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Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gremmy vs Dangai Komamura

@DBZ_universe: Please tell me how Gremmy will last a whole 20 minuets when that fight with him and Kenpachi was maybe like 15? If Komamura just keeps on attacking Gremmy will have used all his enerygy and resources before the 10 minuet mark, he cna't put Komamura down while Komamura can arguably one-shot, not to mention Komamura is vastly more intelligent than Gremmy or Zaraki.

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gremmy vs Dangai Komamura

@DBZ_universe: Gremmy could do nothing to harm Kenpachi and he wont be able to do anything to Komamura. Lol, Komamura blew her up all the way across the Soul Society, she was pretty much dead until her sisters came to help her, he was only taken out by his time limit. That girl one-shotted shinji, a senior captain and visord. Bambi would destroy pre-training Knepachi and arguably be able to blow him up post training, does Knepachi have any defense against being tunred into a bomb? Because Gremmy's self destruct did some damage to him and Bambi's bombs should be far more potent and lethal. Nevertheless Gremmy can't last 30 minuets nor has anytihng to put Komamura down.

@Saladking: Basically a low tier reality warper, can create meteors at will, turn people's bones into cookies, open up a small portal to space, and imagine himself completely healed if he is close to dying.

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Zebra, Toriko, Tengu Vs Recoome and Zarbon

Ya know this very same kinda fight was one the lounge and honestly it looks like Toriko high tiers make it up to Frieza level, it's a good read and laugh: http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/could-anyone-from-toriko-take-on-the-ginyu-force-323870/

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gremmy vs Dangai Komamura

@taichokage: I don't see how Komamura can't one-shot, I have seen nothing that puts Kenpachi's pre-released patch state above Komamura's bankai power. Kenpachi was halted by a technique that was simply said to be stronger than steel (Something he dealt with when he fought Nnoitora, of course it was not going to work) Not to mention with Gremmy's imagination it was not hard to picture stopping a normal looking blade like that. However with Komamura seeing a gigantic blade coming down on your head will be a bit harder to picture stopping with your body. I dunno about healing himself since Gremmy did that only after Kenpachi opened his mouth, he was bleeding out from those few slashes, Komamura could arguably cut him in half on the first swing. Gremmy will become disastrous after all his attacks fail on Komamura, the only thing he needs to worry about is BFR but Zaraki himself simply pulled himself out of it and even resisted going in there for a bit, I'm pretty sure something of Komamura's bankai size can put up a bit of resistance or pull him out if needed, also that thing was not even big enough to fit all og Komamura and his bankai in and it still costed a lot of energy to do. I see Gremmy going down before he even gets that far, Komamura just walks through everything he does causing Gremmy to panic since unlike Kenpachi who destroyed a majority of Gremmy attacks, Komamura will be completely unfazed. I doubt Gremmy will be able to concentrate on his own durability when dropping meteors and Komamura just cuts him right through the meteor aftermath. And Komamura has a whole 20 minuets of complete invincibility, Gremmy has not shown to be able to fight for that long after using his techniques and he is not gonna be able to outrun Komamura, not to mention he has not understanding of how Dangai Komamura works making it even worse, this wont be too much different from Kenpachi's fight honestly.

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » CAV: SpeedForceSpider vs Kurohige

Guyver Exceed for those who don't know the difference

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » CAV: SpeedForceSpider vs Kurohige

@Jinbeifan1: Just to be clear: The Guyver and Guyver Gigantic (The ones being used in this battle) cannot use the psudo-black holes, only Guyver Exceed can and as stated in the OP that form is banned here. Although, I suggest instead of allowing Guyver to access Gigantic the OP should be edited to just make Guyver 1 Guyver Gigantic by default since it is just everything the Guyver is but amplified 1,000 fold anf the Gigantic is just, well, a Guyver for the Guyver, it can be summoned from another dimension instantly at any time so might as well make it a default since Sho/ Guyver would do that anyway by that point in the manga. . Also the black hole destroyed in the scan was caused by Guyot, he is able to create a pseudo-black hole that exhibits 7 thousand exatons of super heavy gravity. Just to give you an example of how strong that is:

