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Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Midora vs Imperfect Cell

@othus12: With the direction that the Toriko's going, it's going to become pretty clear that soon the Three Disciples have always been on level with high DBZ tiers :D

As for this fight, I do believe Cell could possibly blitz, but other than that Midora could take him

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Kenpachi & Mount Turtle vs Madara & Obito

@Low: Meh, whatever then XD maybe you're right, but I have never seen a Jinton executed to the point where it was successful on someone. Show me a scan where it took out a super powerful enemy without fail, and I'll admit it's legit. Also, even if you do, it doesn't really mean anything. In character or even bloodlusted, Madara would only use his gudou dama stuff, and whether it's a jinton or a gudou dama, he'd have to be close for either to work. If they get close, they die. Also, apparently the jinton is not instantanious

That's when he tried it on Sasuke, but it didn't work because Obito saved him. Meaning it's not an automatic attack.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Don Chinjao / Sai and Boo VS Roronoa Zoro / Sanji (Dressrosa Arc)

Sai and boo are fodder and get nixed quickly, and together it should be fairly easy for Zoro and Sanji to take old Chinjao together

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Kenpachi & Mount Turtle vs Madara & Obito

@Low: here you go

The attacks the kage were unleashing on him were pulling him back into the Jinton, and so to negate it he activated his Perfect Susanoo

MOD EDIT

Removed Pirated Scan

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Kenpachi & Mount Turtle vs Madara & Obito

@Low said:

@Jinbeifan1 said:

@Low: Okay I saw the scans of it doing that, but it only destroyed the clones and their susanoo's, and now that I realize it, his first susanoo form is pretty weak. When he unleashed his perfect Susanoo, that box didn't have any effect at all. That means durability still trumps it, and Mount Turtle would turn the perfect Susanoo into mulch

Wrong again. Notice in the video I posted Madara is saying Ninjutsu does not work on him. Thats true. The perfect Susanoo is simply too thick and Rinnegan could absorb all manner of Ninjutsu. Jinton is a ninjutsu. Thus, it was eliminated/absorbed before it could pose Madara any trouble. The weaker version of susanoo offered the same, not protection, but time for Madara to absorb Jinton.

As far as I know, Mount Turtle does not absorb Ninjutsu. lol Rest assured, if Jinton hits anywhere on Mount Turtle, it turns to dust.

As for the scan with the sword and shield, I was showing you just how big Gudou Dama can become. If either Juubito or Madara, or both combined launches their gudou dama in this shape, it will wipe out Mount Turtle without question.

Actually I read the entire chapter, he tried to escape while absorbing but he couldn't do so when they mixed their attacks with water and sand to trap him to pull him into the Jinton. This prevented him from absorbing it, and he had to turn on his Perfect Susanoo, which the Jinton had no effect on. Sorry, but the Susanoo didn't absorb it, it just didn't have any effect, air go, that means that it wouldn't have any effect on Mount Turtle in the slightest.

That's the problem, they can't launch it once they've expanded it into different shapes like that, or he would have just tossed an uber sized gudou dama at the fox to kill or maim it for capture. And not really, for even if they could launch it at those sizes, they still are highly dwarfed by Mount Turtle

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Kenpachi & Mount Turtle vs Madara & Obito

@Low: Okay I saw the scans of it doing that, but it only destroyed the clones and their susanoo's, and now that I realize it, his first susanoo form is pretty weak. When he unleashed his perfect Susanoo, that box didn't have any effect at all. That means durability still trumps it, and Mount Turtle would turn the perfect Susanoo into mulch

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14
Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Kenpachi & Mount Turtle vs Madara & Obito

@Low said:

@Jinbeifan1 said:

@Low: yeah I know it's that dust thing :P But like I said in my edit, I have yet to see it do significant damage to anyone powerful, since apparently the old man didn't feel like using it against Madara when he had his Susanoo on. If it can do what you say, it would pierce Susanoo without a problem

Again, while the Gudou Dama is effective against people with chakra based attacks, the Magma Missiles are not chakra based. They'd destroy his black ball shield, and him along with it. Think of it, since there's no chakra behind it, as a giant physical blast. The bijuu dama are purely based on chakra, so no matter what they do it's ineffective.

Here's Onoki dismantling about 15 giant Susanoo and partially vaporing Madara's leg, before he was able to make his escape.

Gudou Dama is described to be a superior form to Jinton.

As for Gudou Dama's shape, its shape shifted to around 50x the size of Juubito before, slightly bigger than Kurama. This is more than enough to actively disable Mount Turtle.

