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Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » ICHIGO, TSUNA & NATSU vs. YUSUKE, LUFFY & MELIODAS

Isn't Yusuke Seiyan Saga level? He should solo this

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Toriko Discussion (Manga)

@waybig1010101: I think the initial hit from his Mugen punch carries all of the Enbu technique, I doubt that as it continues that it stays with that power. At least it seemed to have far less effect as it continued to hit.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » SAITAMA VS BAMBINA

@YoungChief: A planet sized continent. Don't forget to put that in there, or it'll sound like heavy downplaying :P Anyways Bambina wins this with a casual swing of his tail now

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Toriko Discussion (Manga)

@waybig1010101: Yeah that's because their enbu punches were focused onto hitting Bambina. I know they're just as strong as the example shown, the problem is that's still not much to Bambina. Even in unison, what is their enbu going to do at this point though? So excited for more.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Toriko Discussion (Manga)

@vvots: @taichokage: @EVA_01: @othus12: @SonNeko: I can't believe Bambinas casual tail swing went from this:

to THIS

Apparently he can match any of their Enbu punches just with his tail... Yep. they're looking pretty screwed right now XD I knew eventually Kaka was going to turn on them. I'm just wondering what she plans to do in the first place.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Aokiji vs Doflamingo

@RampagingSimian:

I think you have your timelines messed up

Whitebeard stomped akainu

He was out of action for a good long portion til he finally woke up

Used Blackbeards distraction to go after Luffy. Like a total pussy, he didn't wanna tangle with Whitebeard again XD

And the cause of death? Lol I think you're forgetting the fact that he had hundreds of other causes of death. No, Blackbeard was the cause of his death. Akainu had part in injuring him, nothing more. Do you even remember how that war played out?

Yeah, Akainu's got nothing on this old man. Melted his face? Pfft, not even worth acknowledging for Whitebeard. Face it dude, their fight was over after two shots. Sure, he got up afterward, but that doesn't mean much since he didn't make Whitebeard go down even after melting his face. Even with all the injuries WB had, he totally got f**ked up!

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Aokiji vs Doflamingo

@RampagingSimian said:

@Jinbeifan1 said:

@RampagingSimian said:

@Jinbeifan1: Admirals = Yonko

Kaido is the WSC, so who does that put him above? Chopper? Sea Kings? Yudas? Banana Gators? Jailer Beasts? Dragons? Point is its a useless title, as it gives us nothing to compare him to.

Please show me why you think the Yonko are stronger than the Admirals.

WB was exceptional among the Yonko and you can't really say the other Yonko was on his level.

Neither Kizaru nor Fujitora have gone all out yet and look at what they have done.

Akainu was pretty much responsible for WB's death. And Akainu held Whitebeard's bisento down with his foot.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130204195504/onepiece/images/d/d5/Whitebeard_Bisento_Attack.png

It's the truth.

Hell, the admirals weren't even above Whitebeards commanders, who were easily fighting on par with them.

lol. You are not worth debating with at this point.

@taichokage said:

@Jinbeifan1 said:

@RampagingSimian said:

@Jinbeifan1: Admirals = Yonko

Kaido is the WSC, so who does that put him above? Chopper? Sea Kings? Yudas? Banana Gators? Jailer Beasts? Dragons? Point is its a useless title, as it gives us nothing to compare him to.

Please show me why you think the Yonko are stronger than the Admirals.

WB was exceptional among the Yonko and you can't really say the other Yonko was on his level.

Neither Kizaru nor Fujitora have gone all out yet and look at what they have done.

Akainu was pretty much responsible for WB's death. And Akainu held Whitebeard's bisento down with his foot.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130204195504/onepiece/images/d/d5/Whitebeard_Bisento_Attack.png

It's the truth.

Oh my gosh... I'm going to have to decline arguing with you on this point. All I'm going to say is this: Yonko>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Admiral. Admirals are top tiers, but Yonko's are far above them. Hell, the admirals weren't even above Whitebeards commanders, who were easily fighting on par with them.

