Justice (Level 11)

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Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Kid Buu vs Broly

@619locust: Hahaha, I gotta agree with you on this one.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Crocodile vs Moria

@taichokage said:

Stealing Crocodiles shadow would work if it happened. But it won't happen.

Why?

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Might Guy vs the Bijuu

Going by the images I think 8 gates Gai can take out 9 chained up bijuu one on one and all at once, I mean they can't really move. On a serious note 8 Gates Gai should be the strongest Shinobi in Naruto right after current Naruto, Sasuke and Madara. 8 Gates is easily the 4th strongest current shinobi.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Pre-skip Monster Trio VS. Post-Skip Weakest Trio

@Jinbeifan1 said:

@Justice: Technically it was overkill, even Franky said that was too much when he knocked out monster chopper XD Usopp was only giving him trouble because he was holding back and didn't use gears. As for Nami, in character none of them would hit her honestly, especially Sanji. But I also don't think she has anything that would take out Luffy.

Monster trio pre skip still win I think

Yes however Chopper still did not suffer serious injury and even Luffy acknowledged he was dangerous and that was when he was out of control. He also was able to use guard point to block an attack from the kraken under water, the kraken was another Creature Luffy needed elephant gun for along with the help of Zoro and Sanji. I don't see a pre-skip gear second or 3rd getting past guard point let alone rampage mode. Sanji would likely freeze up before he even attempts to hit Nami and this would allow her to fry Sanji with a lightning bolt, even Kalifa was causing significant harm with a single finger pistol and rankyaku. Yes Luffy did hold back but he did have to watch out for Usopp, he pulled his punches but still took Usopp seriously, he had a hard enough time getting in on Ussop from the primitive tools he had back then, how if he going to close in on Usopp who now has 2+ years of knowledge and environmental weapons in his arsenal. Monster Chopper should also be more durable than the pacifista which tanked the monster trio's combined assault so most of the focus is going to have to be on Chopper, something that Usopp and Nami can use to their advantage. I see Luffy being the hardest to take out since Nami will be ineffective against him and Chopper won''t really be able to harm him, however Usopp should have the tools needed such as deadlier explosions and blades. The Shurikens alone were a threat to Luffy, his plans blades should be far more deadly and unpredictable. Throw int he fact that the trio knows how their pre skip allies fight and their strength and weaknesses I say more often than not the weak trio should take this.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Zoro and Sanji vs. Marco the Phoenix and Diamond Jozu

With knowledge, I don't see why Zoro can't just anticipate Jozu's diamond attacks since he mainly charges and aims for whatever parts that are not diamond like how Aokiji did, also Zoro's endurance and durability should be>>>Crocodile's so he can take some hits from the guy if they land. Marco is the real threat here though, but I must say I would not take too much from that Kizaru fight; they were both pretty much just playing around and Kizaru put him down with two lasers later on. A few haki induced hits can put Marco down much like how Garp did, not comparing Sanji's strength to Garp but Sanji has some serious power that Marco can't afford to just take hits from. If anything I say Marco and Jozu win with high difficulty. Zoro can also use his twister and carry Jozu into the water since they have knowledge and are on the Archipelago.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Pre-skip Monster Trio VS. Post-Skip Weakest Trio

I dunno I think the weak trio takes this, I mean what was the point in all that training if they were weaker than their former adversaries. Sanji also wont hit Nami and everyone will find it ahrd to take on 9 minuets of a controlled monster Chopper, Luffy needed Elephant gun to knock him out, not to mention Usopp was giving Luffy a fair deal of trouble pre skip.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Law vs Kuma vs Nagato vs Barragan

Breaking down over time is aging.

That's why things die when they age long enough. Old people don't have messed up faces because they're getting better.

Respira is entropy. Eventually all things maximize their simplicity. Anything that is ordered will be rotted and frayed by Respira, until it is dust and debris that can not rot any more. Kido is ordered energy and Respira breaks it down into useless expended energy spun about uselessly; thus kido shatter and dissolve.

All things shatter and dissolve. Makes Barrigan's supposed Respira Protection Barrier around the outside of his body seem even more impressive than the Respira itself. The literal meaning of rot is to age and decay. Kidou does not age and decay in the traditional sense it simply has a finite timespan and Respira accelerates this timespan to where it does not exist anymore. However Kuma would still be able to deflect it.