Can you show me scans of that instead? I've learned not to trust anime depictions :P

As for his big sword and shield, that's great and all but it doesn't look like he can launch them. If he tries to get up close it's over, just a wave of Mount Turtle's flipper thing kills Juubito. And if he tries to launch it at a distance, Mount Turtle just spams magma missiles. Face it man, no matter the scenario, your idea of them beating him relies on distance and the black balls, and Mount Turtle sitting there without a retort. And in this fight they're still 3 kms away, and they cant even control the black balls past 70 meters.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Kenpachi & Mount Turtle vs Madara & Obito

@Low: yeah I know it's that dust thing :P But like I said in my edit, I have yet to see it do significant damage to anyone powerful, since apparently the old man didn't feel like using it against Madara when he had his Susanoo on. If it can do what you say, it would pierce Susanoo without a problem

Again, while the Gudou Dama is effective against people with chakra based attacks, the Magma Missiles are not chakra based. They'd destroy his black ball shield, and him along with it. Think of it, since there's no chakra behind it, as a giant physical blast. The bijuu dama are purely based on chakra, so no matter what they do it's ineffective.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Kenpachi & Mount Turtle vs Madara & Obito

@Low said:

@othus12: I heard no case arguing against Gudou Dama making minced meat out of Mount Turtle's eyes. On the fact that Gudou Dama has the ability to shift its shape, expand etc. Heck since they were both Juubi Jinchurikkis, Madara anyway, had the power closest to the Sage and his mother. In theory, having all nature transformations, and all jutsu means, Madara can pull off a Jinton to GG Mount Turtle.

I do not think Mount Turtle will be left standing after a single hit from either this or its superior, the Gudou Dama.

Well for one thing, it's so tiny the damage it would do to the eye is microscopic in comparison. And honestly your only argument in this case is the Gudou dama, which won't stop a magma missle in any shape or way, especially since he can spam them easily. Show me a scan of the gudou dama expanding to the size of a country level blast, or even the size of the magma missle itself. And even if Madara could pull off a jinton (Which I'm assuming is that giant wood buddha thing, correct me if I'm wrong) That thing gets mulched.

Neither Madara or Juubito have anything on Mount Turtle. They lose here.

edit: Oh that dust thing, yeah I haven't ever seen it shot successfully and totally obliterate anyone, so I'm highly skeptical it can do anything to Mount Turtle.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Bills vs Darkdeath Evilman

@takashichea: I'm saying lock it because it is a mismatch, everyone agrees that Bills loses here easily, it's a star to solar system buster vs a galaxy buster which is far beyond any Z character that we know of

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Bills vs Darkdeath Evilman

Why was this bumped? This is a stupid fight :P Lock iiiiit

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Bartholomew Kuma VS Monster Trio (Single/ All 3)

@Low: Well for one, Zoro was way too heavily injured to do anything anyways. First he's still hurt from all the pain he took on Thriller Bark, and then he's taken a laser to the stomach from Kizaru.

As for holding back, he thought that everyone was unconscious, there was no reason for him to hold back I feel.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Bartholomew Kuma VS Monster Trio (Single/ All 3)

@Low said:

@Jinbeifan1 said:

@Low: facepalm yourself dude :P

That is true, but you forget that Kuma's movement speed is not the same as his action speed. Unless you'd like to argue that every move he makes is light speed, because if so then he could literally beat anyone in the HST with ease. With his power, he could certainly take anyone on, but his action speed is the only thing he truly lacks.

No, his action speed is not lightspeed. But thats the same as arguing Luffy's punching speed is the same as his G2 speed, which is not. Post timeskip, he developed a soru punching technique, the one which one shot the pacifista. Otherwise, Luffy needs to go charging to reach for even near his actual G2 speed with his punches. Kuma's action speed may be slower, but still faster than anything the three can percieve. Its not like anyone in the verse till now has actually seen Kuma move his hand to hit a target, now has anyone? Not as far as I know. We have seem him removing his gloves, which was the only time I have seen Kuma move at normal speed, discounting the book he reads....lol That's how fast he is.

There's a difference though: Luffy is actually launching his attacks at his own speed, like a jet pistol or whip, he's doing that by stretching his rubber body at the same speed he moves. He did it before the time skip against CP9, and it is entirely accurate to say his attacks move at the same speed he does, that's what makes them more powerful. Otherwise there would be no point to gear 2nd other than moving around really fast, the speed adds to the power in his attacks because he's stretching them as fast as he moves, and makes a far stronger impact. As for Kuma's movement speeds, Zoro was able to blitz him when he was off guard remember? If he were to do the same again, he would kill Kuma.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Bartholomew Kuma VS Monster Trio (Single/ All 3)

@Low: facepalm yourself dude :P

That is true, but you forget that Kuma's movement speed is not the same as his action speed. Unless you'd like to argue that every move he makes is light speed, because if so then he could literally beat anyone in the HST with ease. With his power, he could certainly take anyone on, but his action speed is the only thing he truly lacks.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Bartholomew Kuma VS Monster Trio (Single/ All 3)

@Low: Oh I thought BFR was unincluded in this fight :P But even so, He can push himself behind them or around them at speeds they can't see, but observation haki will help them react when he tries to hit them with his pad attack or bfr them.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Bartholomew Kuma VS Monster Trio (Single/ All 3)

Monster trio wins here, just one of them now could potentially beat him (although his hax is still a huge problem) but if just one of them lands a hit, it's over

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Lee Soo Jin Vs Zebra

@Low: So she can cancel physical attacks too? She OP as shit, fuck her XD but yeah she wins

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Toriko » 8 kings capture level?

@othus12: @taichokage: Holy crap... in weight, Heracles can carry over four moons in air :O That's basically small planet level, isnt it?!?

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,225 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Battles » Lee Soo Jin Vs Zebra

@waybig1010101: What's the strongest DC or potency she has?

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