GrayWolf2 (Level 7)

@ronki23: You really think doing the entire saiyan saga in 2 hours is a good idea? Are you kidding me? Anyone not too familiar with DBZ would be lost the whole time and it would feel horribly rushed. The problem with dragonball is that the story is told in long sagas and not quick 1-6 comic stories like in comics. It's easier to tell quicker stories in comics because that is the norm. It yields itself well to movies. Also the characters have been around for so long that a lot of people already know who they are and what they're about so you don't need much backstory. With dragonball that's not the case. For something like this a tv series would be your best bet.

@SpeedForceSpider said:

I hope the highest they can do is Solar System buster. Galaxy would be ridiculous and the wank would be out of this world.

I agree to a point. Galaxy level has the potential to hurt Dragonball more than help it unless it's just certain characters like Wiss for example. The problem with Goku doing it would be that now he is so supremely powerful it may just make him less interesting. There aren't many characters that can pull off being that powerful and yet still interesting enough so that you can make a serialization on them. For some reason I just don't think Goku would be one of them. Keeping him in the solar system/Supernova+ range I think would be best for someone like him.

Dear god I hope not. Just stick to animation when it comes to Dragonball please. The only good thing about Dragonball Evolution is that after you watch it you can put on GT and it will actually be tolerable.

"Which duo wins? The dark heroes of Team 1 or the even darker villains of Team 2?" I found that ironic since Vegeta most likely has the highest body count of anyone here.

Been doing as much research on spoilers for this movie as I can recently and just with the question the OP asks I can safely say YES. Because I found it interesting that there are now 12 universes and Bisuru is the weakest God of Destruction. Which means that in the end as powerful as this character is he really is just a next generation Raditz. Also on a side note: I am glad that my initial instinct that this Wiss character was more powerful than he seemed to be by a lot was true.

Could care less about Goku hitting King Kais planet. What impresses me is Bills taking SSJ3 Goku out with a tap. Also the animation looks spectacular.

Further proof that there is a god and He thought that GT was crap too. This is great in that it is killing any thought that GT was canon. It also helps explain some of the movie like how could Goku take on someone like Bills. Answer: A new power-up! Can't wait to see what Goku can do when he's in this form.

@YoungChief: That was honestly my own personal lowballing calc of the feat assuming Tao thought he would kill Goku immediately and not count any time really to do it. But thanks for this. Okay mach 28. Makes my point even stronger.

@CerusSerenade said:

@GrayWolf2 said:

Showing videos of Yusuke struggling to keep up with projectiles moving at the speed of a bullet isn't going to impress anyone who knows anything about Muten Roshi's speed.

You don't seem to get it. There were effectively dozens of these bullets coming at once continuously. Not to mention they were more destructive than conventional bullets and arguably faster. I believe I already talked about how Genkai was in a severely weakened state when she fought younger Toguro, yet she was still able to keep up with him at 80%.

Oh I get it. Unfortunately at best they were more destructive but no evidence to suggest faster. Seeing as how Roshi has caught machine gun fire with ease and kept up with tenshinhan during the 22nd tournament without going to full power is a feat in and of itself. While Tenshinhan wasn't going all out either it would still put Roshi as being at least as fast as Goku at age 12. The same goku who caught a dragonball when it launched. Dragonballs when they launch are clearly massively hypersonic. It would also most likely put him as being as fast if not faster than Taopaipai who can chuck a couple hundred pound pillar at at least mach 8 and do a quick speed burst to jump on it. Both things much faster than bullets I'm afraid.

Showing videos of Yusuke struggling to keep up with projectiles moving at the speed of a bullet isn't going to impress anyone who knows anything about Muten Roshi's speed.

Genkai got killed by a younger toguro who wasn't even going all out. Muten roshi would annihilate younger toguro with one blast I mean he is a moon buster after all. In terms of speed I don't know but even if Genkai was faster she has proven nothing to make it a big enough edge to matter. Roshi in both rounds.

Tenshinhan could wipe the floor with all these guys. I mean c'mon he stalled imperfect cell for a while and kept getting stronger. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if he could beat imperfect cell at the end of the series. He may have become a secondary character but it still doesn't keep him from being one of the most badass characters in DBZ.

My money is on Janemba. Dr. Manhattan has no feats that put him at Janemba's level.

@Sonata: I've often hoped for that. And if they ever do it I'd also like at least ten chapters of Vegeta back when he was on the frontier working for Frieza. It would be very dark but awesome I think.

@sjoerd444444: Lovely post. And even if GT goku was as strong as you state it still wouldn't matter. The hulk kept two continents from separating. In terms of brute strength he's well above Goku and seeing as how Goku got purposely low balled a lot in this battle it's just over. I mean the guy who is a master at all things ki can't use ki? Game over man. He can't even use his ki to hit which is what he hits you with. It's how a guy who was at best a 40 tonner could still kick Freiza with enough force to shatter through two islands and cause the whole battlefield to tremble violently. All he has in this is just his natural brute strength and combat skills. He may annoy the hulk a little but he's still going down.

@Goku_The_Hero97: Artificial human huh? Sounds neat. Just looked it up and I guess his name is Whis or whatever. My bad. You saying he also helps to beat on Gogeta makes me want to see more on this character. Then again I'd also like to see how Vegeta knew who Bills was before. There is just too much on this movie that makes me want it to come out sooner. SSJ 3Gogeta and maybe SSJ3 Vegeta? Two months just seems way too long to have to wait for all these questions to be answered.

MewTwo wins with ease.

Sadly it's far too early to put Bills against anyone. I mean his movie hasn't even come out yet!!! As for what I think of the character he seems pretty awesome. I've tried to look up anything I can find on him and everything the OP put down is what keeps popping up. How much of it is true we have to see but it's starting to look more than likely. That being said while a legit god of destruction seems appropriate for the DBZU I'm finding myself more curious about Wills. What can he do. I've heard he's the god of creation and that just seems to fascinate me. Anyway I can't wait for the movie to come out and I hope the action is ridiculously over the top and finally shows what these characters can really do. It always seemed like a huge flaw that you have characters who can decimate their own solar system and yet are forced to hold back all the time because they can't survive in space. Seeing Goku standing between Earth and Bisuru gives me some hope. Still we all need to to just wait and see.

Frieza hands down. He had the most interesting story and was the closest any one of them came to an established character.

With speed equalized team one. Without that then....Team one. That Sailor Galaxia is just plain fast. Plus with Super Buu this just doesn't seem fair.