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Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » King Gaius vs Knocking Master Jirou

@CerusSerenade: You reasoning are all kinds of wonky O.O first off creating the universe does not make him universal, destroying the universe would. Secondly you are really trying to convince us that Jude has universal punches, Alvin has a universal gun, Leila has a universal staff, Rowan has universal spells and Elize has universal Teepo? Err yeah.. I hope you are trolling..hard because that is most certainly not the case. There was a reason they did not just fodderise Gaiu's army when alvin first betrayed them, they had to run for a reason. Your arguments leave too many plot holes that make no sense from a narrative or battle perspective. Either you are confused on the power of these characters or you really like Xillia 2. Either way this debate is seemingly endless.

@Kurohige: I would just give it up, you already debunked every point this guy has made and he still ignores your points and continues on rambling. Honestly he is the only person on any forum I have ever been to that thinks Ledger is universal let alone the entire cast. But he seems like the kind who will never admit when he is wrong. I think at this point you gotta agree to disagree and just avoid future debates since it wont change. He is fully fixated on the notion they are universal and everyone else knows they aren't. Neither side will budge and he wont acknowledge anything that doesn't side with him. as of now your arguments having been going in circles. Just my advice, if you want to continue go ahead I just don't see a point.

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » King Gaius vs Knocking Master Jirou

@Falbium_Asmodeus: Now that I think about it, isn't speed equal only applicable to movement speed? Shouldn't Jirou's reactions be vastly greater than Gaius to where he can easily punch a hole through him? Or paralyze him?

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » King Gaius vs Knocking Master Jirou

Having played most of the Tales game save Tales of Tempest since that game... well it wasn't the best. As for this fight with speed as it is I don't see Jirou not getting killed, replace Gaius with Kuwabara, Okuyasu, or Hakumen and you will get the same effect. Now as far as the argument going on here I say I agree on the notion that the cast is not universal in any way and I don't see where this is coming from. Ludger by the EoS is also not universal once you realize the story of Origin and chronos.

@CerusSerenade: Also Cerus, my guy, if you want your debates to be taken seriously you gotta start addressing points, by arguments Kurohige has you beat and you refuse to even acknowledge them nor admit when you are wrong. It is bad debating and makes people not want to continue debating with you. I remember when I was more active this same thing happened with the palkia, Dialga, and Arceus vs Goku thread, and again with threads involving the Umieko Witches. I not trying to bash you but I am seeing a pattern here. You seem like you refuse to see any other side of an argument if it hinders your own... Saladking, a debater I did not like at first even does a good job at this and that makes me respect him.

Now on a side note, for those of you who have never attended Comicon... WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH YOUR LIFE?! That place is amazing, so many cute cosplayers.... sadly a lot are not real fans of the show and only staff who know the name of the character at most...

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Bellamy the Hyena VS. Arlong Park

@othus12: Yeah.. bounties are not power-levels, otherwise Nami would and Ussop would be above Chopper or Robin could beat Franky. Remember that Crab claw pirate with a bounty in the hundred millions? The guy Hordy Jones demolished? He displayed nothing of that level yet he had a high bounty anyways. Bounties are just about who caused the most damage and posed the biggest threat to the government or the people. You can get a huge bounty just from slaughtering a village full of innocent civilians or taking over a protected island ect. Just looka t the reason Robin has such a high bounty. They are not a scale of who is more powerful considering you have powerful characters like Eneru who don't even have a bounty (Unless you count Oda's input).

The only Supernova I see Bellamy comparable to is... Apoo maybe but I don't see Bellamy surprising Kizaru the way Apoo did. Arlong was already enough of a threat that Kizaru needed to be called, Bellamy did not show that level of hype, hell the only people that even knew about Bellamy were the residents of mock town and that was only because he had killed a famous pirate there during the poker game. Arlong's name was know far before that, he was the face of the Fishman pirates before Jinbei.

I don't see him blitzing anyone when Arlong's shark torpedo is about as fast, take into account the will be near or in water as well so unless Bellamy goes in for a suicide blitz I don't see him taking them out so easily. Besides who does he go for? Arlong, hachen, Chu, Kurobie, the sea cow, or the fodder? Because he ins't fast enough to blitz everyone at once.

