Jinbeifan1 (Level 14)

Luffy's fast enough to keep up but he doesnt have enough showings to do enough damage, right now Ulqy wins

Daryl wins, thats all I have to say :P

@solesamurai said:

@Jinbeifan1 said:

@solesamurai:

1. his DF only became useful because he had his own superstrength, his own speed, and he figured out a way to make it even more useful in combat

2. a pure blood would be a full shinigami or a full quincy but no... his blood is mixed with EVERYTHING if that's what you call a pure blood, then I cant imagine what a mixed blood is :P so in reality your opinion is moot

3. exactly, all he learned was ways of making his getsuga tensho bigger... not really anything else besides that

4. The reason kubo's writing is that shitty is for that very reason... theres no damn development with ichigo or his powers, just a higher scale version of the GT, as I said in the previous statement. It's not very imaginative. He literally has one move and the rest is moving around really fast and slashing. Luffy was creative with his fighting techniques and thus has made better uses of the DF he has

5. If you really think that is all there is to haki, then you are VERY naive (nice way of saying it) Haki has more than one application, not just for nullifying logia types in which you think is all its good for. You would know that it was more creative than that if you actually paid attention

6. thats even worse, if he's gonna be a hybrid of everything he might as well use it to his advantage and do something better than making a giant slash attack. I dont like the fact that kubo did all that, but its not like anything can be done about it. Might as well use it to your advantage and give him a cool power... but knowing how much of a troll kubo is then I wont expect anything extravagent

7. fanservice is also a big part of why FT is so full of fail, but hey if thats all your looking for then yes its a good series to use

1. No it didn't In the OP environment Luffy's powers are incredibly useful even without super strength and speed. for instance he never has to worry about blocking things like bullets and blunt force attacks since he doesn't take damage from bullets and blunt force attacks have to be incredibly powerful to damage him.

2. I'm guessing a pure blood, is someone who has the ability to adapt to all sort of spiritual changes. Meaning his blood isn't saturated with 1 type of signature ability, he can use them all. that's what I theorize a pure blood is anyway.

3. yes, making your point about Kubo giving him everything moot, even with him getting new powers all the time he still only uses the getsuga. Even when he had hollow powers(I personally don't think he has them anymore) he never once used a cero or anything .

4. You're backtracking, First you said it was shitty because ichigo got everything, now you say it;s shitty because he doesn't get anything. Ichigo's power is universal, he never needed any development, sure more creative ways to use his powers would have been nice, but he never needed them.

5. IIRC Luffy didn''t start getting any new attacks until well after the Time Skip.

6. That isn't what I think there is all to haki, but I feel that's why it was created, Specifically because without luffy would never beat a Logia user without some sort of plot device or a Logia DF of his own.

7. That's another thing, You people use the word troll wrong. Kubo is a moron with his story, not a troll. A troll is someone who deliberately gets you interested in something and pisses you off on purpose in the midst of it. Kubo is inadvertently screwing himself over, that's a sign of incompetence not trolling.

8. Yea the fan service does ruin it. but that's all there is to look forward to it at this point. You can't honestly tell me the last time you've been like "OH WOW I WONDER WHAT'S GOING ON IN FAIRY TAIL THIS WEEK!"

sorry for taking so long to respond, i have other obligations lol but back to the argument!

1. The reason that luffy's DF is so useful is because he's such a physical fighter, and he's practically a genius in a fight (while he is very absent of that in any other category :P)

2. the pureblood/mixblood thing we'll never be able to figure out, it's all bull crap imo :P

3. It is pretty stupid as hell that ichigo has all of the things possible in the friggin bleachverse possible within him, but theres no changing that. he needs more development if that is the case, just making the magnitude of his one attack stronger is kind of annoying

4. i still dont know what iirc means lol he got new attacks in the ennis lobby arc, thats when he really started to change.

5. maybe your right, maybe it was partially if not all (which i dont believe) created to beat logia types. but you know what? there are LOTS of plot device in bleach and naruto for the same case, such as ichigo AND naruto being unable to win their fights without the inner demon they both have. ichigo less so, but more or less the same. theres no way you could tell me either would have made it this far without those things inside them,which could be seen as plot device. and a DF user cant have another DF with Blackbeard as an exception, why? Unknown for now, most likely has to do with his own DF. anyway, last example of his plot device, since he's part quincy or whatever, the stupid bankai steal thing doesnt work on him... just saying, it's kinda annoying

6. Not true, one example of kubo's trolling is when he had gin turn on aizen, then everyone was all :D but then he killed him the next chapter and everyone was like :O lol also i guess the same could be said about ulqiourra but i didnt like either of them so :P but yes he's a very bad writer indeed... he also trolled with yama-jii in his last fight, making him look like a badass and then getting beat like a lameass soon after XD

7. yeah it's been a while... I mean SERIOUSLY! in the last chapter, it was literally Lucy and Natsu rolling with her NAKED on top... now I can say for sure on this one... Hiroshima is a F@@KIN TROLL

@solesamurai:

1. his DF only became useful because he had his own superstrength, his own speed, and he figured out a way to make it even more useful in combat

2. a pure blood would be a full shinigami or a full quincy but no... his blood is mixed with EVERYTHING if that's what you call a pure blood, then I cant imagine what a mixed blood is :P so in reality your opinion is moot

3. exactly, all he learned was ways of making his getsuga tensho bigger... not really anything else besides that