Ton (1)

Kiloton (1,000)

Megaton (1,000,000)

Gigaton (1,000,000,000)

Teraton (1,000,000,000,000)

Petaton (1,000,000,000,000,000)

1 Exaton (1,000,000,000,000,000,000)

Zettaton (1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)

a terraton is already bording country level and this guy can create 7 exatons of gravitational force his gravity control can simulate a singularity with a mass of 7E24 kilograms, to make a five meters black hole with mass that is somewhat greater than Earth's. Guyver's Mega smasher destroyed that.

Guyver also took on A super-intelligent skyscraper-sized dragon made of essentially cancer cells who can control the minds of an entire city at once, absorb anything he touches, block attacks with a forcefield, and fire city-busting lasers (along with rapid-fire building-buster missiles that ignore barriers). Guyver could have taken it out easily in one shot but it turned into a grueling battle (though partly because Guyver kept taking hits for innocent bystanders), then his opponent ate a bunch of people to go One Winged Angel and heal all his injuries. He then charged the citybuster, forcing Guyver to risk using "Gravity Implosion" before he could fire (to protect the inhabitants more than himself). It basically removes a section of space from existence with great precision, killing his opponent and negating his attack without harming anything else. He didn't use it before then because it had a long charging time and had too much collateral damage.

But Kurohige pointed most of this out already Gigantic Guyver's durability should be town level.

@SMXLR8: Sorry, not trying to debate I was just clearing some thing up since a bit of Kurohige's post may have caused confusion for those who have not read Guyver. A lot of people are mistaken when it comes to Guyver's abilities and physical prowess. I was just clarifying some things already in Kurohige post so that everyone knew what was going on. Sorry if I derailed a bit.

@Kurohige: @SpeedForceSpider: Looking good you two, I can't wait to see the outcome, hax vs power, very interesting matchup.

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Grimmjow vs EMS Sasuke Uchiha

@Zerogodlike said:

@Justice said:

@Zerogodlike: Dude, the thing is legit country level in final form, even Pain was city busting and Deidara was gonna wipe out the entire Sand village, look at the map Kurohige posted. The Juubi was nuking the Leaf like nothing, keep in mind most of the blast was in the sky so the power was likely far greater. I think that the bleach verse would lose in a random encounter but not if they were prepared. But the Juubi is country level. Lastly, being a member on the Lounge Forums that Los Noches thing is still being debated and kinda debunked at this point, it's not Texas sized at all.

Umm the calc has already been debated here and its small country sized to large island. Their is nothing wrong with the calc and nothing their to disprove it besides Bleach Cant be that strong non sense.

@Zerogodlike:

Post an actual argument or don't bother, I just debunked the Lanza claim, you must have stopped reading after the what if Nel thing, where did Nel say how big it was? She stated how long it would take to walk XD read my post again. Nobody said Juubi was mach 3000 lol, I said he bijuudama was, why are you bringing up OBD? There is no pixel scaling here. 100% calc LOL that cal was debunked even on that site, you didn't even understand it, you just found something that went with your argument and posted it. Prove Yama's attack is that hot, you can see the crater was deep but not enough to one-shot something as big as Juubi. Lol KS is going to work on something that shrugs off planetary mindarap, plus Shinji already demonstrated confusing the senses doe snot work when your opponent blows up everything around you. You are mistaken if its only statements, it was backed up, again read the post, it nuked the entire leaf, which is huge going by the map of the nations, easily country size.

Who cares how many agree with me,lol, think for yourself, bring a actual debate with scans and feats or don't waste my time. You clearly did not read all my post and just skimmed through it and missed HUGE points like the size of Los Noches. If you continue to just ignore most of what I say I'm just gonna stop debating with you. Read my post again carefully.

Love how you want to dodge the calc any way that you can Its that size and theirs nothing to Deprove it besides lol lol bleach cant be that strong. Glad you gave up maybe you will stop copy and pasting arguments from the movie codec and downplaying bleach Have a nice day.

