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Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Toriko vs Nappa

@othus12 said:

if nappa gets a ki blast in he may win.. however with food honor i dont see that happening anytime soon.

idk i always saw dragon ball characters having ridiculous energy output and energy resist. however they havent shown much for actual muscle strenght. and they dont seem that durable against actual punches or kicks. i can tell some instances:

-vegeta getting damaged by rocks big rocks but nothing mountain sized.

-goku only being able to lift 40 tons on base form and this goku is thousands of times stronger than nappa. if his energy output were as good as his strenght he would be able to lift planet earth and even more.

-gohan finding hard to carry the Z sword which shouldnt weight more than 500 tons.

if my theory is true then the attacks of toriko should be able to damage and kill nappa

in those instances toriko characters are wayy above dragon ball characters and that's why i think they can damage them. sani can reflect away almost 100 million tons. it might sound funny and incredible but if the gets gohan with hair marionette he wouldnt be able to move even on sjj2.

I think the point that you're missing is that brute strength doesn't equal striking power in dragonball. There are multiple instances of this being the case. Vegeta with a swat deflected Zarbon's attack which would at the least be island level+. Goku drop kicked Freeza with enough force to shatter through two islands and cause the whole battle field for few mile radius to tremble violently. This is easily class 100+ striking power. Freeza deflected with a kick an attack that would at the least destroy a moon or small planet. SSJ3 Goku deflected a blast with a hammer fist that destroyed 1/10th of the planet. Also if lifting strength meant so much then why didn't Piccolo and Vegeta one-shot Goku when they both went huge and hit him? Clearly brute strength isn't as important a stat in dragonball as it is in say comics.

Dragonball is also not the only one where this is the case. Kenshin Himura I don't think is even a class 100 pounder really and yet he is able to match blades with guys like Hajime Saito and Makoto Shishio. Two guys as strong or stronger than Sanosuke Sagara who wields a blade that weighs 300 pounds with ease. Why? Because Kenshin uses his own Kenki or swordsman ki that increases the striking force of his blade. There are probably plenty of other examples in other mangas where this is the case but I hope my point is clear enough already. These guys focus their Ki behind their blows. It's not just about bench press.

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Majin Buu » Provin it Kid buu > Fat buu and possibly stronger than Super Buu

It doesn't matter what the anime says. What's stated in the manga proves that Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. I used to think otherwise too but I've long since changed. Sorry but Mystic Buu>Buff Buu>Super Buu>Kid Buu>SSJ3 Goku(yeah I said it. Goku may be somewhat more powerful but unless he gets a minute to charge up an attack he'd lose to Kid Buu 10/10 times. Too much speed and Power to keep Goku occupied plus with that hax regeneration that can only be countered by either A) Fighting another Buu or B) Apparently fighting Birusu and his God Power.) The only thing Kid Buu has on Super Buu is how much more evil and psychotic he is.

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Superman vs Suppaman

Suppaman does what he always does: Joins the other guys side and has Arale beat him. Not sure if that means he gets to go to the premiere though.....

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Sailor Galaxia vs Goku (Super Saiyan God)

@SilverGalford: The biggest problem with your argument is that it suffers from a huge flaw. This flaw is that according to your own dbz interpretation First Form Freeza would be able to easily defeat SSJ3 Goku by just simply challenging him to a beam struggle. This is something that kills your argument.

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Ginyu Force Vs Power Rangers

@DBZ_universe: Peter Griffin said it best: "Just try not to look directly into it."

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Sailor Galaxia vs Goku (Super Saiyan God)

Saying Goku can't planet bust is stupid. Saying he can't control his ki blasts is beyond ridiculous. There are several examples of the cast of dragonball controlling their ki blasts. Piccolo's hellzone grenade is nothing but control. Goku can bend the kamehameha at will and has been able to since he was a kid. Hell he can even fire one through his feet for the sole purpose of just speedblitzing his opponent. Vegeta calculated the angle of his Final Flash perfectly to avoid destroying the earth when he fired it at Cell and the list just goes on and on. All you have to do is just read the manga to know this basic fact.

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Sailor Galaxia vs Goku (Super Saiyan God)

@DBZ_universe said:

Goku can blow up planets... end of discussion.

Agreed. If he wasn't then how come his opponents didn't just challenge him to a beam struggle since they are clearly more powerful? Oh, no wait they did and he won anyway. Nevermind.

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Sailor Galaxia vs Goku (Super Saiyan God)

@SilverGalford: Um....clearly somebody just doesn't want Goku to be a planet buster. Because 1) It seemed pretty obvious that Goku was able to manipulate the spirit bomb that killed Buu. That's kind of why it went in a downward arc. It's also why he needed to have his energy return so he could push it through to victory. 2) Cell who is also made up of Freeza's cells who is a confirmed casual planet buster couldn't believe what Goku was risking. That alone should tell you something. Goku has never busted a planet before. This is true but he has also never even destroyed a city before. So acting like a guy who is not even a confirmed city buster can take on guys who can casually planet bust all the while using the exact same power formula makes no sense at all.

