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Obito Uchiha » CONFIRMED! SPOILERS!

You can go ahead and merge this with Tobi now.

Gotta admit: Kind of disappointed.

Post by JonSmith (185 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Imperialdramon Paldian Mode vs Super Buu

@SpeedForceSpider: I fail to see how the feat of one of the many Digimon equivalents of the Devil proves your point concerning the ability of an entirely separate, and much earlier, Digimon.

Post by JonSmith (185 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Imperialdramon Paldian Mode vs Super Buu

@SpeedForceSpider: None of those guys are Imperialdramon, or components thereof.

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General Discussion » Bleach: Ayon Question

Is Hulk a character? Yes? Then Ayon's a character.

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General Discussion » Most intelligent anime/manga character?

Here's a hint:

This thread was part of Aizen's plan.

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Battles » Ghost Rider vs Sesshomaru

Which Ghost Rider is this, precisely? Is it Johnny Blaze controlling the Rider mentally, or the Rider in full control, going all out?

Post by JonSmith (185 posts) See mini bio Level 7
Post by JonSmith (185 posts) See mini bio Level 7

General Discussion » Bleach fans: What will you watch now?

I stopped watching Bleach shortly before it's end, so it wasn't too big of a deal. Going to continue watching One Piece online, as well as how this Toonami business plays out.

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Ichigo Kurosaki » Is the Final Getsuga Tensho a technique or a mode?

The answer may seem obvious to some (read: most) of you, one way or the other, but I'd like to see the answer. Now before typing down your answers with an unnecessary 'dur hur' attached, please listen to my argument. I'm of the opinion that the Final Getsuga Tensho is a technique. Most people assume that when Ichigo is placed 'at peak', FGT Ichigo used, i.e., this.

My opinion differs in that when Ichigo's peak is called, I think of this.

Now, the counterargument is that FGT is a 'mode', therefore when Ichigo is called 'at peak', FGT is assumed, and thus, it can only last a few minutes, when such time is up, that power expires. My opinion is that FGT is a technique, thus, not a mode, and therefore not his 'at peak' form, thus he can fight indefinitely without risking loss of his powers provided he doesn't use that specific technique. So: Is FGT (the top picture), a mode, limiting Ichigo's powers at peak to a few minutes at most, or is post-Dangai Ichigo (the bottom picture), his 'peak', and FGT merely a form he takes to 'charge' the technique before firing it?

I apologize in advance if this really is unnecessarily nit-picky or unclear. But the argument was started elsewhere and I wish to see objective answers.

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Battles » naruto vs ichigo vs luffy

@Destinyheroknight: Fair enough. Still, I'd be interested in getting a relatively objective view...

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Battles » naruto vs ichigo vs luffy

@Destinyheroknight: I hate to say it like this, because it makes me sound unnecessarily stubborn and unwilling to accept counterarguments, but I will continue to maintain that the Final Getsuga Tensho is a technique, not a mode. It may appear so because he changes his appearance, but that appearance is merely the preface to the technique, which is subsequently released after the attack. Since Ichigo displayed no ability to move or perform any attack aside from that technique while in that form, I will continue to say it is merely a technique, not a mode, and consider all statements of 'FGT Ichigo' to mean what I define as 'Post-Dangai Training' Ichigo. Ichigo displayed no increased abilities while using the Final Getsuga Tensho, aside from that one shot blast...

If you really wish to continue to dispute this, do you think we can make a separate thread about it on Ichigo's page, put it to a vote for others to decide? I'll make the thread myself, if you like, but it seems ever so slightly off topic here.

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Battles » naruto vs ichigo vs luffy

@Destinyheroknight: Not necessarily. Final Getsuga Tensho is the move he uses to combine with Zangetsu to launch the FGT. He has no feats moving around using the form, so it is just a technique he uses. Naruto's Nine Tails Mode is stated specifically to be a mode, same with Nightmare Luffy, though he isn't being used here. FGT is not, in my books, a mode. Post-Dangai, definitely. Final Getsuga Tensho? Technique, not mode.

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Battles » naruto vs ichigo vs luffy

@tronboy: Either present evidence and a counterargument, or please be quiet. We get your opinion already: You think Naruto would win this. You repeatedly saying it is not pushing your case forward.