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Bellamy the Hyena VS. Arlong Park

Arlong pirates take this, Bellamy has shown nothing impressive, the pirates also have the water to their advantage. I can see Bellamy taking them maybe one on one but at the same time he get bodied. Bartolomelo was completely thrashing him with ease, he did not put up any fight, his can take a beating but his best feats are taking out fodder. Bellamy is maybe large building level in DC and Durability, something that Arlong himself matches so he alone would give a good fight, throw in the oter fishman and Bellamy is done.

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Shiroishi Hajime (Ichi the Killer) vs Spike Spiegel

Rules:

1. Fight takes place in an abandoned apartment complex

2. Fighters are 5 meters apart

3. In character

4. Spike has his signature pistol

5. Ichi get standard equipment

VS

Location:

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Kratos runs the Giant Guantlet

I don't know about him beating Butterfly Choji unless Medusa's head works on him, Kokujo Tengen Myo as well considering Kratos does not have the raw power of someone like hallow Tousen or Aizen to bring it down.

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Crocodile vs Moria

@MasterAsia: Even if Crododile turns to sand that does not mean he gets rid of his shadow; if anything he wold create a even bigger shadow for Moria to take. Moria does not need haki to take the shadow of anyone considering their physical bodies only become intangible, not their shadows, souls, ect. I see Crocodile taking round 2 but I'm with Kurohige, I don't think he takes round 1; Moria is much more cunning, tanks hits form both gear 2, 3 and nightmare Luffy, and has almost instant movement with shadow doppleganger that he can use to distract and confuse Crocodile while he takes his shadow. Crocodile has not shown that he knows of Moria's abilities and Moria has a very tricky fighting style to adapt to, meanwhile Crocodile relies HEAVILY upon his logia attributes which may lead to his shadow being taken. It would take Crocodile a good while to figure out what Moria is all about meanwhile anyone in One Piece can tell in two seconds of a person is a logia. It is also well known that Logia are naturally cocky due to their invulnerability especially Carribou, Kizaru and Crocodile. I can see Moria being able to snatch Crocodile's shadow in round one.

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Kid Buu vs Broly

@DBZ_universe: Still does not explain how they were fighting in the supposed destroyed galaxy.

@xlab3000: Agreed.

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Pre-skip Monster Trio VS. Post-Skip Weakest Trio

I still don't see how they really win this though. From both a narrative and battle perspective it seems very unlikely that they should manage to win this.

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Super Vegeta Vs Cell Jr

@GeneralVan said:

@Jinbeifan1: In Bleach the battle between Kenpachi and the weakest character in the series, Sternritter whatshisface, is finally over

You know Kurohige would probably applaud you for this comment, he thinks Gremmy was super unimpressive and overrated, you should see his post on the Gremmy vs threads, kinda biased but mainly right about everything and makes good points, the best one if Gremmy vs Dangai Komamura, can't remember the others. Honestly, you and Kurohige have very rare viewpoints on Gremmy, most think he is current Madara/Naruto level or more. I guess people want him to be the Barragan of the Sternritter arc, you know that guy that is not the strongest despite having an ability that should by all means make him the strongest? I mean Starrk had no business being number 1, I guess you can go by the fact that is took 4 senior captains to take out Starrk while it only took 1 junior captain, a lieutenant , and a kidou master to defeat Barragan. Unfortunately Gremmy was just not on that level IMO.

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Kid Buu vs Broly

@619locust: Hahaha, I gotta agree with you on this one.

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Crocodile vs Moria

@taichokage said:

Stealing Crocodiles shadow would work if it happened. But it won't happen.

Why?

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Might Guy vs the Bijuu

Going by the images I think 8 gates Gai can take out 9 chained up bijuu one on one and all at once, I mean they can't really move. On a serious note 8 Gates Gai should be the strongest Shinobi in Naruto right after current Naruto, Sasuke and Madara. 8 Gates is easily the 4th strongest current shinobi.

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Pre-skip Monster Trio VS. Post-Skip Weakest Trio

@Jinbeifan1 said:

@Justice: Technically it was overkill, even Franky said that was too much when he knocked out monster chopper XD Usopp was only giving him trouble because he was holding back and didn't use gears. As for Nami, in character none of them would hit her honestly, especially Sanji. But I also don't think she has anything that would take out Luffy.

