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Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Bills vs. Yi Xing Long

@niBBit said:

@GrayWolf2 said:

@niBBit: Bisuru wins by being superior in every way to this failed alternate dragonball universe character.

How is he superior than Omega Shenron?

Speed, Durability,H2H combat ability, Destructive Capacity, Likeability, Far more swag, Actually being Canon the list is numerous.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Bills vs. Yi Xing Long

@niBBit: Bisuru wins by being superior in every way to this failed alternate dragonball universe character.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Bills vs. Yi Xing Long

Birusu already won this when he was created. Thanks to him we no longer have to pay attention to this crap.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Android 17 vs. Metal Cooler.

@alternative_backup: I understand but if it was me the only stipulation I would do is no army of Metal Coolers. Take that away and it is still an interesting fight even with the regen and increasing durability. He did after all find a way to lose to two super saiyans even though he was dominating them. Also I don't think the Androids start off using full power so his first power-up shouldn't be a game changer.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Android 17 vs. Metal Cooler.

What's the point of even using Meta Cooler if you're gonna take away the things that make him more dangerous than he was before? Anyway, I see 17 finding a way to win even though with Cooler's mastery over instantaneous movement it'll be a real pain for him to even hit him. Honestly I think if it wasn't for a little PIS neither Goku or Vegeta should've been able to with him being a lot better than Goku at it.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Toriko vs Vegeta

@Son_Wukong: Your part about Buutenks deflecting Gohan's attack is a good one for DBZ striking power. The number of times powerful energy blasts have been deflected by simple punches,kicks, and in some rare cases by just someone blowing on them is numerous.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Toriko vs Nappa

@othus12: I don't know if I'd say it pales in comparison. If their strikes carried so little power then how do they hurt each other with them? And if they hurt then how come everybody isn't incinerated every time they take on an energy blast? To me their usual striking power reflects what their power level is. It's just more concentrated. Now, saying that I have to come up with reason for the energy blasts and that is to increase the overall power. When Goku fought Raditz his powerlevel was in the low 400's and his kamehameha was around 1,000. Raditz of course neutralized it with one hand. Later Gohan raged and hit 1,300 in power. He then did a flying headbutt with only that power and it severely injured Raditz. It wasn't a blast, just a focused strike. Had it been a blast it would have had probably over 2,000 in power and it would have been bye bye Raditz. What I'm getting at is essentially Goku would hit with a power of 400 but his blasts would have 2-3 times more power usually. He can of course concentrate all of his power in a single strike but that's not exactly the norm. So, do his strikes have the same power as his blasts, not usually, but I wouldn't say they're not really close.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Sensui VS Frieza

There are only two characters in Yu Yu Hakusho that I can think of that can even hurt Freeza. And that's only because of their dimensional cutting abilities. Even still they'd be dead before they even knew Freeza had moved.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Toriko vs Nappa

@othus12 said:

@GrayWolf2: dragon ball is made up of inconsistency. i like to go only with the official numbers they give us rather than making calcs myself. i think that's a way of understanding what toriyama is trying exactly to tell us. this also applies to goku's 40 ton feat. maybe he has shown more but 40 tons is what toriyama thinks gokus strenght is at. and to me that is what matters. suddenly because of making the calcs ourselves we tend to overestimate characters (suddenly guys pop up saying some naruto characters are massively hypersonic due to this errors)

Perhaps so but when it comes to Dragonball nearly everything is based off of our own calcs sadly. We say stuff like they're the speed of sound, or hypersonic, massively hypersonic, sub-light, speed of light or faster when we don't even have a confirmation of them being the speed of sound. The only number we have on Snake Way is it's a million kilometers long. Does this mean that the loops take away from that? Maybe. But I don't recall any real confirmation of that in the manga. It's just an assumption. Goku lifting 40 tons is about the only one I can think of that works. But even then assuming that Goku can only hit like a 40 tonner is wrong since he strikes with his ki. So the only stat that has a perfectly legit real number to it that can't be disputed much is essentially useless. Dragonball can be a real pain sometimes.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Sensui VS Frieza

Kinda disappointed really. With all the yyh wank that's been going on I was expecting a Yusuke or Sensui vs Broly thread.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Toriko vs Nappa

