@GIRUGAMESH: im not talking about archie...for the last time...I HATE ARCHIE! IM NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. game sonic himself could pwn all in base mode. he defeated a universal reality/space/time warper in base mode in 30 seconds. DC/Marvel is just a bunch of overpowered broken poppycock. and he can beat anyone stronger than him, so yeah, if these DC/Marvel people are "stronger" than sonic, it doesnt matter.
he beat 5 beings that were way above his power but yet he won. being stronger doesnt matter to him.
@GIRUGAMESH: done talking, made my point. naruto cant do anything against the force especially WARPING SPACE AND CHOKING THE VERY LIFE OUT OF HIM. im not doing this thing anymore. you wont even listen. oh and btw? i cant even see the "amazing pictures" you put up anyway.
@GIRUGAMESH: i cant BELIEVE that you are so biased that you dont even BOTHER to even RESEARCH the force as a whole. 40ton+? the force DEBATABLE? you obviously haven looked at the show/movies or even played the games.
READ THIS. (if you can stop babbling that biased mouth of yours for ONE SECOND.)
"The Force can enhance natural physical and mental abilities, including strength (such as during a "Force jump" or to slow a fall from an otherwise dangerous height) and accuracy (as when Luke Skywalker was able to launch proton torpedoes into a two-meter-wide thermal exhaust port on the Death Star in A New Hope). A number of other Force powers are demonstrated in the film series including telekinesis, telepathy, levitation, deep hypnosis, enhanced empathy, reflexes, precognition, and enhanced speed. The Jedi were also able to influence and control the minds of others by making use of the Jedi mind trick. The Sith use an ability called Force Lightning which is a lightning-like manifestation of the dark side of the Force that can be used either in combat or as an instrument of excruciating torture (as demonstrated by Emperor Palpatine in Return of the Jedi and Revenge of the Sith andCount Dooku in Attack of the Clones). The Force also gives enhanced skills in lightsaber combat.
Within the Star Wars Expanded Universe, a number of other powers have been demonstrated, such as the ability to heal or drain the life force of others, increase resistance to attack, warp space and to dissipate energy attacks (which has been demonstrated on-screen by Yoda in Attack of the Clonesduring his battle with Count Dooku)."
lol now you see that all Darth Vader has to do is burn them all to death in just a couple easy seconds. XD im laughing at your biased attitude towards everything. oh, so you dont know about anything, so it means they lose? NO WAY BUB. apparently you know even less than zero about star wars.
im gonna quote it again: " The Jedi were also able to influence and control the minds of others by making use of the Jedi mind trick. The Sith use an ability called Force Lightning which is a lightning-like manifestation of the dark side of the Force that can be used either in combat or as an instrument of excruciating torture (as demonstrated by Emperor Palpatine in Return of the Jedi and Revenge of the Sith andCount Dooku in Attack of the Clones). The Force also gives enhanced skills in lightsaber combat."
lol i hope you know that Darth Vader isnt even human! (but you dont...you know nothing about star wars XD) so alien mind rape is a lot different that human mind rape. it would be super easy to dig through the mind of those weaklings. he could just simply stand still, and just wave his hand, and instantly all the naruto characters would turn on each other. before they even had consciousnesses of what they were doing, they would be killing each other. LITERALLY. im not lying about this. literally, before they knew it, they would die.
and the force can also make enhanced skill in the lightsaber. darth not terrifying with a lightsaber? whatever..
"The Lightsaber's blade cuts through most substances without resistance. It leaves cauterizedwounds in flesh, but can be deflected by another Lightsaber's blade, or by energy shields. Some exotic saber-proof materials have been introduced in the Expanded Universe. An active Lightsaber gives off a distinctive hum, which rises in pitch and volume as the blade is moved rapidly through the air. Bringing the blade into contact with an object or another Lightsaber's blade produces a loud crackle."
like i said, darth without the force is still scary. all he has to do is just neatly slice naruto characters in half, end of battle.