Monster trio pre skip still win I think

Yes however Chopper still did not suffer serious injury and even Luffy acknowledged he was dangerous and that was when he was out of control. He also was able to use guard point to block an attack from the kraken under water, the kraken was another Creature Luffy needed elephant gun for along with the help of Zoro and Sanji. I don't see a pre-skip gear second or 3rd getting past guard point let alone rampage mode. Sanji would likely freeze up before he even attempts to hit Nami and this would allow her to fry Sanji with a lightning bolt, even Kalifa was causing significant harm with a single finger pistol and rankyaku. Yes Luffy did hold back but he did have to watch out for Usopp, he pulled his punches but still took Usopp seriously, he had a hard enough time getting in on Ussop from the primitive tools he had back then, how if he going to close in on Usopp who now has 2+ years of knowledge and environmental weapons in his arsenal. Monster Chopper should also be more durable than the pacifista which tanked the monster trio's combined assault so most of the focus is going to have to be on Chopper, something that Usopp and Nami can use to their advantage. I see Luffy being the hardest to take out since Nami will be ineffective against him and Chopper won''t really be able to harm him, however Usopp should have the tools needed such as deadlier explosions and blades. The Shurikens alone were a threat to Luffy, his plans blades should be far more deadly and unpredictable. Throw int he fact that the trio knows how their pre skip allies fight and their strength and weaknesses I say more often than not the weak trio should take this.

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Zoro and Sanji vs. Marco the Phoenix and Diamond Jozu

With knowledge, I don't see why Zoro can't just anticipate Jozu's diamond attacks since he mainly charges and aims for whatever parts that are not diamond like how Aokiji did, also Zoro's endurance and durability should be>>>Crocodile's so he can take some hits from the guy if they land. Marco is the real threat here though, but I must say I would not take too much from that Kizaru fight; they were both pretty much just playing around and Kizaru put him down with two lasers later on. A few haki induced hits can put Marco down much like how Garp did, not comparing Sanji's strength to Garp but Sanji has some serious power that Marco can't afford to just take hits from. If anything I say Marco and Jozu win with high difficulty. Zoro can also use his twister and carry Jozu into the water since they have knowledge and are on the Archipelago.

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Pre-skip Monster Trio VS. Post-Skip Weakest Trio

I dunno I think the weak trio takes this, I mean what was the point in all that training if they were weaker than their former adversaries. Sanji also wont hit Nami and everyone will find it ahrd to take on 9 minuets of a controlled monster Chopper, Luffy needed Elephant gun to knock him out, not to mention Usopp was giving Luffy a fair deal of trouble pre skip.

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Law vs Kuma vs Nagato vs Barragan

Breaking down over time is aging.

That's why things die when they age long enough. Old people don't have messed up faces because they're getting better.

Respira is entropy. Eventually all things maximize their simplicity. Anything that is ordered will be rotted and frayed by Respira, until it is dust and debris that can not rot any more. Kido is ordered energy and Respira breaks it down into useless expended energy spun about uselessly; thus kido shatter and dissolve.

All things shatter and dissolve. Makes Barrigan's supposed Respira Protection Barrier around the outside of his body seem even more impressive than the Respira itself. The literal meaning of rot is to age and decay. Kidou does not age and decay in the traditional sense it simply has a finite timespan and Respira accelerates this timespan to where it does not exist anymore. However Kuma would still be able to deflect it.

In the end both Repira and the paw abilities are NLF.

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Kid Buu vs Broly

Who necroed a 2+ year old thread? I thought it was always the general agreement that Buu was>>>Broly.

Post by Justice (767 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Kazuma Kuwabara VS. The HST

Scenario 1: Speed equal
Distance is 20 meters,
Kuwabara takes them one at a time
is healed after every fight
EoS Kuwabara

Kuwabara with his dimension sword+ Conditions given= Kuwabara clears. His dimension sword can hit people from almost any distance:

it bypasses the durability of just about everyone in the HST as well. With this scenario I dunno how he would lose.

Scenario 2: Speed unequal

Naruto: Stops at high tiers, mainly anyone above Kakashi

One Piece: Stops at high tiers Whitebeard level and above, arguably it depends on if Kuwabara can swing faster than Whitebeard can quake which I'm sure he can but he still loses to Kizaru, Doflamingo ect.

Bleach: Stops at mid-high tiers I don't see him getting past even some espada without speed equal, at most he gets to Aizen but I think even Gin would win.

Toriko(If we are counting that): Stops at Mt, Turtle.

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