The Fool being bound to sand.
  • As Stands are just images created by energy, the users are able to shrink them, mostly to enter the body of the opponent and attack its inside. Staying small, however, is very hard and takes a lot of energy.
  • Most Stands have no personal goals, serving their master without question. Stands who don't have users will generally go wild, such as Notorious B.I.G. and Anubis. Some Stands show personality, speaking to others besides their master, but most still serve their master without question. An exception to this rule can be Silver Chariot Requiem.
  • The first Stands in the JoJo Universe are named after the Major Arcana of the Tarot and Egyptian Gods. From near the end of Part III onwards, stands were named after musical bands, albums, and songs. In Part VI, many stand users are named after fashion labels.
  • In Part VII: Steel Ball Run, Stand mechanisms have changed; they no longer appear in battle (only appearing once when involved, such as Tusk) and the user does the attacking instead. Stands also look less human and more of them are conscious and can actually talk to their owners (e.g.Poco Loco's unnamed stand).

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » The 7 Samurai VS. The 7 Deadly Sins

I think the samurai are being underestimated here; these guys cuts mechs like butter as well as cut and deflect giant bullets fired by said mechs. With only 10 lives they can win scenario 2 and with standard lives, with some difficulty, they win scenario 1.

Scenario 1

1. Homunculous Standard amount of lives

2. Battle starts from 20 feet away

3. Battle is at dawn

5. Battle is in urban city

6. Samurais get 2 days prep

7. All out battle

With 2 days of prep but no knowledge they can't really prepare accordingly, however if they know it's going to be a battle they can easily prepare for extreme threats with Heihachi's help, however with the fight at dawn the samurai would need to quickly take out Pride before it gets dark, since they are in a urban city there are likely many alley ways for Pride to hide and attack however with their prep they can likely get access to some heavy machinery such as large guns and traps. Plus with their strength they can likely parry and knock away Pride's shadows. All in all I am undecided on this part, it could go either way.

Scenario 2

1. No prep

2. Each fighter starts 10 feet apart

3. Fighters are in character

4. Homunculous only get 10 lives (Except Wrath who only gets one.)

4. One on one with the following match-ups:

Shimada kambe VS. Greed

Greed felt attacks from Wrath while in armor, I think kambe should be able to slice right through it, he is also much faster and more skilled than Wrath who took him down. kambe wins this easily.

Okamoto Katsushiro VS. Envy

Evny just sucks even in his giant form, he gets cut to bits over and over.

Kikuchiyo VS. Sloth

Kiku, stronger and can take more.

Katayama Gorobei VS. Wrath

Gorobei

Hayashida Heihachi VS. Gluttony

Heihachi is too smart for him and too fast.

Shichiroji VS. Lust

He was on part with Kambei

Kyuzo VS Pride

Kyuzo is faster and at dawn he has a chance.

I will make a more detailed argument later but Samurai should win.

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