@othus12: Glad we could get to an understanding on that. Saying that let's move on. In all likelihood Toriko is a lot faster than Nappa. That is not really a question. What you said about Snake Way may or may not be true but here's the problem with Snake Way: It seems to nerf the usual speed of the characters. I didn't think this before honestly yesterday but when I looked up all these distances and started to calculate how fast the characters in Saiyan Saga were moving using Snake Way as a speed feat measuring device doesn't really work. Raditz traveled over 12,000 kilometers in only a few minutes like twice. Even if we say it took him 15 minutes to do so that's still a speed of over 48,000 kilometers per hour. I don't feel like calculating that in terms of Mach speed but it's a lot faster than the Mach 2-3 that I always used to think he was. Then we got Vegeta and Nappa who went from East city to where Gohan and Piccolo were in about the same time. Looking on the map that's a lot further than what Raditz did. They actually were probably quicker about it now that I think about it. When you get to Namek Vegeta, Gohan, and Krillin were flying around at Mach 100+ despite only having powerlevels of 30,000 or less. Snake Way to me now just seems to be more of a plot device than a useable unit of measure. If you're on Snake Way it's gonna be a while till you get across is what it seems to me. Just a thought.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Toriko vs Nappa

@othus12 said:

@One_Piece_God: no just no. read trough all the comments if you want to even realize why are we still debating.

@GrayWolf2: that feat was immediately when he got out of his ship. and saiyans dont become 30 times stronger with zenkai. they at most double their power level. btw i saw the official map and measured with pixel ruler the distance from kamehouse to the place goku and vegeta fought (10,000 km) i grabbed that and measured the entire world map. let me tell you the total size of the planet was a little below 30,000 kilometers. our earth has 40,000 kilometers. i guess that supports my theory that DB earth is smaller. here is the map in case you are wondering:

I'm pretty sure the feat people are talking about is when Goku healed from his injuries against Ginyu and traveled from one side of Namek to the other to encounter Freeza. When he did this his powerlevel went from 90,000 base, to 3,000,000. While you are right with normal Zenkai boosts in the beginning they only seemed to increase by maybe a third of what their power was Goku's Zenkai boost in this case was greatly increased over the norm. Even he was shocked by it so it wasn't your typical boost. I don't know how fast that makes Goku. I could lowball a lot and say 500 miles per second but that is just not right. Also good map but two things: 1) Using the shootout area between Goku and Vegeta is okay but let's face it not entirely accurate. We don't know whether they were closer or farther when Goku arrived and also they said over 10,000 kilometers. This can mean anywhere from 10,000-15,000 so it's tough to calculate. Though I will say you found a much better map than I did. 2) If we use this map and go by what Raditz said we get an exact 12,909 kilometers from where he fought Piccolo to either Kame house or Goku's home or in all likelihood somewhere in between since he was flying on Kinto Un. Using that as a measurement on this map you get around the 40,000 kilometers that the earth is.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Toriko vs Nappa

@othus12: Goku at best would only be mach 300 when he first arrived on namek. When he did the feat everyone is talking about he was 30times more powerful and thus would be a lot faster. As for a good map I'm having trouble putting it on here, but if you do a simple image search you can easily find it.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Toriko vs Nappa

@othus12: Goku traveled from one side of Namek to the other in a few seconds, not minutes. Freeza held back much of his power when he destroyed Namek. This is common knowledge. Goku confirms this and says if Freeza wanted to he could just blast the planet again and be done with it. Freeza did destroy planet Vegeta which is much larger than the earth. Also you wanna believe that Dragonball earth is so small then the gravity training that these characters talk about is now totally useless since 1G to them is much less than 1G to us. Either that or their is something in the manga that states that Dragonball earth is denser than our own. Also it is over 10,000kilometers from the rocky mountain area they fight a lot to the Turtle hermits house. Place that on the Dragonball Earth map and that's only a small distance compared to the whole thing. Dragonball earth is roughly around the size of ours. If it's smaller it is only slightly. Hell it may be even a little bigger you never know.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Toriko vs Nappa