That's not true; supernova made that thread, which was copied form the lounge and even then there was no discussion, he was the one who started saying "Just because you guys think Bleach can't be that strong" argument http://www.animevice.com/las-noches/23-996/size-of-las-noches-and-destructive-power-of-ulquiorra/97-343948/. There was hardly a discussion there and it never reached a conclusion. As Kurohige pointed out and as pointed out at the Lounge that feat is inconsistent and folly, you are going by Nel's statements of walking not taking into account anything else, like the ride they got there, how fast they were going, and the fact that many reached it within a day, even the humans. You guys are simply working with Nel's statement, and even then it was stated that it would take an average of 27 days to walk across something like Texas, nowhere close to a simple 3 days, keep in mind Nel was going by her speed, not someone as fast as bankai Ichigo. There is just too must inconsistency to say it is country size. Nel's statement still doesn't calculate the size of los Noches anyway. Also Aizen could not even do that much at full power because we saw exactly what he could do. I love Bleach but Lanza is not country level, large city or island level, but not country. As it stands a full power Juubi should win if the Bleach characters don't have prep. I also have a account on Movie codec, well 2 since one was banned for a dumb reason.

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Grimmjow vs EMS Sasuke Uchiha

@Zerogodlike: Dude, the thing is legit country level in final form, even Pain was city busting and Deidara was gonna wipe out the entire Sand village, look at the map Kurohige posted. The Juubi was nuking the Leaf like nothing, keep in mind most of the blast was in the sky so the power was likely far greater. I think that the bleach verse would lose in a random encounter but not if they were prepared. But the Juubi is country level. Lastly, being a member on the Lounge Forums that Los Noches thing is still being debated and kinda debunked at this point, it's not Texas sized at all.

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Sternritter "V" vs. Shukuro Tsukishima

@taichokage said:

That's if he cuts him. It took Yachiru a few tries and Tsukishima does not have her instincts.

The only thing we know is that Isane wouldn't react in the same way. The assumption that you need to be Kenpachi or Yachiru to have a shot at tagging V is ridiculous. Reaction time was stressed by V himself, and can clearly make up for a tendency if need be. Besides, things like killing intent and Reiatsu natures have been stressed for a long time. I see no reason why a solid Captain level wouldn't be able to replicate/exceed what Yachiru did.

Not only that but it only worked be abuse her shikai has extended range, also something Tsukishima doesn't have.

V barely avoided a punch from a little girl arm. If she had her sword at the time she'd have stabbed him in the head. Tsukishima's reach is more than enough, and he has more feats in terms of base stats.

At the same time, Yachiru is taking a Stern Ritter alone whereas many captains have double teamed them, either with their Vice Captain or in Mask and Bambietta's case 2 captains.

And there's no reason to equate V with Mask, Bambietta, or anyone else who actually has more than just a good ability. V's ability is the only impressive thing about him, everything else is just awful.

Also Renji/Rukia proved that they are stronger than many of the the Captains. They are an exception in that they had the best training, but Yachiru is the Vice Captain of the strongest squad.

I certainly hope you aren't implying that Yachiru is anywhere near Rukia and Renji.

The 5th seat beat a Vice Captain and the 3rd seat is nearly Captain level with a bankai.

Ikkaku is mediocre as far as I'm concerned. But yeah, the 11th has some solid lower seats for sure.

Yachiru should easily be captain level

Based on what? SR are clearly not equal, and V in particular is so wildly unimpressive that there's no reason to hype Yachiru up by large power gaps because she trashed him (seemingly anyway).

and I always thought she would be the strongest Vice Captain.

Which puts her above Tsukishima?

Also this ability is arguably the most hax one so far. He removes the very memory of his existence and his physical existence at will. That's incredibly broken.

And yet he doesn't use it well. Even if he does, his attacks are pathetic, giving his opponent an opportunity to kill him.