I agree. Did you see what a single Yonko and his force did to Marineford that had all 3 Admirals, the Fleet Admiral and 5 Warlords. IF you think that the 3 Admirals could take on 3 Yonko and win then I don't know what to say.

In a long drawn out fight Old WB would lose against Akainu and Aokiji, that is for sure.

I'm not worth debating? Lol I think you're very mistaken. A long drawn out fight? It wouldn't be a long drawn out fight. Give me Whitebeard without the limitations of his his age hitting him and WITHOUT the holes in his chests, then he's going to solo all three admirals like nothing. It literally took him two moves to take down Akainu, who had not been touched during the entire war while he had been continually shot and damaged. Adding on to that, he shrugged off getting half his face melted, and proceeded to stomp him.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Aokiji vs Doflamingo

@RampagingSimian said:

@Jinbeifan1: Admirals = Yonko

Kaido is the WSC, so who does that put him above? Chopper? Sea Kings? Yudas? Banana Gators? Jailer Beasts? Dragons? Point is its a useless title, as it gives us nothing to compare him to.

Please show me why you think the Yonko are stronger than the Admirals.

WB was exceptional among the Yonko and you can't really say the other Yonko was on his level.

Neither Kizaru nor Fujitora have gone all out yet and look at what they have done.

Akainu was pretty much responsible for WB's death. And Akainu held Whitebeard's bisento down with his foot.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130204195504/onepiece/images/d/d5/Whitebeard_Bisento_Attack.png

It's the truth.

Oh my gosh... I'm going to have to decline arguing with you on this point. All I'm going to say is this: Yonko>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Admiral. Admirals are top tiers, but Yonko's are far above them. Hell, the admirals weren't even above Whitebeards commanders, who were easily fighting on par with them.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Aokiji vs Doflamingo

@DXC: It didn't look extremely difficult. Whitebeard, who was already on the edge of death, took him out in two hits. After both hits, he was down. Whitebeard is far above an admiral when he's in good shape.

Also, considering that the Yonkou are so strong they rarely decide to fight in the first place. It's safe to assume each Yonkou is around the same in power, whether one is a bit above the other has yet to be seen. WB was claimed to be the most powerful man in the world. Kaidou, however, was claimed to be the most powerful beast in the world, which means that Kaidou is definitely around his power level.

Sure, he's still strong for being old and is always a heavy threat, but everyone, including his own crew, made it clear that he was nowhere near his prime in strength.

Admirals don't measure up to Yonkous. Not now, not ever. Kizaru didn't hold down his Bisento if you remember correctly. Whitebeard slashed through him to stop him from teleporting to Luffy and was too busy watching him fight to counter. As for Aokiji, he had two brief encounters with WB. Both times he failed to freeze him.

Don't compare a Yonkou to an Admiral. Only one guy can be said to be on the same level of a Yonkou as an admiral, and that's Garp in his prime.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Aokiji vs Doflamingo

@DXC: Whitebeard took it without flinching, then proceeded to stomp him out. And that was with several holes in his chest and tons of wounds from many encounters during the war.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Bambina vs Midora

@waybig1010101: Fair enough. Dat hype though, pedobina about to be AWESOME!!! XD

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Bambina vs Midora

@waybig1010101 said:

@Jinbeifan1:

I don't feel like debating about this too much so I just go over this again quickly.

okay I used volume before because someone was talking about how area 7 is bigger than Earth (Which is true in terms of Earth's surface area) Now compare its size to Earth's volume and you will realize that 840 million km2 (Area 7) is in fact smaller than Earth's true size or volume of 1.08 trillion km3.

Now just because a surface area of the Toirko World (Area 7) is smaller in size to the grand total amount of space the Earth's volume occupies, doesn't mean I'm saying the planet is small here or anything. I did the math of toriko size I know how big it is, and toriko world volume is about 166 times that of earth's volume, which means that by total size both object occupies, the toriko world is 166 times larger than earth, yet most of that size is not located on its surface, let alone a certain part of its surface (Area 7)

Okay, again Bambina I can see being planet level (Not the 4HKs) If you think the 4HKs have a stronger DC feat than Heracles, (By power scaling from a monkey image) then i'm not going to debate that with you. We have seen an attack from Hercales that puts him at continent level in DC, I'm not going to assume a somewhat serious attack from one of the 8 kings is below the DC/potency of the current 4HKs. If you want, thats up to you.