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Sailor Galaxia vs Goku (Super Saiyan God)

@MarioRedfield said:

Oh please, people try to de bunk Superman benching the earth. People are so biased they can't see straight.

I assume you're talking about him doing it for five days in the New52.....in his own comic which should carry far more weight than any b.s that happens outside of them.

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Dangai Ichigo vs 23rd BT Goku

@supernova7005: Actually Piccolo bragged about it as not being a big thing. Just something he can do easily. Also the moon is not closer to Dragonball Earth than it is to ours. Akira Toriyama states this when a fan asked him how long can the nyoibo staff extend. There is gravity on our moon as well just not much. Another thing is after reading a number of Akira Toriyama's works it seems pretty clear that you can't call yourself a powerhouse unless you can destroy the moon. I can't think of any other author who abuses this thing as much as he has. It's just the way he makes powerhouses. Moon busting is the norm for him.

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Dangai Ichigo vs 23rd BT Goku

@supernova7005: He was useless because he was drained from practicing the Ma Fu Ba technique and getting his butt kicked by Drum. When he saved Goku from the first big blast that Piccolo sent he collapsed from exhaustion. Also, yeah being drained quite a bit would reduce their power down quite a bit. One more thing: while I know you're fighting about Muten Roshi being a moon buster acting like 23rd Tenkaichi Goku isn't one is pushing too far. Piccolo was only a little stronger without the weighted clothes when he blew up the moon than he was at this time. However he only used a basic blast to do it and with his weighted clothes on. If he used a special powerful technique to do it that would be one thing but acting like Piccolo with his power suppressed has more power with a basic blast than a super kamehameha from Goku during this tournament is a shaky argument to say the least.

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Dangai Ichigo vs 23rd BT Goku

@supernova7005: I think you're not taking into account the fact that by that point Goku and Piccolo were drained. In Dragonball the less ki they have the less durable they are. It's as simple as that.

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Dangai Ichigo vs 23rd BT Goku

@DBZ_universe said:

@supernova7005: Even if he didn't he is still in moon busting level.

Unless you also wanna call SSJ Goku a non planet buster cause he never did it...

And if you use this logic SSJG Goku isn't a moon buster either. Or a city buster, afterall Goku has never really destroyed much of anything. How in the world he has survived against so many powerful opponents who range from casual moon busting all the way to now casual solar system busting becomes one of the great mysteries of fiction.

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Seiya (Saint Seiya) vs. Superboy-Prime (DC)

@Kuma_From_Argentina: Yeah. The guy who accidentally knocked a heroines head across smallville. The guy who ripped a guys arm off, let him live only to have the guy seek revenge on and then just rip his other arm off. The guy who beat the crap out of Sodom Ion Yat in easily the best battle I've seen in comics. The guy who green lantern rings are afraid of and who punked Black Adam. The guy who could kill Superman easily. Yeah, I find this true Superboy to be a really neat badass of a character.

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Seiya (Saint Seiya) vs. Superboy-Prime (DC)

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@GrayWolf2 said:

I don't understand why so many people hate Prime. He's one of my favorite comic characters.

Same here bro.

Cool. The only thing that annoyed me about Prime is how the writers butchered him at the end. He had the potential to make a great Legion villain and instead they had him get taken out by the Teen Titans? Just a bunch of crap. Way to ruin a good character DC.

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Seiya (Saint Seiya) vs. Superboy-Prime (DC)

I don't understand why so many people hate Prime. He's one of my favorite comic characters.

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Son Goku vs Arale

@ReiKai: You sure about that? Because anytime I looked up stuff about her online she is listed as having died at that time.

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Son Goku vs Arale

If you allowed speedblitz any Freeza level character would take Arale out pretty easily. Her blunt force durability is fine but her energy attack durability stinks. She was taken out by an energy attack that was only powerful enough to cut the earth in half (bizzarely ironic) and it seems that everyone is forgetting that Arale was killed either by Super Buu's human extermination attack or when Kid Buu blew up the earth. Take your pick.

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

General Discussion » Mystic Broly???

Broly's powerlevel increases constantly even without the elderly kais help. Having him sit for a day or so and amplifying his power at a greater degree than normal is just asking to have your universe destroyed.

Post by GrayWolf2 (327 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » SSJ2 Teen Gohan Vs LSSJ Broly

@ReiKai said:

Like I said, it only ever really works for the anime. And Manga > Anime in terms of power anyway. Either way the rest falls under Multiversal law, which is all but effectively made true by the DBO story that has a group messing with events across time. Which, as I have explained elsewhere, may very well be the reason why and how Bardock ended up in the past.

Hmm now there's an interesting thought.

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