I'm sure all SR are at Captain level based on the 12th division's report. That, however is a huge range and by no means places Guenhael as equal to someone who forced Byakuya to his limits.

The only way i see V winning is if he is bloodlusted, then he could win this by simply using his third power, first power, and second power in that order ad infinitum.

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Toph vs Hidan

@Kurohige said:

@Saladking said:

@Kurohige:

Too bad its not that easy for her to do, if it was she would have soloed Azula

She probably needs her opponents to stand still which a bloodlusted Hidan won't do.

Azula was an expert bender with knowledge of everyone on Aang's team by that point, she knew about Toph and earthbending in general so she knew how to avoid and counter her bending. Azula also took on Aang, Zuko, Katara, Iroh, and Sokka, some of them at the same time, so I don't see how Toph being bested by a more experienced bender who could solo nearly the whole team on their first encounter is something to discredit her for. No she does not need he opponent to stand still, Aang was literally zooming around he using his air bending and the moment he feet touched the ground she attacked where he was, it was only because he messed with her senses by flying could he get past her bending and knock her out of the ring. By the end of the series she also has metal bending so could she not just bend the metal in Hidan's scythe and trap him with that? Hidan is always bloodlusted, that was why Kakuzu had to bail him out most of the time, bloodlusted just means you are out to kill your opponent, it does not mean you lose all personality and go into a fit of rage attacking the opponent like many seem to think, that is called being in-raged. Whitebeard was bloodlusted when he fought Akainu but he didn't go firing off quakes at Luffy or his crew in an attempt to hit all the navy soldiers and Akainu, same thing here. Lol Hidan and Kakuzu were both tagged by explosive kunai being thrown at them and needed their defenses for it, I'm sure someone bending the earth would catch Hidan off guard. Hell, Considering Hidan's fighting style, his speed stat is somewhat less important. Reactions and deception is generally how he draws blood. Also, throwing his scythe he barely grazed Asuma and striking with his stake he could't do any damage to Shikamaru either. Add in the fact his Curse is prep-heavy and yeah, his attack speed is slow, but his overall agility isn't any worse than anyone elses.

@321zigzag1:

Yes Hidan is faster but I guess the questions of speed difference is different for people.

Hidan is agile and has great melee speed but his movement speed is pretty unimpressive, he has shown more physical strength than speed as shown when he leaped at kakashi, Shikamaru caught his off guard with a straight up punch and you are supposed to have me believe he will notice the ground he is standing on to suddenly attack him and he will be able to avoid it?

But I am pretty sure Hidan is quite faster than Azula not to mention he kept up with Kakash in taijutsu.

Kakashi had a kunai, Hidan had immortality and curse that required a scratch to activate, if anything if Kakashi did anything but be on the defensive, he'd be an idiot. Furthermore, given Hidan's superior range with the scythe, and the risk of death from losing a drop of blood, not putting 100% into defense would've been idiocy on Kakashi's end as well. It has nothing to do with speed, it has to do with the fact that anything Kakashi did offensively would be futile considering even if he stabbed Hidan a million times, it wouldn't do anything(the guy stabs himself every fight without problems) and the risk of damage defensively was increased 100fold from the curse. Also consider that despite this, Hidan still had to sneak up from behind while Kakashi was in midair(and use Kakuzu's Fuuton Mask/heart help the other time) Take those factors away and Kakashi would've blitzed Hidan to kingdom come.