OR darth could make their mind turn into pure pig lard by torture. or can make them all think they won by mind tricks and walk away. darth would have too much pride to deal with these guys. at most, they all would get a little chuckle from him.
before i go on, didnt i just say that darth said HIMSELF that destroying a PLANET would by all means, shrink into a nonentity NEXT TO THE FORCE?! a rhino is nowhere NEAR as big as a planet, an even it was, it still doesnt matter, because the Force can deal with a planet EASILY. 40ton+ debatable! PFFT! AS IF!
again , i quote : "Within the Star Wars Expanded Universe, a number of other powers have been demonstrated, such as the ability to heal or drain the life force of others, increase resistance to attack, warp space and to dissipate energy attacks (which has been demonstrated on-screen by Yoda in Attack of the Clonesduring his battle with Count Dooku)."
all darth has to do is literally, yank/rip the very essence of their souls out their scrawny bodies. and literally, before they knew it, they would die. lol i cant believe you think they're winning here! but then again, you ARE biased. those stupid rassengans, chidori's and chakra foolhardy arent even anything to think ONCE about with darth. he could dissipate those. or all he could he could just warp space and drag naruto and his "pals" into nothing ness. there are LOTS of ways to kill these morons.
in the second movie, luke skywalker (who was still outclassed by his dad darth,) could lift an entire spaceship out of a swamp. im pretty sure it weighed more than some stupid rhino!
yoda lifted this colossal thing with just one hand. lol come on naruto! try that!
darth can draw out the very air of a being by doing nothing. just by a lift of a finger, that man was toppling on edge mortality for those quick seconds. in the name of darth vader, "I find your lack of faith disturbing." this guy in the vid was running his ugly, biased, ignorant mouth (hm! like YOU! O.O) about how much the force cant do. look above.
oh! and it so happens that what i was talking about is right in this video. 1:20-1:27 he says it right there.
1:52. when he told darth to stop, he stops but quite dismissively. like he didnt care if he lived or died. he could do this to naruto but much faster than he did to that idiot. now, unless you have something else to say against this titanic proof of how the Force and lightsaber can mutilate the naruto characters, i suggest shushing.
@UltimateHero0406: no......i AM using game shadow. i love game shadow. he is the best one. what i said about defeating an immortal being that could control time and space in base form is in games...here is the vid. :/
@SpeedForceSpider: you want evidence? i got it bro. i was just waiting for you to ask.
1st shadow doesnt "die" here because he CANT. he is immortal. evidence?
"Shadow is immortal, and does not age." sonic wikia: (http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Shadow_the_Hedgehog)
it was also said in his game that he cannot die also, just ask for evidence on that too.
shadow doesnt need super form until reality warping or control of time and space come into hand. if not, he can easily handle the being with utmost ease. even then, there was a being who could contol time and space, and shadow handled that guy in base form with no emerald.
the guy shadow is fighting is called mephiles.
info on mehiles: "Mephiles can manipulate and move through time with an ability similar to Chaos Control." sonic wikia (http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Mephiles_the_Dark#Abilities)
" In addition, he has enough control over his abilities of time manipulation to separate pursuing enemies, as evidenced by how he managed to escape Omega and Shadow after their first fight in the future."
he is also immortal, surviving every single fight he has been in, being "brought down" by lost of weapons and head on fights, but always lives.
this guy was basically a Q from star trek, but yet shadow beat him without trouble in base form. i have researched on this Ulquiorra guy, and he has no such things in his abilities. even if he could "beat" shadow, it would be a useless fight, because shadow is immortal.
im not even getting into super shadow. he is much stronger than himself in base, and anyway, he isnt allowed.
shadow can ban beings from the universe. "Chaos Rift (カオスリフト): Shadow opens a rift in time and space, then launches it at a foe in an attempt to banish it." sonic wikia (http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Shadow_the_Hedgehog#POW_Moves)
shadow could easily do that and end of battle. since shadow controls time and space in base form, he could easily just stop time and mutilate Ulquiorra, or make a portal that leads to nothingness and simply toss him into it. he is not using chaos control, because shadow has theses powers and doesnt need to use chaos contol, but uses chaos powers.
want more? just look at his intro, where he uses chaos control only for self teleportation (like the rules say) and uses chaos powers.
if you want more proof, just ask. there is still a lot shadow can do in base form. (oh and shadow can take on literally 1,000,000 beings at one time, he said so himself.)