Also Fodder monkey don't know the secret technique of enbu I belief, I'll go check right now just to be sure. But if you can post the scan saying that they know the secret technique that would save me time searching. And even then, I really doubt that fodder monkey can rival or surpass the DC showing of one of the 8 kings... who knows maybe I'm wrong here. I just rather wait and see.

I remember toriko fighting one master, but his Enbu punch didn't seem to break the continent

"Enbu Yamawari"

that was his Enbu punch, and that didn't show Area 7 getting completely destroyed. And he punches the ground like the other monkey in the image we are talking about, so should i assume "fodder monkey" in the image is greater than one of the four masters Enbu punches because of speculation? When we have a pretty good idea of what one of the 4 masters (Not fodder monkey) does to the same ground with his own Enbu Punch.

I'm pretty sure the image was of the same race of monkey as Bambina, but I'll wait and see. Who knows I could be wrong here.

No, I was saying that with the Enbu Secret technique, the 4HK's have higher DC than what heracles had showed. He's easily a continent buster at the least. But I'm pretty sure that he's planet level just like Bambina. Since they were able to 'hurt' bambina in a way, then they should be able to hurt him easily on their own, even without the Blue Oni. I still think that to have a case against the planet level punch though, you'll need to somehow calculate the volume 7 itself. For all we know, it could easily be above Earths on its own. But I'm done arguing size, so we can stop with that one. There's really no end to how many arguments we could make over the size lol.

When I say fodder monkey, I was just making an example. Shima was using the monkey as an example to show the power of the Enbu Secret technique from someone who can use it. It had no significance to what kind and who it was, it was basically a demonstration of what they can do.

As for that, it doesn't look like the secret technique. Caca made no mention of the strike when she was explaining the Secret Technique. Even though Gyrantius was a master, he and the other masters are already easily below the Kings now in skill. The Kings whooped on Goritaurus and they hadn't even the slightest idea of how to use Enbu yet. Their skills with it were far above his by the time they met Bambina. And they have been the only ones able to show capability in using the Secret Technique. He most likely used Enbu to fight off all the poison put into him by Coco, turning his cells into antibodies in a flash. After all that's what Coco said he did. After all, he couldn't even harm the Kings, and he was above all the fodder monkey's they fought. You really think that his attack was really the Secret Technique? I don't think so, and many would agree.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » HENDRICKSEN vs. FIVE KAGES

@taichokage: He beat five of the seven sins, Merlin wasn't there lol but Hendy does kill the kage. They suck XD

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Bambina vs Midora

@waybig1010101 said:

@Jinbeifan1:

I look at the size of area 7 - 840 million Km^2 and then the full size of the moon (volume) 22billion km^3. Now if I know the density then I can figure certain things, but at the very least cracking a surface that big is supercontinent level+ (Not destroying it) IMO (Even though it wasn't even the kings who did it but a monkey on panel image, so to give that to the kings is a debate itself tbh, but I'll give it to them because I don't really care to argue about this too much). Now, You don't have to agree with me. If I seem like I'm downplaying then I'm sorry if I don't place the 4HKs at moon level when someone like the horse king showed a continent level attack at best in terms of DC as Horse king hill is the size of one of our continent today

And I don't feel that the 4HKs can match the Horse king (outside blue oni) yet in DC. If you disagree with me then try to convince me, i'm opened to hear your opinion on this.

That's because you only know the area of Area 7. You can't just use volume because it's a bigger number. All you have to compare is the area of both since it wouldn't make any sense to use volume if you didn't. The area of the moon is only 38 million square kilometers. If an Enbu punch stretched out across 840 square kilometers, how do you expect the moon to survive? Answer: it wouldn't. It'd be completely destroyed. As would most likely earth, since this punch shattered the entire continent with a far higher area than earth. Horse King Heracles is also apparently overshadowed by Bambina's complete strength, who tanked all of these shots. I hold Heracles in a high fashion who most likely has far more potency than DC like Enbu.