Hidan's feats are largely overblown because people ignore/forget/miss the details and context. Hidan's best skill is his precise acrobatic maneuvering to avoid precision attacks. However, he's only really used it to avoid Shikamaru's shadow needles, which have never been noted to be particularly fast(people are constantly dodging his shadows when he doesn't sneak up on them) and he's never used it to avoid a large attack likeToph's tidal waves of earth. He didn't even come out successful in his direct clashes with Asuma. The first time they clashed, Asuma destroyed his weapon. The second time, he distracted Asuma with another weapon, which Asuma destroyed and in turn, got off one scratch, which Asuma would've been more careful about had he known about the curse and wouldn't have meant anything had he not had the curse. Blocking three shurikens would be impressive if we didn't constantly see people constantly blocking attacks like that(like Haku blocking Zabuza's shuriken with his needles) And all this was despite Asuma having to pay attention to keeping his team safe, keeping one eye on Kakuzu in case he decided to interfere, and having no knowledge until after he had one leg disabled by Hidan's curse so he couldn't move quickly. So basically, he's not super slow like Oonoki running on the ground carrying luggage or a typical genin, but he's relatively slow for a jounin but makes up for it with his curse, immortality, a giant scythe, taking advantage of ignorance of his abilities, sneak attacks, having Kakuzu as a distraction, and acrobatics. Nothing really better than Azula, Hidan also called himself the slowest member of the Akasuki.

Kakashi was also being stalked by Hidan and 2 of Kakuzu's masks and even with a mere kunai he held his own. He even escaped the "death trap" were Kakuzu makes good use of Hidans immortality by using Masks to attack the whole area while Hidan keeps Kakashi busy. I would also like to add that hidan was fighting with a tired Kakashi after he had used his lightning blade multiple times and protected his team from Kakuzu's attack.

^This

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Sternritter "V" vs. Shukuro Tsukishima

@taichokage: True but unless he does it at the beginning Tsukishima will know all about it and how to stop it once he cuts him, or prevent it given how he wants to handle it.

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Sternritter "V" vs. Shukuro Tsukishima

V's got a weak little blade, generally dicks around when he could inflict fatal injuries, and had a close call against bare-handed Yachiru. An emphasis was placed on how quickly you need to react to actually tag him, but his performance isn't indicative of someone who can't be touched by a solid Captain-level. Don't see why Tsukishima wouldn't get a shot on him eventually, and he wins as soon as he does. As long as Tuskishima can react to V he'll eventually connect. Not as soon as Yachiru did but before he gets mortally wounded. Once he connects, its over. V lost his sh*t when Yachiru began to counter him, getting mind raped by BoTE will be like As Nodt's fear darts (without the fear of course). Not to mention he can still control the environment with such an ability and set traps.

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Bambietta Basterbine VS Kenpachi Zaraki

Bambietta starts out released
Kenpachi starts without his eyepatch
In character
Scenario 2: Kenpachi has his eyepatch on
This is pre-Unohana training Kenpachi

VS
Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Would Kenpachi defeat Mask?

During the first Vandenreich invasion would Kenpachi be strong enough to defeat Mask De Masculine or would Mask defeat him? (This is including James)

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Hazama vs Asura (Soul Eater)

With knowledge hazama stomps.

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Dangai Komamura takes on the Espada gauntlet

He clears, speed should not be a problem since that thing covers distance like crazy as shown against Bambietta who should be> any of the Espada in terms of speed. Barragans's speed<<Masked Tousen's<Komamura's reflexes.

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Sajin Komamura vs Kensei Muguruma

Komamura has a flat-out better Bankai than Kensei, so he wins. Plus 100 meters distance is a advantage only for Komamura. Ressurecion Tousen is also>>>Kensei's physical strength. Even If Kensei's knuckle's touch KTM, he's going to be cut in half or crushed before KTM breaks.

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Perfect Cell vs Madoka Kaname

The girl is a goddess who fights people for all eternity and blew up a guy bigger than Earth. She is also immortal. unless this is her weakest version this is spite.

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Monkey D Luffy vs Kirby

@CrosswindVortex: You have issues you need to work out. Why are you insulting people? Honestly. Speedforce and I are defending him because you are being a terrible poster by insulting your fellow vicers and being overly agressive for no reason in a debate between fictional characters. You really got to work out your personal issues before you receive a permanent ban.

Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Monkey D Luffy vs Kirby

@CrosswindVortex: "Kirby was not as physically powerful as most think and that his power comes from hax." The dude was just saying his power was more about hax than physical power.

@Kurohige: It's still annoying and disrespectful.

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