In the end both Repira and the paw abilities are NLF.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Kid Buu vs Broly

Who necroed a 2+ year old thread? I thought it was always the general agreement that Buu was>>>Broly.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Kazuma Kuwabara VS. The HST

Scenario 1: Speed equal
Distance is 20 meters,
Kuwabara takes them one at a time
is healed after every fight
EoS Kuwabara

Kuwabara with his dimension sword+ Conditions given= Kuwabara clears. His dimension sword can hit people from almost any distance:

it bypasses the durability of just about everyone in the HST as well. With this scenario I dunno how he would lose.

Scenario 2: Speed unequal

Naruto: Stops at high tiers, mainly anyone above Kakashi

One Piece: Stops at high tiers Whitebeard level and above, arguably it depends on if Kuwabara can swing faster than Whitebeard can quake which I'm sure he can but he still loses to Kizaru, Doflamingo ect.

Bleach: Stops at mid-high tiers I don't see him getting past even some espada without speed equal, at most he gets to Aizen but I think even Gin would win.

Toriko(If we are counting that): Stops at Mt, Turtle.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gremmy vs Dangai Komamura

Lol, Gremmy gets destroyed, I'm actually laughing at the arguments trying to argue Gremmy's meteor is somehow more potent than actually turning someone into a bomb, better yet how his meteor will somehow kill a guy who is completely immortal. Komamura has more than enough power to stomp Gremmy into the dirt, Komamura he picks Gremmy up and rips him apart. While Komamura has more than enough to put Gremmy down, Gremmy will likely exhaust all his energy trying to kill Komamura. The only thing I can see even being half a threat is galaxy room which can arguably be dodged by someone of his speed, not to mention as stated above I have my doubts it would even suck him in, Komamura should have an easier time crawling out at well since he wont be injured upon its summon like Kenpachi was. I'm not the biggest doggy fan I admit, but he wins here.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Doflamingo vs BM Naruto

@Jinbeifan1:

You are thinking a bit too deeply into the FRS thing, I mean the blades are only chakara blades meant to attack the cells, the calc already added velocity into the equation. I mean it is a pretty solid feat and that calc was LOW END speed. As for the Juubi deflecting it, the point still stands, the power of the BD themselves are enough to push a tailed beast a few meters back. Luffy and Doflamingo seem about equal TBH even so I don't think they have the skill to deflect it, that is not their style, otherwise Doflamingo would have deflect Fujitora's meteor and Luffy would have done the same to the arc. Kakashi should be top tier, his chakara and stamina reserves are among the best, not to mention his insane speed feats. I'm not sure what there is to argue though since Naruto clearly wrecks Dolfamingo and any other one Piece top tier quite easily. Current Naruto solos easily though.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Franky runs the SUUUPER boxing gauntlet!

Franky should make it to Chibodee but loses since he should be able to replicate the whole destroying mechs with his bare hands thing. He should be much faster as well. Madaka is another one that should be able to win but her anime self was very unimpressive in terms of durability. Chu should be lower on this list btw, I forgot what mid Dark Tournament yusuke was calced at but he should be able to take Armstrong and Apachi. Good scenario and I can see him clearing but the added damage form each fight will eventually take him out. Yujiro should also win that fight.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gremmy vs Dangai Komamura

@DBZ_universe: Please tell me how Gremmy will last a whole 20 minuets when that fight with him and Kenpachi was maybe like 15? If Komamura just keeps on attacking Gremmy will have used all his enerygy and resources before the 10 minuet mark, he cna't put Komamura down while Komamura can arguably one-shot, not to mention Komamura is vastly more intelligent than Gremmy or Zaraki.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gremmy vs Dangai Komamura

@DBZ_universe: Gremmy could do nothing to harm Kenpachi and he wont be able to do anything to Komamura. Lol, Komamura blew her up all the way across the Soul Society, she was pretty much dead until her sisters came to help her, he was only taken out by his time limit. That girl one-shotted shinji, a senior captain and visord. Bambi would destroy pre-training Knepachi and arguably be able to blow him up post training, does Knepachi have any defense against being tunred into a bomb? Because Gremmy's self destruct did some damage to him and Bambi's bombs should be far more potent and lethal. Nevertheless Gremmy can't last 30 minuets nor has anytihng to put Komamura down.

