At the time of Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan, Broly's power level was One Billion, Four Hundred Million. It was confirmed with a V-Jump scan.
Man, do I hate how they treated Broly in the movie. I understand they had to kill him because of plot and movie purposes, but DBZ haters really try to downplay the second most powerful character in all of DBZ/GT by using his death as an excuse. Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta had a power level of One Billion, Five Hundred Million. Broly is barely under him.
Scratch that. My sources were unconfirmed. I have confirmed sources now on power levels. Yeah, he's definitely not as strong as that. He is weaker than Super Saiyan Gogeta. He wouldn't be Super Saiyan 4 level. V-Jump shows Super Saiyan Gogeta's power level at being Two Billion, Five Hundred Million.
Broly (and as you can see, Cooler's power level was 470 Million)
If breasts weren't censored and considered taboo as they are, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But this is after years and years of evolution. I just think women are insecure about their bodies, and men are not. I don't think it has anything to do with them having breasts and us not. Because when I was young, the only thing that drove me crazily about wanting to see the female breast was because I was told that they are this and that, keep away from them, and respect them and all that. A sort of mental brainwashing, I would think. If I wasn't told this, or anyone was for that matter, and women were more open about what they have, like the male chest, and not so insecure, I don't think that drive of sexuality, so to speak, would exist today in any human being.
@Daniel_Newton - My response to your question is this - why were female bellybutton not allowed to be shown bare on TV for a long time? I remember reading about this back in the... 30's? Yeah. Just because someone has something, that doesn't mean anything. You spoke about arms. Why weren't men's bellybuttons censored too? Both men and women have them. My point? I don't think it has to do with the fact that women have breasts. It's how the media has presented them to us. I think that's the real issue and factor.
You know, to the point and degree where they have to be completely censored out? Well, not even the breast itself, just the nipple. See, I started watching a few anime series like Sekirei and Manyuu Hikenchou, and I began to wonder... what's the big deal? See, when I began to analyze things, it turns out like this -
Men's chest is considered normal. Why? Because it isn't used as a sexual product in marketing, although clearly we all know a hot body on a man a female is attracted to.
Why are women's breasts so coveted? Thinking through the eyes of an intelligent human being, it has to do with how they are portrayed.
*Fact* If women's breasts weren't used as sexual products, and so highly kept censored, wouldn't the general public begin to see them as just another.... "eh, show us something new". That's probably the most rational thought one can put into deducing this question. Just like men's chest aren't censored, neither should the female breast. *disregarding the fact that some men have larger breasts than women, and in Africa there have been cases where even men began lactating in order to feed their young when their mother died* . Just the simple fact that they are highly censored to the general public and used in a sexual manner, that's what drives men to covet them so highly. It's that censorship that promotes sexual urges and drives. What's more coveted than something kept in secret? A lost treasure. A female breast. Both unknown. Both highly coveted. Both kept under wraps.
It's really adding 2+2 together. When logic surpasses personal ignorance, or rather personal insecurity (the mentality most women have about their breasts only proves insecurity), the world can truly be equal. In Europe, the mentality is much more... well, open and free - if that makes any sense. No one is insecure about their bodies. They got what they have, and they enjoy it. And it's because of that free and open thinking that allows even men to be comfortable around topless women. Not only are they showing confidence, but it's just something so normal. You see it every day, and it becomes... normal. Like a man's chest here in America. It is just seen as normal.
Places like America and Japan, you can see how childish their mentality is when it comes to sex. There are reasons why women(and even men) go to topless support rallies demanding equality. Anime has a huge over-sexualization of the female breast because of the childish mentality that the Japanese have. Here in America it is the same thing.
I ask a simple question to you all... why? Why are breasts considered sexual? My answer? Insecurity and censorship. Or really, just childish mentality.
@Iju: Flash is a speedster connected to the Speed Force. Your statements and questions make no sense. Do you hear yourself? That's like saying McDonalds is the same without Big Macs. No. The Speed Force is what grants Flash his speed. That's it. Get over it. That's how it is. He is the fastest being in the universe. Runner is faster than Sonic. Zoom is faster than Sonic(well, not really "faster" per say, but Sonic would never beat Zoom in a race competition simply because Zoom wouldn't let him do anything. Lol.). The Speed Force has granted the Flash to outrun Death, go back in time... I mean, I don't understand why you are getting so mad over this? The Flash wins. Lol. Stop getting so mad.
You mad bro?
I get what you mean by saying without the SpeedForce Flash wouldn't be as fast as he is but in the Marvel Universe the SpeedForce is like air. It's always there, you can't just get rid of it.
Something about that was addressed in the Marvel/DC crossover. He had like a Speed Force pack that kept him connected to it. Without it, Quicksilver smoked him.
I'm not too knowledgeable about instances with the Flash without the Speed Force. Makes no sense that he could run at light-speed without it.
From manwha, to manhua, to manga, each part of the Asian culture has embraced comics. The Japanese manga, the Korean manwha, and the Chinese manhua. Each good in their own way. It's obvious that manga are more popular, but does that mean they are better?
Are you guys in-the-know about good manwha and manhua? Do you guys read them, or stick to manga?
