@MarioRedfield: everyone in that topic must have been on acid for a little XD
@The Stegman said:
@ohgodwhy:Contrary to popular belief, the Pacifista beam wasn't going at light speed no where near that in fact, maybe supersonic, Naruto himself has gotten a great speed boost in his Kyuubi form, able to easily dodge a Kage level Lariat. As for Haki abilities, only one will work in my opinion, like you said, King's haki won't work, Naruto isn't weak willed, as for Kenbunshoku, it has a hard time predicting random, erratic attacks, that's exactly what the Fox shroud is, as Sasuke stated, it attacks on its own, making even Sasuke, with a fully developed sharingan have trouble following it. Bushoshoku might work, but I doubt even it can stand up to a mountain busting tailed beast bomb if Naruto goes to his beast form. For the first time in either anime, I think Naruto would win the majority of the fights at his current levels.
I wouldn't say Naruto could defeat Luffy by "ease" on any account. Luffy's shown himself to be more than a match to Naruto when he dodged the Pacifistas's beam with no difficulty what so ever, or at least he made it look that way.
I'm not going to compare speeds here because there is no way to compare speeds but I'm sure Naruto is not much faster than Luffy. In fact Luffy may be faster than Naruto given his ability to use Soru like effects even pre time skip.
Luffy also has his haki abilities which would let him read his opponent's attacks and create highly impermeable defences. He could also use the king's haki but I'm sure Naruto would have enough will to resist that.
Overall I still give this fight to Luffy though, but it could go either way because Naruto is definitely able to keep up with Luffy and we haven't seen the full extent of his bijuu powers.
now i dont believe that the laser moves at light speed either, BUT it is massively above supersonic, I know that for sure.
a kage level lariat was dodged by Bee, that doesnt mean much.
Mantra works better than the sharingan in that sense, it is precognition, not the prediction of moves, as we have seen luffy dodging multiple water arrows moving at supersonic speed before.
the tailed beast bomb has to land to do damage, but as we have seen before, it can be deflect before it lands. Luffy I say moves just as fast if not faster than naruto does, even when he has gear 3rd activated. he can close in and seal the deal with elephant gun gatling
@FormerCrimsonKing: we didnt even get to see the attack because of wonderweiss, so im iffy on that one. if he was smarter he would have whipped out his bankai and finished them all off in a few seconds, but he didnt... the writer of bleach has so many plot holes i swear.
@FormerCrimsonKing: ithe shockwave would disperse the fire before it gets to him, the same way he did to ace's fire and akainu's lava. and i believe it should since it was able to reach aokiji in the mid air. and if he surrounded him with flames, then what? WB could either use his staff sword (i forget what its called) and mix it with a quake or haki and disperse it. and if that doesnt work, well then i dont know what yama ji could do to him while hes in there, for one thing he never took the chance of that and tried to kill them while they were sealed off, so i can only assume that its meant to keep someone in, but cannot be attacked from the outside