@GIRUGAMESH: lol funny i wasnt even talking to you. thats EXACTLY what i was talking about. the Force as a whole. thats what i MEANT. shee... you dont even deserve a facepalm right now. i cant BELIEVE you would see past me like that.
oh and no, i havent seen him destroy a planet, but im going to take his word for what HE said, in the OFFICIAL movie, made by GEORGE LUCUS HIMSELF. and he said destroying a planet is nothing compared to the force. and a question for you: when have the naruto char. even come close to destroying a planet? lol NEVER. my narutotard of a friend said, and i say proudly said that naruto can toss a RHINO...really?!
and darth vader WITHOUT the force is still terrifying. he has the light saber. nothing of their little "knives" and rasengans will do a single thing. they would all melt to the high powered heat of the light saber, anyway...chidori (as well as most of all of sasuke's and ALL of the naruto characters attacks...) is so much of a close range its ridiculous. all darth would do is wait for that idiot to run right into his trap, and slice him neatly in half, therefore instantly killing him, end of battle.
even then, without the Force OR the light saber, he still is immensely manipulative, and can convince naruto to give up his power or something like that. lets be truthful here, naruto characters are very weak in the mind;very impressionable. come on! sasuke could "mind rape" (if you can call that weak attack mind rape) at freaking 12 years old! i know he was very advanced for his age and the whole "uchiha clan" and all that, but even then, some of the adults were stronger than him at points, so obviously mind raping a person in the naruto verse is like licking ice cream. so convincing someone in there would be easy compared to the powerful darth vader. in fact, sasuke was so good in making naruto think he was his friend, to this day, he still thinks that! while sasuke is getting on with his life, naruto is still holding onto the gay dream he has thinking sasuke is still his friend. please. i cant believe that someone nearly at a type of god levels is being compared to these human weaklings.
NOT A ONE. didnt Darth just say (i have all the movies) "The power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force"? naruto char. cant even destroy 1/3 of a planet. at most they are at continent levels.
there are too many joy rapes he'll do to them
posses them all to kill each other off
literally rip ALL the demons/chakra out off all of them and surging them with the force (not like their weak powers would help him in the force)
suck the oxygen out of the air
or just wave his hand and set them all on fire from the inside out
mind rape them by turning them insane
also, the Force help people get faster, going light speeds, maybe even above considerably.
@VG_Addict: i really think goku wins. with that proof of "punches that would topple earthly cities and mountains" goku does that by simply powering up. and with DBZ villains that scream away dimensions...yeah, all of my money is on goku.
Shadow would very well end the battle without even having to go to super. If he does, I claim that is over kill, and Vegeta would have to beg for mercy for his poor soul.
FOR THOSE WHO THINK VEGETA IS JUST TO FAST FOR SHADOW....
This video shows already tons of what Shadow can do, and that doesn't even come to even half of all his feats. At 0:48-0:49 Shadow teleports (Chaos Control) in an instant for the first of his many times in this vid (0:59-1:03). WHICH MEANS: Instant Transmission is utterly useless. Shadow could easily catch up with it, and Vegeta would be forced to use a different tactic. I also understand that Instant Transmission (From now on calling it IT) is somewhat NEAR the speed of light, if definitely not AT light speed. But Shadow is much faster than light, in fact, about 5 to 10x below of being I FTL. Since Shadow compares to Sonic in speed as much as power,(everybody knows that) and if Sonic is I FTL (that's right, game Sonic is I FTL as well as archie), that means that Shadow is very near of being I FTL. Pure logic says this. Vegeta is nowhere near as fast as Shadow, and if you absolutely refuse to accept this, you at least have to say Shadow's speed is evenly matched to Vegeta. This is non biased info, due to the official vid shown.
FOR THOSE WHO THINK VEGETA OWNS SHADOW BY POWER AND/OR STRENGTH:
At 1:05, Shadow is warming up to do one of his most dominant attacks, Chaos Blast (duy, as he says in the vid.), and performs it at 1:11. (just to throw it in there, Shadow also deflected bullets by doing nothing at 1:03, but it just shows more of what he can do, not that it's impressive)
"Chaos Blast: Shadow concentrates his usual Chaos Blast into a sphere of energy within his hand, and delivers it in concentrated beam of chaos energy that may weaken affected targets."
This is - as proven in the vid - shows that Chaos Blast hits everything within a radius.
NOW THEN: More on Shadow.
I have met lots of DBZ fans that say the fact of "Vegeta destroying planets" by default makes him "better" or "stronger" than Shadow.
And here's a little question for you all.
Who says SHADOW can't do it either?
At 0:45 he flatout says he will. The Sonic universe by no means whatsoever have no trouble with "planet destruction". Just because your precious DBZ characters can do it doesn't mean others can't.