4. The reason kubo's writing is that shitty is for that very reason... theres no damn development with ichigo or his powers, just a higher scale version of the GT, as I said in the previous statement. It's not very imaginative. He literally has one move and the rest is moving around really fast and slashing. Luffy was creative with his fighting techniques and thus has made better uses of the DF he has

5. If you really think that is all there is to haki, then you are VERY naive (nice way of saying it) Haki has more than one application, not just for nullifying logia types in which you think is all its good for. You would know that it was more creative than that if you actually paid attention

6. thats even worse, if he's gonna be a hybrid of everything he might as well use it to his advantage and do something better than making a giant slash attack. I dont like the fact that kubo did all that, but its not like anything can be done about it. Might as well use it to your advantage and give him a cool power... but knowing how much of a troll kubo is then I wont expect anything extravagent

7. fanservice is also a big part of why FT is so full of fail, but hey if thats all your looking for then yes its a good series to use

@ChromeDisaster: luffy, zoro or possibly sanji could beat him or at least have a great chance of beating ichigo on their own if it was normal ichigo

@solesamurai: what he means is odin walks all over asura (thats what he's saying at least)

@solesamurai: alright then, let me break it down for you. First off I dont give a flying f##k about naruto but even he isnt as broken as Ichigo.

Luffy is the LEAST broken character of the three. First off he's got one of the most unlikely and considerably weak DF's in the series if you think about it. In fact if it were another person who didnt have super strength or speed, then this DF would be considered lame. Kings haki may be considered too much, but all it does is knock out weak willed people, and he isnt the only one on the show with it so that cant really be used! Ichigo is LITERALLY the only one in the entire series who is: a shinigami, quincy, fullbring and vizored... now the only thing missing from his line up is soul king and there you have it. Luffy needed a time skip to be as strong as he is now, naruto i cant say the same about but idgaf about him, winning over a demon of hate with the power of friendship is equally if not worse than shitty writing than what kubo has written... but it's not far off. anymore questions go ahead and ask :P if they do an actual time skip with ichigo learning about his quincy powers instead of standing in a place where time is all messed up (that was such a big plot device) then I will withdraw some of my judgement. also dont take all this the wrong way, I still love bleach, but some elements just piss me off like no other, even worse so for FT

the galactus thread is a stomp, so lets see if he has a chance here :3

Battle in space

@solesamurai: honestly speaking your the only one who thinks that (I'm sure others do to, but the majority would agree with me) The Punk Hazard arc was a very good arc considering it was right out the door of the new world, unlike the whole baroque works thing which dragged on far too long than it should have. also kubo is just so full of it at the moment, Ichigo is pretty much EVERYTHING in the bleach verse combined, I wouldnt be surprised if he trolled so hard as to make Ichigo the soul king by the end of this

@Fehafare: pfft if you say so, didnt hear about a one theory goat until that spite thread, and I'm usually more aware of the other mangas even smaller ones that go on but then again its a visual novel not a manga :P

The main reason this is an obscure fight is because not that no one knows it (which most dont) but because its a total mismatch. You have a guy who can control matter at an atomic level vs naruto, who i usually dont support, but when I saw this i couldnt help but comment. the speed thing is the only saving grace in this, but it also depends on how fast he can dish out this supposed atomic level control of matter

@Fehafare: ive heard of tales of dissadia or whatever if thats even related lol but it makes sense, but the person who makes the thread should know the strength of the person they have in a vs thread, such as how this same person pit that Goat guy against Goku, KNOWING FULL WELL that the goat would win, despite the fact that no one knew him

@Fehafare: i admit it does *cough cough* Fairy Tail fanservice *cough* but its still very well known and it makes it easier to argue in both sides instead of everyone asking what one side can do... because when that happens it usually means it's a spite thread

@Fehafare: never played it, but everyone knows mostly mainstream stuff, dont expect us to all know about some lousy occult following game that i can tell isnt very fun just from watching the thing that cerus played... but yes naruto loses if he doesnt act first, and in sage mode he's not that fast. after all it takes only five seconds to take advantage of peins repel attack and... he had to go fox XD

@othus12: psssh a lot of people would lose to cytorrak it aint a shame :P but he womps on regular colossus

@othus12: aokiji beats any water jutsus :P

@Fehafare: not to mention he even stated later that it doesnt go as fast as he said XD

@5th: plus intangibility beats that, if its off then sure it will affect them, but he does have to hit them with it first

@ImDictatorBowDown: Kizaru was barely doing anything to Z in the fight, the only reason he was actually starting to lose was because he was getting old, and needed that inhaler a lot. rayleigh never actually hit kizaru either save for when he stopped his light speed kick. also luffy beating Z was PIS since he got back up and started fighting again, not to mention he took a town level attack from kizaru and still kept fighting

@supernova7005: not really, his attack was mountain to island level but he can only use it once. as shown by Z, the higher tiers are all most likely in the island+ durability range. He tries to fight the whole verse then he gets stomped, dont wank for ichigo. Law legitimately cut the island in half so his slash could potentially match ichigos. it doesnt need to cause more destruction, but it does give him the oppurtunity to control him in the room. but if he does land the final GT then law loses of course

I'd say its a pretty even fight. Z was having the same amount of trouble with kizaru that rayleigh was, and thats only because his battle smasher weighed down his speed as kizaru even stated. I'd say this could go either way