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Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Toriko vs Nappa

@othus12 said:

@One_Piece_God: no just no. read trough all the comments if you want to even realize why are we still debating.

@GrayWolf2: that feat was immediately when he got out of his ship. and saiyans dont become 30 times stronger with zenkai. they at most double their power level. btw i saw the official map and measured with pixel ruler the distance from kamehouse to the place goku and vegeta fought (10,000 km) i grabbed that and measured the entire world map. let me tell you the total size of the planet was a little below 30,000 kilometers. our earth has 40,000 kilometers. i guess that supports my theory that DB earth is smaller. here is the map in case you are wondering:

I'm pretty sure the feat people are talking about is when Goku healed from his injuries against Ginyu and traveled from one side of Namek to the other to encounter Freeza. When he did this his powerlevel went from 90,000 base, to 3,000,000. While you are right with normal Zenkai boosts in the beginning they only seemed to increase by maybe a third of what their power was Goku's Zenkai boost in this case was greatly increased over the norm. Even he was shocked by it so it wasn't your typical boost. I don't know how fast that makes Goku. I could lowball a lot and say 500 miles per second but that is just not right. Also good map but two things: 1) Using the shootout area between Goku and Vegeta is okay but let's face it not entirely accurate. We don't know whether they were closer or farther when Goku arrived and also they said over 10,000 kilometers. This can mean anywhere from 10,000-15,000 so it's tough to calculate. Though I will say you found a much better map than I did. 2) If we use this map and go by what Raditz said we get an exact 12,909 kilometers from where he fought Piccolo to either Kame house or Goku's home or in all likelihood somewhere in between since he was flying on Kinto Un. Using that as a measurement on this map you get around the 40,000 kilometers that the earth is.

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Toriko vs Nappa

@othus12: Goku at best would only be mach 300 when he first arrived on namek. When he did the feat everyone is talking about he was 30times more powerful and thus would be a lot faster. As for a good map I'm having trouble putting it on here, but if you do a simple image search you can easily find it.

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Toriko vs Nappa

@othus12: Goku traveled from one side of Namek to the other in a few seconds, not minutes. Freeza held back much of his power when he destroyed Namek. This is common knowledge. Goku confirms this and says if Freeza wanted to he could just blast the planet again and be done with it. Freeza did destroy planet Vegeta which is much larger than the earth. Also you wanna believe that Dragonball earth is so small then the gravity training that these characters talk about is now totally useless since 1G to them is much less than 1G to us. Either that or their is something in the manga that states that Dragonball earth is denser than our own. Also it is over 10,000kilometers from the rocky mountain area they fight a lot to the Turtle hermits house. Place that on the Dragonball Earth map and that's only a small distance compared to the whole thing. Dragonball earth is roughly around the size of ours. If it's smaller it is only slightly. Hell it may be even a little bigger you never know.

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Toriko vs Nappa

Great so now dragonball earth is a lot smaller than ours huh. The amount of dragonball downplaying is growing ridiculously high these days. Listen: When Raditz arrived he mentioned something being a distance of 4,880 away. It turned out to be Piccolo. After he humbled him he found out that Goku was a distance of 12,909. If you know anything about Akira Toriyama's work these numbers mean Kilometers. Seeing as how Raditz ship landed I don't know maybe in the middle of the large landmass continent on Dragonball earth you can easily double that for total land. Then you add in the fact that Dragonball earth does in fact have oceans, quite large ones I might add and you can easily figure out that Dragonball earth has to be around the same size as our Earth. It's only structured differently. Where people get the idea that it is a lot smaller is beyond me. I guess they think the earth is 100,000 kilometers around that's the only explanation I can think of.

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Android 18 vs Zangya

@niBBit: I agree in the end Zangya is probably a little stronger than 18. Still a good battle idea which is rare for dragonball vs dragonball character battles.

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Toriko vs Nappa

@othus12 said:

if nappa gets a ki blast in he may win.. however with food honor i dont see that happening anytime soon.

idk i always saw dragon ball characters having ridiculous energy output and energy resist. however they havent shown much for actual muscle strenght. and they dont seem that durable against actual punches or kicks. i can tell some instances:

-vegeta getting damaged by rocks big rocks but nothing mountain sized.

