Imperator100 (Level 15)

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Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

Goku can still be "just" a planetbuster if Frieza was too. Planets are of different masses. The strongest "planetbuster" would be able to produce roughly 100,000,000 X the amount of joules that the weakest "planetbuster" would be able too.

How is it not PIS when he survived being surround by celestial objects whose gravity would destroy the Earth while sleeping?

The Elder Dragon is limited against those whom are more powerful then he. Otherwise they could have just wished Cell/Buu away. And even if that was the case they would still have to make the wish before they were frozen in time and considering they are bloodlusted it's unlikely they would/

Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

@Frieza said:

@Imperator100 said:

By insulting the OBD in this way you make it more credible in my eyes.

Then why are you here?

Just because I find it more credible does not mean I find it as credible as, say, Anime Vice.

Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

You realize there are only 2 people arguing that the Dragon Trio would win debating against more people? Truely this is an example of the group suppressing the individual with their diabolic tools of "logic" and "rationality"

By insulting the OBD in this way you make it more credible in my eyes.

Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15
Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

I kinda doubt it takes a few minutes for the abstract concept of time to freeze time. Unless they start right next to each other Goku's hypersonic speed is going to be fast enough.

Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

I tried looking up the canonicity of Pokemon, although it's kinda weird in that not only are all the types of a media seperate canon (which is normal) but each one apparently has equal canonicity. There is three Pokemon "canons" The Manga, The Anime, and The Games (The Movies are considered part of the Anime canon.) Each version of the Dragon Trio has equivlent feats so it dosen't make that much of a difference although the outlier Meteor feat is only present in the Anime Canon. Anyway as the OP you are provided by the rules to pick whichever canonicity you want so ... yeah

Information about Pokemon canonicity: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Canon

So if we use the Manga version (since you took away the Game Canon and the Movie (Anime) Canon) uh... give me some time to look for Arceus manga feats on the web.

Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

It's always only canon unless specifically stated otehrwise. You have to say what is available or it defaults to canon material.

Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

Movie's not canon. Looked up the feat and apparently (from what I have read) Arceus is distratcted by attacks from Dialgia and Palkia and Pikachu gets a thunderbolt hit it. Arceus barely notices it.

Non-Canon and even if was it dosen't have any good feats.

Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

As I said I know barely anything about the Pokemon franchise. When did Pikachu's lightning ever bother Arceus?

Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

I didn't mean being in empty space, I meant being in th presence of celestial objects like those in the galaxies thatArceus had all around him while sleeping him. And Canoncity has nothing to do with being an outlier. It quite clearly it absurb that a character who could survive in the presence of a star (like the billions that would be in a galaxy circling Arceus) would be beaten by a meteor considering that most stars can crush planets with sheer gravity.

But he does have a durability feat outside that. See above comment to othus12

See above comments.

Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

I don't use it personally, and people really shouldn't. It's an outlier and besides that it's from the anime and non-canon. Likewise a meteor harming Arceus was an outlier and shouldn't be considered.0

What assumption am I making that can't be proven with simple science. Being in Space puts a giant amoutn fo pressure on the body, far mroe pressure then a meteor. The two feats contradict each other and Arceus having above meteor-like durability is more consistent with his other, universal scale feats and thus the meteor feat should be considered an outlier.

Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

I don't think you quite grasp the concept of "outlier" It'd be like saying Goku can oly lift 40 tons in base due to the fact that he could'nt lift 40 tons in Based in the Buu Saga despite the fact that tht makes no sense. Arceus has survived in the depths of space and since he was there before the unvierse he also survived the energy of the Big Bang he made. The meteor feat was just an outlier and shouldn't be counted any more then the 40 tons feat.

Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

It's perfectly reasonable to ask people to stay on the subject that the thread was created for.

Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

How? How can the saiyans damage the Dragon Trio when their true forms are intangible? The Saiyans have never shown the ability to attack non-corporeal beings before.

Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

They would still be intangible so it likely wouldn't matter to them anyway. Besides that the dragon balls take too long to use and the Pokemon are likely to freeze them in time or expode them with the energy of a big bang while they are activating it. Besides that even if the saiyans wished for immortality they could still be frozen in time and crushed using spacial manipulation which would reduce them to atoms. They would still be alive but I am assuming that would count as a victory for the Pokemon, even if not I still don't see why they are going to wish for immortality if they are bloodlusted.

Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

First of all just because it was stated that Buu could destroy the universe dosen't mean he can launch a unvierse buster. Nothing greater then a planetbuster has ever been seen in the DBZ Manga. Statements are not proof unto themselves, especially if contradicted by logic. And no, as shown Palkia and Dialgia can create a universe with hundreds of galaxies and Arceus is stronger then both. Also their destructive capacity is superior then their creation feats because creating a universe inside another universe would neccesarily destroy the first one due to the energy output of a big bang. Also without CIS they would fight in their true forms which are intangible so it really dosen't matter what speed the saiyans are at.

Likely Scenario: Both sides spawn. The Saiyans go Super Saiyan and the Pokemon go into their true forms. The Saiyans use their greater speed to attack them, however their attacks go through the intangible bodies of the Pokemon. Either Dialgia or Arceus freezes the Saiyans in time (imagine Guldo's ability to freeze people in time but with an unlimited timespan.) Then any of the three of them create a new universe in the local area, generating the energy of a big bang which destroys the saiyans and the Pokemon likely survives just through the fact that they are intangible or if that would fail they enter into their individual pocket universes.

Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

I thought bloodlusted just meant they were going full-out?

Anyway besides that while they fight with their physical forms in the movie that dosen't mean that if their physical forms were destroyed then they would cease to exist. Even if you destroyed their physical forms their true form would still be there and would just conjure up another one.

Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15
Post by Imperator100 (107 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta vs Arceus, Palkia, and Dialga

How is the thread still going? This is three cosmic cube level beings versus three low herald level beings.

How are the Saiyans going to harm the Pokemon. Their true forms are intangible:

and have a universal level range which means they will be able to use their hax and universal-level powers to win.

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