For me, I like to branch out to other comics other than manga and american comics. I like to see what other people got to show the world. Do you guys do that to?
What do you think will be next for shonen anime? The big ones to take the reigns?
Naruto looks like it will end soon, and I heard rumors that the next game after Generations will include everything from the beginning to the end of Naruto. That game has a 2 year lifespan until the next one gets released (going by the previous games), so maybe Naruto will end in 2 years? I don't know. But it definitely looks like it will be ending soon.
Are you guys gonna continue to read the manga of Bleach? The manga continues. For how long? That is not known, but the anime is officially over.
Last episode titled "Changing History, Unchanging Heart"
If you want to apply real world physics then it is impossible for anything with mass to exceed light speed.
Real world physics are always applied by everyone here in their debates. They try to use it to explain fictional events and characters, and they don't mix - the two of them. Why are people complaining now?
@Iju: ...I'm really not understanding the points you are trying to make in favor of Sonic being faster than the Flash. A man who can manipulate the speed force, and run at speeds far exceeding the speed of light in an instant, and can use the speed force to travel through time... I'm not understanding how Sonic is faster than him...
Sonic isn't even faster than Zoom, and Zoom isn't even about speed.
Goku is one of the slower competitors so he's not important.
Completely false. Goku's speed is implemented in other ways. The character has shown light speed properties.
I don't follow bull Movie Codec or whatever the hell that other popular one is. Outskirts whatever. They are biased opinions. Very biased in fact.
Goku has shown light speed interactions, not only in combat, but movement as well.
(Pre-Cognition powers will already determine your responses to the following that I will post) "No, you're wrong".
Superman is the long run looks faster than Goku. I'm not gonna argue that. The stupidity of the character and flying out of black holes and through space in an instant is far above anything Goku has ever done, but his speed does hit light. IT grants him even faster maneuverability.
Goku is not as slow as you try and make him out to be.
I don't even know what you said. You rambled about real world physics in a fictional manga, and something about... I don't even know. I didn't read it. But keep going dude. This is fun! You are fun to keep me entertained!
Bayonetta without a doubt. Not only are her feats more impressive (her ultimate attack being strong enough to send an opponent into the sun), but the creators themselves stated that she was the most powerful character they had ever created.
There is your answer. Remember that the creators of Bayonetta also created Dante.
Should we automatically not debate this then? Dante has taken on, and defeated, characters like Bayonetta before. Plus he is immortal.
I think Hideki Kamiya(the guy who created Bayonetta and DMC) might have forgotten just how broken he made Dante....
This Team Four Star video will explain it better then me (on 6:34)
Cell being a solar system buster is backed by powerscaling.
Sorry, I don't buy that. The only thing DBZ have shown was destroying planets and also Akira-sensei have stop using power levels after the Frieza Arc. If Cell said he can destroy the Sun, then I would believe it. (since the Solar System is big and no one have shown a power like that before) If we was using the anime, I would believe Cell then (since it was shown that Buu destroy a galaxy)
I agree, but I laugh when people try to say they aren't AT LEAST light speed. So many indications that they are.
Well, Goku is FTL with IT and I believe they are at lease near light speed at the end of the manga
Kid Buu traveling through space, and the allotted time it took him to destroy many planets.
It was shown that Bibidi have the power to teleport (but I have to reread that part to make sure)
Piccolo destroying the moon. (That attack alone shows how fast ki attacks are, and we see the Z-fighters constantly dodging these attacks.)
That just there reaction time, that don't mean they as fast
Just so you know, I'm not against being proven wrong. People are gonna just have to try harder and not nerd rage over Dragon Ball Z. I mean, if you hate powerscaling, then stay away from DBZ. That's how the show works.
I not raging at this, if I was I probably would need help. I don't hate powerscaling, I just found it useless if no one have shown that type of power before
But you're right. Since it's not drawn on panel that Cell can even destroy a planet, it's impossible for him to do so. Lol. Sure.
Cell did destroy a planet on panel, King Kai's planet, also I do believe Cell is a planet buster
-Lol. That was funny. It makes sense too, hence why I don't dive too deep on their speed. I go by what I see in the manga.
-But in the DBZ universe, reaction time really is all that matters. Who the hell cares how fast they can run or fly? If they can dodge and counter at light speed, that's all that matters. They are warriors first and foremost. Their combat speed is what is important. It's like what Batman said to Superman once. Something like "Who is faster? Bruce Lee or Usain Bolt?"
-Oh yeah, he did. Lol. Then use that argument for Goku. My point stands. (People even argue that, when Cell destroyed King Kai's planet, if it could blow up the Earth as well. There's always something.)
@Yusuke52: You misspelled the word "sense" before. :) Glad I could help.
Also, I know you were rambling, so TL;DR. Yeah.
Also, when did I say Goku wins? I mean, wow. A guy can't say one thing without getting slammed and hammered on.
"Goku can destroy a planet."
A wild swarm of Yusuke52, Destinyheroknight, and Newdeath appear, each with a power level of over 9,000!
Also, my point still stands about what I said before about Dark Schneider. ABC logic at its finest from you, my friend.
"Since DS can destroy this and this, he can destroy this too."