@Saladking: Basically a low tier reality warper, can create meteors at will, turn people's bones into cookies, open up a small portal to space, and imagine himself completely healed if he is close to dying.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Zebra, Toriko, Tengu Vs Recoome and Zarbon

Ya know this very same kinda fight was one the lounge and honestly it looks like Toriko high tiers make it up to Frieza level, it's a good read and laugh: http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/could-anyone-from-toriko-take-on-the-ginyu-force-323870/

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gremmy vs Dangai Komamura

@taichokage: I don't see how Komamura can't one-shot, I have seen nothing that puts Kenpachi's pre-released patch state above Komamura's bankai power. Kenpachi was halted by a technique that was simply said to be stronger than steel (Something he dealt with when he fought Nnoitora, of course it was not going to work) Not to mention with Gremmy's imagination it was not hard to picture stopping a normal looking blade like that. However with Komamura seeing a gigantic blade coming down on your head will be a bit harder to picture stopping with your body. I dunno about healing himself since Gremmy did that only after Kenpachi opened his mouth, he was bleeding out from those few slashes, Komamura could arguably cut him in half on the first swing. Gremmy will become disastrous after all his attacks fail on Komamura, the only thing he needs to worry about is BFR but Zaraki himself simply pulled himself out of it and even resisted going in there for a bit, I'm pretty sure something of Komamura's bankai size can put up a bit of resistance or pull him out if needed, also that thing was not even big enough to fit all og Komamura and his bankai in and it still costed a lot of energy to do. I see Gremmy going down before he even gets that far, Komamura just walks through everything he does causing Gremmy to panic since unlike Kenpachi who destroyed a majority of Gremmy attacks, Komamura will be completely unfazed. I doubt Gremmy will be able to concentrate on his own durability when dropping meteors and Komamura just cuts him right through the meteor aftermath. And Komamura has a whole 20 minuets of complete invincibility, Gremmy has not shown to be able to fight for that long after using his techniques and he is not gonna be able to outrun Komamura, not to mention he has not understanding of how Dangai Komamura works making it even worse, this wont be too much different from Kenpachi's fight honestly.

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Battles » CAV: SpeedForceSpider vs Kurohige

Guyver Exceed for those who don't know the difference

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » CAV: SpeedForceSpider vs Kurohige

@Jinbeifan1: Just to be clear: The Guyver and Guyver Gigantic (The ones being used in this battle) cannot use the psudo-black holes, only Guyver Exceed can and as stated in the OP that form is banned here. Although, I suggest instead of allowing Guyver to access Gigantic the OP should be edited to just make Guyver 1 Guyver Gigantic by default since it is just everything the Guyver is but amplified 1,000 fold anf the Gigantic is just, well, a Guyver for the Guyver, it can be summoned from another dimension instantly at any time so might as well make it a default since Sho/ Guyver would do that anyway by that point in the manga. . Also the black hole destroyed in the scan was caused by Guyot, he is able to create a pseudo-black hole that exhibits 7 thousand exatons of super heavy gravity. Just to give you an example of how strong that is:

Ton (1)

Kiloton (1,000)

Megaton (1,000,000)

Gigaton (1,000,000,000)

Teraton (1,000,000,000,000)

Petaton (1,000,000,000,000,000)

1 Exaton (1,000,000,000,000,000,000)

Zettaton (1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)

a terraton is already bording country level and this guy can create 7 exatons of gravitational force his gravity control can simulate a singularity with a mass of 7E24 kilograms, to make a five meters black hole with mass that is somewhat greater than Earth's. Guyver's Mega smasher destroyed that.

Guyver also took on A super-intelligent skyscraper-sized dragon made of essentially cancer cells who can control the minds of an entire city at once, absorb anything he touches, block attacks with a forcefield, and fire city-busting lasers (along with rapid-fire building-buster missiles that ignore barriers). Guyver could have taken it out easily in one shot but it turned into a grueling battle (though partly because Guyver kept taking hits for innocent bystanders), then his opponent ate a bunch of people to go One Winged Angel and heal all his injuries. He then charged the citybuster, forcing Guyver to risk using "Gravity Implosion" before he could fire (to protect the inhabitants more than himself). It basically removes a section of space from existence with great precision, killing his opponent and negating his attack without harming anything else. He didn't use it before then because it had a long charging time and had too much collateral damage.

But Kurohige pointed most of this out already Gigantic Guyver's durability should be town level.