Shadow's power not only comes up to "planet busting" but up to so much more heights DBZ can never catch up. (up to millions of miles above DBZ, yet)
In 2:34 Eggman says that Solaris is omnipresent, living the all 3 timelines (Past, Present, and Future). In the actual gameplay, it can be confusing to think they all paired up to defeat him/it, but that is not the case. All of them (Sonic, Shadow, and Silver) were in their own timelines defeating Solaris on their on. In 3:27 and further on, Solaris's immortality and even more feats are stated. Think about it. If it takes just ONE super hedgehog to defeat omnipresent, immortal beings that have Megaversal levels, what will Super Shadow do to poor SSJ (or any version of) Vegeta? Like I said, Super Shadow is just too much overkill. Vegeta is on (at most) galactic levels. But Solaris would easily defeat him, since he eats everything in existence for "brunch". The fact of his existing was already threat of time and space. Let me just expand you a bit more on Solaris. Look at this next video (please).
Shadow is far superior to a mere machine (Something like Android 18).
3:45 describes all about his power. And even then, I have more to say about him.
In order to "defeat" (defeat, because he is immortal) Solaris, you have to be 1/3 omnipresent, and you have to have the power to not get eaten up by existence. The reason why I say this is because while Shadow, Sonic, and Silver were defeating Solaris, he was still eating dimensions and existence. While fighting, they had to have the power to resist getting...well...in a way...eaten. Not only this, everything Solaris is eating includes time, so that mean, nothing, and I mean nothing is left when Solaris is done with it. Only a big "thing" (since space is eaten too) of nonexistence is left. I have never (and have yet to see) someone in DBZ have or defeat/kill characters of this power.
NOW ONTO MEPHILES...
Mephiles, just to give a hint on his power, is immortal (like most Sonic villains), can manipulate and move right through time with his willpower alone,meaning he can travel time, making him much faster than DBZ character ever made. (And has been the only one to kill Sonic.) He can also make an unlimited amount of clones of himself. No, this is not Naruto, when their "dopplegangers" are weaker than the original creators (wtheck?). But in a way, it is. The clones that Mephiles makes of himself are much weaker than him, but with just two Chaos Emeralds, they are "perfect" clones. In other words, if the "original" Mephiles "died"(this being impossible, since he is immortal, but for the sake of argument this is just an example...) a clone would take his place, and have the same ability, strength, speed, durability, (the whole thing) of the "original" Mephiles. Am I lying?
See for yourself, DBZ Fans!
And Shadow defeated them all. No. NO Super Shadow. No. NO help either. Base? Yeah. By just his "Chaos Cuffs" (as I like to say) he destroyed PERFECT Mephiles's including the original by just ramming them. By using 2 infinite energy supplies, he easily defeated all of them. In base form. (Not to be the wet towel or anything, but infinite energy is what Vegeta lost to and Goku died from.) And no, he did not tire out. He put them back on with the same energy as he had when to took them off. ( No, this is not Naruto, when they unleashed their "ultimate power" and all of a sudden that means they pass out)
"Chaos Control (カオスコントロール Kaosu Kontorōru) is aChaos Power that allows the user to warp time and space, usually with the mystical Chaos Emeralds or with a link to the Archie exclusive Chaos Force. It was first utilized byShadow the Hedgehog during the events of Sonic Adventure 2. While first introduced as a way to teleport over large distances, Chaos Control has since been evolved into a overall term for any supernatural reality manipulation conducted through the power of the Chaos Emeralds, allowing incredible feats such as traveling through time and between dimensions."
Shadow can also control time and space (Chaos Control). Look above at 6:00 of my Sonic feats and Powers video. He warps an entire space colony from the middle of the earth into the outer realm of the earth. Since Vegeta is tons smaller than that colony, his demise would be instantaneous. All Shadow has to do his by a snap of his finger, Vegeta is warped to the sun and burned to a crisp. (I would like to note that it didn't take Shadow to go Super to do this, he was just still in his Super form from the battle before with his father and decided to do it while he still was. He can do this while he is in his base mode) Even Broly cannot survive something like this.You know when I said previously that "Shadow would very well end the battle without even having to go to super."? That is exactly what I mean. Super Shadow also has the power of the Chaos Emeralds (duh), and the Chaos Emeralds have unlimited power, making Super Shadow have an infinite energy supply, which I must note again, that is what Vegeta lost to. (SSJ Vegeta vs. 18)
But since DBZ fans tend to stay small minded and micro-focus on "Planet Bustin', this should be interesting.
"Doctor Eggman tears Earth apart using Chaos Control, and Sonic and Tails are separated from Knuckles, Amy, and Cream. The two begin to search for their friends and the source of the trouble (which is the separation of the Chaos Emeralds)."