@Hellos said:

I honestly can't remember how it was depicted in the manga, but I thought he just grabbed his face and leaped away from the town to somewhere empty. No idea how far away it was or if it was flash-step. Regardless, the beast bomb's potential destructive range is absolutely absurd, so I'm not entirely convinced he can.

Considering the speed with which the ground was covered, it's safe to assume it was a flash step: Aizen didn't have time to react or break free, so it had to be absurdly fast. Whether it was actually flash step or not, it was quick enough to cover that much ground in an instant, so it's a safe bet to assume Ichigo could cover at least that range with ease. Even if Naruto's Beast Bomb is a mountain buster, Ichigo could presumably avoid it, if not kill Naruto as he charged it, and then launch a counter attack.

@Destinyheroknight said:

FGT is Ichigo at his peak

Perhaps, but that is just a technique, not necessarily a state of being. It's essentially just Ichigo becoming cloaked in the move, then launching it. I'd taken Ichigo post-Dangai training as his peak as an actual state. So the feats for that are what I'm using as reference.

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Battles » naruto vs ichigo vs luffy

@Hellos said:

I don't get it, why won't the beast bomb when it hits the ground not hit Ichigo? The level of damage it can do is massive in scale.

Thread has them all at peak in the OP.

One, Ichigo's literal FIRST feat when he arrived from the Dangai was flash stepping him and Aizen out of the city and to a large field littered with crags, too fast for Aizen to react to. It's reasonable to assume he could similarly Flash Step out of the Beast Bomb's radius of destruction.

@tronboy: ... Are you serious, or just trolling, Trollboy? After all this debate, I find it incredibly difficult to believe that you really think Naruto could win this.

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Battles » naruto vs ichigo vs luffy

@Destinyheroknight: Why are we assuming that Ichigo would lose his powers, even presuming that we're talking FGT Ichigo? He only lost those powers after using the Final Getsuga Tensho, so provided he didn't use that specific technique, he'd be able to maintain that level of power, presumably indefinitely. Which Naruto couldn't overcome for an extended period of time, if at all.

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Battles » naruto vs ichigo vs luffy

@YouFinished said:

you act like the consecutive hits would build up and add up. that wouldn't make any sense. once the shockwave from ichigo sword hits naruto its not going to sit there and wait for the second one to hit and add up it would dissipate on contact.

Not going to get into the rest of it, because as far as I can tell, the rest is superfluous. The point of it all is: "Can Naruto's Bijuu Bomb blast Ichigo, or can Ichigo smash Naruto?" Regardless of whether or not Naruto has mountain level durability, Ichigo effectively endured what appeared to be the equivalent of a nuclear bomb from Aizen's cero, dead center. So could Naruto's Bijuu Bomb match or surpass that? Granted, either way, it's a moot point: even if Ichigo's sword slashes aren't mountain busting, the air pressure is around near that. Add to that the Getsuga Tenshou, which Ichigo can fire just as easily and quickly as a sword slash, at that level of power would most definitely be mountain busting. So yes, his Getsuga Tenshou would most definitely kill Naruto. Especially if Ichigo took the effort to Flash Step behind him and launch it at his blindspot. Granted, there isn't an example of a Getsuga Tenshou being launched at that level of power, but scaling it up to match would most likely logically lead to the conclusion of mountain busting force.

Post by JonSmith (185 posts) See mini bio Level 7
Post by JonSmith (185 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » naruto vs ichigo vs luffy

@GIRUGAMESH said:

And even if it was just the case that Ichigo only had invisibility, that would still be a monstrous handicap that would make the battle totally unfair, especially seeing as how Ichigo at his best may be able to one-shot them with a normal attack if they don't see him coming.

Which would be the main point and basis for my earlier arguments in this thread...

Post by JonSmith (185 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » naruto vs ichigo vs luffy

@GIRUGAMESH: Not necessarily. It's been shown that even if Ichigo is invisible to regular people, hollows, shinigami, etc, aren't necessarily actually intangible. Their attacks still damage the regular world, and even if they can't be seen, a Hollow can still be hit by a normal person. Kinda. Chad couldn't actually see a Hollow, but he could hit one. Same for Ichigo, recently: Without his shinigami powers, he couldn't see a Hollow, but he could hit it. For all the good it did. So in theory, while Ichigo would be invisible, they could still hit him with area denial attacks and by locating him by his effects on the environment.

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