@SMXLR8: Sorry, not trying to debate I was just clearing some thing up since a bit of Kurohige's post may have caused confusion for those who have not read Guyver. A lot of people are mistaken when it comes to Guyver's abilities and physical prowess. I was just clarifying some things already in Kurohige post so that everyone knew what was going on. Sorry if I derailed a bit.

@Kurohige: @SpeedForceSpider: Looking good you two, I can't wait to see the outcome, hax vs power, very interesting matchup.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Grimmjow vs EMS Sasuke Uchiha

@Zerogodlike said:

@Justice said:

@Zerogodlike: Dude, the thing is legit country level in final form, even Pain was city busting and Deidara was gonna wipe out the entire Sand village, look at the map Kurohige posted. The Juubi was nuking the Leaf like nothing, keep in mind most of the blast was in the sky so the power was likely far greater. I think that the bleach verse would lose in a random encounter but not if they were prepared. But the Juubi is country level. Lastly, being a member on the Lounge Forums that Los Noches thing is still being debated and kinda debunked at this point, it's not Texas sized at all.

Umm the calc has already been debated here and its small country sized to large island. Their is nothing wrong with the calc and nothing their to disprove it besides Bleach Cant be that strong non sense.

@Zerogodlike:

Post an actual argument or don't bother, I just debunked the Lanza claim, you must have stopped reading after the what if Nel thing, where did Nel say how big it was? She stated how long it would take to walk XD read my post again. Nobody said Juubi was mach 3000 lol, I said he bijuudama was, why are you bringing up OBD? There is no pixel scaling here. 100% calc LOL that cal was debunked even on that site, you didn't even understand it, you just found something that went with your argument and posted it. Prove Yama's attack is that hot, you can see the crater was deep but not enough to one-shot something as big as Juubi. Lol KS is going to work on something that shrugs off planetary mindarap, plus Shinji already demonstrated confusing the senses doe snot work when your opponent blows up everything around you. You are mistaken if its only statements, it was backed up, again read the post, it nuked the entire leaf, which is huge going by the map of the nations, easily country size.

Who cares how many agree with me,lol, think for yourself, bring a actual debate with scans and feats or don't waste my time. You clearly did not read all my post and just skimmed through it and missed HUGE points like the size of Los Noches. If you continue to just ignore most of what I say I'm just gonna stop debating with you. Read my post again carefully.

Love how you want to dodge the calc any way that you can Its that size and theirs nothing to Deprove it besides lol lol bleach cant be that strong. Glad you gave up maybe you will stop copy and pasting arguments from the movie codec and downplaying bleach Have a nice day.

That's not true; supernova made that thread, which was copied form the lounge and even then there was no discussion, he was the one who started saying "Just because you guys think Bleach can't be that strong" argument http://www.animevice.com/las-noches/23-996/size-of-las-noches-and-destructive-power-of-ulquiorra/97-343948/. There was hardly a discussion there and it never reached a conclusion. As Kurohige pointed out and as pointed out at the Lounge that feat is inconsistent and folly, you are going by Nel's statements of walking not taking into account anything else, like the ride they got there, how fast they were going, and the fact that many reached it within a day, even the humans. You guys are simply working with Nel's statement, and even then it was stated that it would take an average of 27 days to walk across something like Texas, nowhere close to a simple 3 days, keep in mind Nel was going by her speed, not someone as fast as bankai Ichigo. There is just too must inconsistency to say it is country size. Nel's statement still doesn't calculate the size of los Noches anyway. Also Aizen could not even do that much at full power because we saw exactly what he could do. I love Bleach but Lanza is not country level, large city or island level, but not country. As it stands a full power Juubi should win if the Bleach characters don't have prep. I also have a account on Movie codec, well 2 since one was banned for a dumb reason.

Post by Justice (776 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Grimmjow vs EMS Sasuke Uchiha

@Zerogodlike: Dude, the thing is legit country level in final form, even Pain was city busting and Deidara was gonna wipe out the entire Sand village, look at the map Kurohige posted. The Juubi was nuking the Leaf like nothing, keep in mind most of the blast was in the sky so the power was likely far greater. I think that the bleach verse would lose in a random encounter but not if they were prepared. But the Juubi is country level. Lastly, being a member on the Lounge Forums that Los Noches thing is still being debated and kinda debunked at this point, it's not Texas sized at all.

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