(http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_Advance_3) Chaos Control has proven to rip apart planets.. Not "blow", not "bust". Rip, as in tear (Shadow has proven to have full mastery over ALL chaos attacks, thus his nickname: Lord of Chaos). Thus, this confirms Shadow (and possibly Super Sonic) as a planet buster.
AND NOW FOR MY LAST COMMENTS BEFORE MY LEAVE OF MY POST OF SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG....
Shadow is immortal. Yup. Totally, undeniably, completely, 100% immortal (the main thing that Vegeta wanted all his life). The reason why I bring this up is not only because it is another one of Shadow's infinite feats (literally meaning "infinte" here), but because I have see a lot of comments saying that Vegeta would "kill" Shadow in some way (which is not true). I have also seen lots of people say that immortal simply means that you live long, but it doesn't mean you cannot die.They think that you can still die from forced attemts (for example, if someone stabs you). According to my many research websites I have went to, this is the true meaning of "immortal".
Simalar words to this is "imperishable" and "indestuctable".
Some people even like to say that Shadow is even "ageless." But what they think is denying that Shadow is immortal, is actually reinstating it. For "ageless" means "immortal" (Not to mention that when I looked up "immortal" the first time I researched, it told me to look up God. Not a god, THE God.)
Now this doesn't mean Shadow will not be harmed, oh yes, Shadow can get hurt (If Vegeta can harm him, because from my proof above, he can't, but for an example), but he can't die.
SO unless some people still want "proof" (which I have proved plenty, so I do not see why those people would, but nonetheless, if you want more, just ask), we have come the the conclusion that Shadow cannot die under any means possible. Not even evaporation can stop him, because would have to die, which he cannot (or is not subject to death).
Also, Super Shadow (including all Super forms in the Sonic universe) are invincible to all physical attacks (and Vegeta, as well as all DBZ characters, fight only on physical levels), and you have to be as powerful as Mephiles (at the very least) and/or Solaris before to even be considered of hurting/harming Super Shadow (which is why again I say Super Shadow is overkill). You see, Solaris and Mephiles don't attack physically, but mess with space and time. If you have the ability to not only mess with space and/or space, but to also have the durability that matches you power equally or more, you will then hurt a Super being. If you don't, it's like trying to melt diamonds, or destroy the Chaos Emeralds. Vegeta has none of these powers, thus putting his chances of beating Shadow even lower.
I have also seen people say that Vegeta has dealt with time manipulators, and even go as far to say "with ease."
1st, Gurdo was distracted. 2nd, he was one of the weakest fighters in all the Ginyu Force. But the 2nd doesn't matter. Weak or not, he could in fact beat even Frieza (if he was quick enough, but Frieza is of course too fast for him, but for the sake of argument). That power alone domimated Vegeta, as well as Krillin, Gohan, and the others. The only real reason why he was killed was really because he ran out of breath. The second downfall was that he was entirely distracted. And the third, he was mortal. Shadow won't "run out of breath" because he doesn't need to, he won't be distracted because it's a fight with him and Vegeta only, and Shadow can't die as stated above. But if Vegeta killed Gurdo while time freeze was going on, then Shadow would have a real problem on his hands. But that wasn't the case.
Please do not try to lecture me on DBZ (namely Vegeta). I look at the show as well as the movies, and if you try to lie, I will simply point it out. I didn't just look up "Vegeta vs Gurdo", look at the scene, and forget all about it. In fact, I love the show. But if you just simply refuse to believe that Shadow can kill Vegeta in numerous ways just because your love for Vegeta so long has blinded you in some way, remember, I love Vegeta too. But it's not sentimental values that make a being win. It's facts and feats. If you insist on raging that Vegeta wins "because he can burst planets, he can do this and that", re-read my post or you will just be called biased. But think about it, besides Sonic, Shadow is the only one that can kill Vegeta (in terms of the Sonic universe). If not for them, Vegeta kills the rest (besides Goku). Vegeta is extemely powerful and it's just a small ratio he dies to, and that is good, proving that Vegeta's speed/power/strength wipes out mostly all fictional beings. If it makes you feel any better, Sasuke gets utterly annialated by Vegeta, not matter what those Narutards say.
P.S. I beg of you, for anyone who reads this (or not) but wants to quote this, please DO NOT quote what I say, just please reply at me. It just takes up way too much space, like below.