-goku only being able to lift 40 tons on base form and this goku is thousands of times stronger than nappa. if his energy output were as good as his strenght he would be able to lift planet earth and even more.

-gohan finding hard to carry the Z sword which shouldnt weight more than 500 tons.

if my theory is true then the attacks of toriko should be able to damage and kill nappa

in those instances toriko characters are wayy above dragon ball characters and that's why i think they can damage them. sani can reflect away almost 100 million tons. it might sound funny and incredible but if the gets gohan with hair marionette he wouldnt be able to move even on sjj2.

I think the point that you're missing is that brute strength doesn't equal striking power in dragonball. There are multiple instances of this being the case. Vegeta with a swat deflected Zarbon's attack which would at the least be island level+. Goku drop kicked Freeza with enough force to shatter through two islands and cause the whole battle field for few mile radius to tremble violently. This is easily class 100+ striking power. Freeza deflected with a kick an attack that would at the least destroy a moon or small planet. SSJ3 Goku deflected a blast with a hammer fist that destroyed 1/10th of the planet. Also if lifting strength meant so much then why didn't Piccolo and Vegeta one-shot Goku when they both went huge and hit him? Clearly brute strength isn't as important a stat in dragonball as it is in say comics.

Dragonball is also not the only one where this is the case. Kenshin Himura I don't think is even a class 100 pounder really and yet he is able to match blades with guys like Hajime Saito and Makoto Shishio. Two guys as strong or stronger than Sanosuke Sagara who wields a blade that weighs 300 pounds with ease. Why? Because Kenshin uses his own Kenki or swordsman ki that increases the striking force of his blade. There are probably plenty of other examples in other mangas where this is the case but I hope my point is clear enough already. These guys focus their Ki behind their blows. It's not just about bench press.

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Majin Buu » Provin it Kid buu > Fat buu and possibly stronger than Super Buu

It doesn't matter what the anime says. What's stated in the manga proves that Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. I used to think otherwise too but I've long since changed. Sorry but Mystic Buu>Buff Buu>Super Buu>Kid Buu>SSJ3 Goku(yeah I said it. Goku may be somewhat more powerful but unless he gets a minute to charge up an attack he'd lose to Kid Buu 10/10 times. Too much speed and Power to keep Goku occupied plus with that hax regeneration that can only be countered by either A) Fighting another Buu or B) Apparently fighting Birusu and his God Power.) The only thing Kid Buu has on Super Buu is how much more evil and psychotic he is.

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Superman vs Suppaman

Suppaman does what he always does: Joins the other guys side and has Arale beat him. Not sure if that means he gets to go to the premiere though.....

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Sailor Galaxia vs Goku (Super Saiyan God)

@SilverGalford: The biggest problem with your argument is that it suffers from a huge flaw. This flaw is that according to your own dbz interpretation First Form Freeza would be able to easily defeat SSJ3 Goku by just simply challenging him to a beam struggle. This is something that kills your argument.

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Ginyu Force Vs Power Rangers

@DBZ_universe: Peter Griffin said it best: "Just try not to look directly into it."

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Sailor Galaxia vs Goku (Super Saiyan God)

Saying Goku can't planet bust is stupid. Saying he can't control his ki blasts is beyond ridiculous. There are several examples of the cast of dragonball controlling their ki blasts. Piccolo's hellzone grenade is nothing but control. Goku can bend the kamehameha at will and has been able to since he was a kid. Hell he can even fire one through his feet for the sole purpose of just speedblitzing his opponent. Vegeta calculated the angle of his Final Flash perfectly to avoid destroying the earth when he fired it at Cell and the list just goes on and on. All you have to do is just read the manga to know this basic fact.

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Sailor Galaxia vs Goku (Super Saiyan God)

@DBZ_universe said:

Goku can blow up planets... end of discussion.

Agreed. If he wasn't then how come his opponents didn't just challenge him to a beam struggle since they are clearly more powerful? Oh, no wait they did and he won anyway. Nevermind.