Great so now dragonball earth is a lot smaller than ours huh. The amount of dragonball downplaying is growing ridiculously high these days. Listen: When Raditz arrived he mentioned something being a distance of 4,880 away. It turned out to be Piccolo. After he humbled him he found out that Goku was a distance of 12,909. If you know anything about Akira Toriyama's work these numbers mean Kilometers. Seeing as how Raditz ship landed I don't know maybe in the middle of the large landmass continent on Dragonball earth you can easily double that for total land. Then you add in the fact that Dragonball earth does in fact have oceans, quite large ones I might add and you can easily figure out that Dragonball earth has to be around the same size as our Earth. It's only structured differently. Where people get the idea that it is a lot smaller is beyond me. I guess they think the earth is 100,000 kilometers around that's the only explanation I can think of.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Android 18 vs Zangya

@niBBit: I agree in the end Zangya is probably a little stronger than 18. Still a good battle idea which is rare for dragonball vs dragonball character battles.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Toriko vs Nappa

@othus12 said:

if nappa gets a ki blast in he may win.. however with food honor i dont see that happening anytime soon.

idk i always saw dragon ball characters having ridiculous energy output and energy resist. however they havent shown much for actual muscle strenght. and they dont seem that durable against actual punches or kicks. i can tell some instances:

-vegeta getting damaged by rocks big rocks but nothing mountain sized.

-goku only being able to lift 40 tons on base form and this goku is thousands of times stronger than nappa. if his energy output were as good as his strenght he would be able to lift planet earth and even more.

-gohan finding hard to carry the Z sword which shouldnt weight more than 500 tons.

if my theory is true then the attacks of toriko should be able to damage and kill nappa

in those instances toriko characters are wayy above dragon ball characters and that's why i think they can damage them. sani can reflect away almost 100 million tons. it might sound funny and incredible but if the gets gohan with hair marionette he wouldnt be able to move even on sjj2.

I think the point that you're missing is that brute strength doesn't equal striking power in dragonball. There are multiple instances of this being the case. Vegeta with a swat deflected Zarbon's attack which would at the least be island level+. Goku drop kicked Freeza with enough force to shatter through two islands and cause the whole battle field for few mile radius to tremble violently. This is easily class 100+ striking power. Freeza deflected with a kick an attack that would at the least destroy a moon or small planet. SSJ3 Goku deflected a blast with a hammer fist that destroyed 1/10th of the planet. Also if lifting strength meant so much then why didn't Piccolo and Vegeta one-shot Goku when they both went huge and hit him? Clearly brute strength isn't as important a stat in dragonball as it is in say comics.

Dragonball is also not the only one where this is the case. Kenshin Himura I don't think is even a class 100 pounder really and yet he is able to match blades with guys like Hajime Saito and Makoto Shishio. Two guys as strong or stronger than Sanosuke Sagara who wields a blade that weighs 300 pounds with ease. Why? Because Kenshin uses his own Kenki or swordsman ki that increases the striking force of his blade. There are probably plenty of other examples in other mangas where this is the case but I hope my point is clear enough already. These guys focus their Ki behind their blows. It's not just about bench press.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Majin Buu » Provin it Kid buu > Fat buu and possibly stronger than Super Buu

It doesn't matter what the anime says. What's stated in the manga proves that Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. I used to think otherwise too but I've long since changed. Sorry but Mystic Buu>Buff Buu>Super Buu>Kid Buu>SSJ3 Goku(yeah I said it. Goku may be somewhat more powerful but unless he gets a minute to charge up an attack he'd lose to Kid Buu 10/10 times. Too much speed and Power to keep Goku occupied plus with that hax regeneration that can only be countered by either A) Fighting another Buu or B) Apparently fighting Birusu and his God Power.) The only thing Kid Buu has on Super Buu is how much more evil and psychotic he is.

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Superman vs Suppaman

Suppaman does what he always does: Joins the other guys side and has Arale beat him. Not sure if that means he gets to go to the premiere though.....

Post by GrayWolf2 (303 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Sailor Galaxia vs Goku (Super Saiyan God)

@SilverGalford: The biggest problem with your argument is that it suffers from a huge flaw. This flaw is that according to your own dbz interpretation First Form Freeza would be able to easily defeat SSJ3 Goku by just simply challenging him to a beam struggle. This is something that kills your argument.

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