As for trying to figure out the density of the continent, I suppose you could use the fact that the Toriko planet is over 220000 square kilometers in circumference while Area 7 is 840 Square kilometers in area, and compare it to the density of earth or Neptune since it's closer in size. That's up to you to figure out, since I don't even know the volume of a continent on earth, which would most likely be your best way to compare volume.

As for being above Heracles? With an Enbu punch they can definitely do damage but probably not kill him. If Heracles is below standard Bambina, who when taking the blows was only stunned (most likely because it was taking off his outer skin) then it would realistically do a good amount against him. But just because you didn't see Heracles do something on panel doesn't make him below moon level. By power scaling, Heracles should indeed be planet level like his fellow King.

And lastly, the point of showing the random monkey who punched the continent was to show the power of mastering Enbu, and unlocking it's secret technique. Basically what it's saying is that if a fodder monkey uses the secret technique, it's power is enough to do that. Which means the Kings are without a doubt at least doing that much damage.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Bambina vs Midora

@waybig1010101: Sounds like your really downplaying the Enbu punch here lol they'd obviously destroy a moon in one hit, and they'd nearly shatter the entire planet with one as well considering Area 7 could fit earth and a whole other half of a planet in it as well. Just because you don't know the density is your problem. Not to mention EVERYTHING in Area 7 is hundreds of times larger than anything in the human world

you have no real case here because Shima will likely never adress the density of the continent since he stated the total area surrounding it. If you don't think that it's planet level to planet busting, then that's your problem I suppose.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Aokiji vs Doflamingo

@DXC said:

He gives him solid mid diff.

Someone whou fought Akainu wouldn't be afraid of any Younko.

Lol, Akainu? You mean the guy a Yonkou literally STOMPED?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure a LOT more people are afraid of a Yonkou than an admiral.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Aokiji vs Doflamingo

@taichokage said:

@chill21 said:

didn't aokiji already waste doflammingo in the series? i mean flammingo wasn't seriously damaged but he clearly asserted his dominance

He did nothing of the kind. He tried to freeze Don and failed. That's literally all that happened.

@Jinbeifan1 said:

Seriously, guys? People REALLY don't count Doffy as admiral level? The guy has been shown to be able to cross both Aokiji and Fujitora without fear. Aokiji might win this fight, but it's definitely not easy. He does it with Extreme difficulty. Doffy's real weakness in battle is when he gets heated or distracted like he did against Law, who he overcame twice.

I agree completely. Assuming Aokiji did beat him, he would be wrecked himself. He isn't afraid of Admirals. He clashed with Fujitora. He is afraid of the Emperors as pretty much everybody is.

Exactly. EVERYONE fears the Yonkou, so that doesn't mean much. GOD WILL ODA JUST MAKE HIM AND LUFFY FIGHT ALREADY?!?!

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Aokiji vs Doflamingo

Seriously, guys? People REALLY don't count Doffy as admiral level? The guy has been shown to be able to cross both Aokiji and Fujitora without fear. Aokiji might win this fight, but it's definitely not easy. He does it with Extreme difficulty. Doffy's real weakness in battle is when he gets heated or distracted like he did against Law, who he overcame twice.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Just Manga » Manga Spotlight 1.1 -Hidden Gems

@takashichea: Sure I can help :P

@Shadowchaos: In case you haven't read it yet (which many people haven't done outside of this site lol) Try out Toriko. I was one of those people REALLY skeptical of the story because of the premise, but... it ended up surprisingly me greatly and has now become one of my top 5 shonens of all time!

Also try Seven Deadly Sins(Nanatsu No Taizai) It has a good story, and while not one of my top favorites, it has a lot going for it.

Last recommendation is UQ Holder. If you're a fan of Negima then you'll most likely love this as it's set 100 or so years into the future. Even if you didn't read Negima, you don't need to get into this story. It's great and honestly better than its predecessor (to me)

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,891 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Zebra VS Ban

@Haiken: Lol not really, Zebra just beats him to the point where he cant move, which is what Hendricksen did to him. Ban can't win this fight.

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