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Sailor Galaxia vs Goku (Super Saiyan God)

@SilverGalford: Um....clearly somebody just doesn't want Goku to be a planet buster. Because 1) It seemed pretty obvious that Goku was able to manipulate the spirit bomb that killed Buu. That's kind of why it went in a downward arc. It's also why he needed to have his energy return so he could push it through to victory. 2) Cell who is also made up of Freeza's cells who is a confirmed casual planet buster couldn't believe what Goku was risking. That alone should tell you something. Goku has never busted a planet before. This is true but he has also never even destroyed a city before. So acting like a guy who is not even a confirmed city buster can take on guys who can casually planet bust all the while using the exact same power formula makes no sense at all.

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Sailor Galaxia vs Goku (Super Saiyan God)

@MarioRedfield said:

Oh please, people try to de bunk Superman benching the earth. People are so biased they can't see straight.

I assume you're talking about him doing it for five days in the New52.....in his own comic which should carry far more weight than any b.s that happens outside of them.

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Dangai Ichigo vs 23rd BT Goku

@supernova7005: Actually Piccolo bragged about it as not being a big thing. Just something he can do easily. Also the moon is not closer to Dragonball Earth than it is to ours. Akira Toriyama states this when a fan asked him how long can the nyoibo staff extend. There is gravity on our moon as well just not much. Another thing is after reading a number of Akira Toriyama's works it seems pretty clear that you can't call yourself a powerhouse unless you can destroy the moon. I can't think of any other author who abuses this thing as much as he has. It's just the way he makes powerhouses. Moon busting is the norm for him.

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Dangai Ichigo vs 23rd BT Goku

@supernova7005: He was useless because he was drained from practicing the Ma Fu Ba technique and getting his butt kicked by Drum. When he saved Goku from the first big blast that Piccolo sent he collapsed from exhaustion. Also, yeah being drained quite a bit would reduce their power down quite a bit. One more thing: while I know you're fighting about Muten Roshi being a moon buster acting like 23rd Tenkaichi Goku isn't one is pushing too far. Piccolo was only a little stronger without the weighted clothes when he blew up the moon than he was at this time. However he only used a basic blast to do it and with his weighted clothes on. If he used a special powerful technique to do it that would be one thing but acting like Piccolo with his power suppressed has more power with a basic blast than a super kamehameha from Goku during this tournament is a shaky argument to say the least.

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Dangai Ichigo vs 23rd BT Goku

@supernova7005: I think you're not taking into account the fact that by that point Goku and Piccolo were drained. In Dragonball the less ki they have the less durable they are. It's as simple as that.

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Dangai Ichigo vs 23rd BT Goku

@DBZ_universe said:

@supernova7005: Even if he didn't he is still in moon busting level.

Unless you also wanna call SSJ Goku a non planet buster cause he never did it...

And if you use this logic SSJG Goku isn't a moon buster either. Or a city buster, afterall Goku has never really destroyed much of anything. How in the world he has survived against so many powerful opponents who range from casual moon busting all the way to now casual solar system busting becomes one of the great mysteries of fiction.

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Seiya (Saint Seiya) vs. Superboy-Prime (DC)

@Kuma_From_Argentina: Yeah. The guy who accidentally knocked a heroines head across smallville. The guy who ripped a guys arm off, let him live only to have the guy seek revenge on and then just rip his other arm off. The guy who beat the crap out of Sodom Ion Yat in easily the best battle I've seen in comics. The guy who green lantern rings are afraid of and who punked Black Adam. The guy who could kill Superman easily. Yeah, I find this true Superboy to be a really neat badass of a character.

Post by GrayWolf2 (292 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Seiya (Saint Seiya) vs. Superboy-Prime (DC)

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@GrayWolf2 said:

I don't understand why so many people hate Prime. He's one of my favorite comic characters.

Same here bro.

Cool. The only thing that annoyed me about Prime is how the writers butchered him at the end. He had the potential to make a great Legion villain and instead they had him get taken out by the Teen Titans? Just a bunch of crap. Way to ruin a good character DC.

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