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Battles » Weakest Saint that can defeat Bills

For those wondering I own and have read all of the original saint seiya manga a few times. Pardon me for not believing that a series that has only big bold statements and not a lot of feats isn't as impressive as people claim. Hell, those statements are generally contradicted by other statements in series. Also their atomic level strikes have limits based on how tough the object is. Good case and point: Poseidon's pillars. It's not that they couldn't be destroyed by force they just needed to go beyond Gold Saints abilities. Either use a Libra Weapon or travel FTL which is what Bill's can also do. The point is the tougher the object the harder it is for those strikes to work. A gold saint got taken out by burning up in the atmosphere so they're not too tough. Armor maybe but what's stopping bill's from poking one in the forehead and killing him. He's faster and has shown far more legit force. Hax is great but not if they're too slow to do it. Doesn't generally happen but in this case it works.

Post by GrayWolf2 (385 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Weakest Saint that can defeat Bills

The Saints just got blown out by my Cowboys, feeling pretty confident about this.

Post by GrayWolf2 (385 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Weakest Saint that can defeat Bills

@SSJjanemba: LOL!! That's for sure.

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Battles » Weakest Saint that can defeat Bills

@5th: From what I read about episode G it seems it's non canon so why bother bringing it up? You make Hades alignment sound like it was just he thought it and boom it happened which wasn't the case. It took centuries of planning and hours to not even accomplish. A universal+ level being who needs hours to align planets...I don't think so. Oh yes the power of the big bang which barely destroyed a garden. And when two of them collided and the saints couldn't even control them anymore it wrecked a sanctuary. Way to go. Sorry bud but they do not have the destructive capacity you claim. Good potency and great hax but those planets blowing up in the background of their attacks are just rpg-esque illusions. @mangafanVT said:

@GrayWolf2: Sure in DC like i stated they aren't so impressive but they win via their hax and birusu's dura would be just..

Bypassed since they focus attacks inside the body (just like dark schneider with judas priest)

so unless dbz has hax defense against atom busting attacks

i dont see them winning

the saints wins via speed and hax alone

however in raw strengh and dc i give it to the dbz verse.

I can agree with this. To defend bills I thought I'd read in the synopsis of BOG that he resisted buu's transmutation candy beam which I believe would be atomic level resistance to a degree at least. Super Vegito kept his thought processes as well when he was turned to candy so I think characters of this level could handle such potency of strikes. Lesser ones which is the majority of the cast...maybe not. I still believe Bills could get past the gold saints.

Post by GrayWolf2 (385 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Weakest Saint that can defeat Bills

I highly doubt anyone in saint seiya is galaxy level or higher. Power of 12 gold saints equalled power of the sun on a small scale and it killed them. It was stated hades biggest goal was the destruction of the sun and the best he could do was slowly block it out. This took hours and it would only lifewipe the planet. If he was universal like I've heard people claim then couldn't he just blink it away. Or send one of the lesser gods like thanatos to destroy it. What makes the saint seiya verse powerful is their speed and hax attacks or defense in shun's case. I still rate it a little higher than dbz overall but I'm not too sure sometimes.

Post by GrayWolf2 (385 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Weakest Saint that can defeat Bills

Based off my knowledge which is only the original manga and how beating most gold saints required just hitting lightspeed and attacking them which is something I'm pretty sure bills can do. That said I'll go with god saints or higher for now. Still don't know what bills can really do yet.

Post by GrayWolf2 (385 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Ariel (DragonBall / Dr Slump) vs Squirrel Girl

@MarioRedfield said:

Arale is french toast with syrup and butter

Are you coming on to Arale?

Post by GrayWolf2 (385 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Grimmjow vs Wolverine

@GIRUGAMESH: As a superman fan(70+ graphic novels and a decent amount of individuals) I have to say....yeah you're right. More often than not they use one page and don't reveal the whole story with certain things. But to be fair, that's true with nearly every character and their fans.

Post by GrayWolf2 (385 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Grimmjow vs Wolverine

Nice to see people acknowledge the fact that he was originally a hulk villain but still, logan gets stomped here. Against the stronger brutes he is generally the quicker of the two but not this time. He gets put down in seconds.

Post by GrayWolf2 (385 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » (DBZ) Broly vs Bojack

I swear this has been done before.@OfficialRikudouSennin said:

@Dream said:

Broly. His strongest incarnation was overpowering a combined blast from 2 SSJ2s and an SSJ before PIS came into play. Bojack, meanwhile, is on par with Perfect Cell in power.

Broly busted a planet Perfect Cell got nothing on broly and the fact solar system hype vs a guy who destroy a galaxy.

To be fair to cell it was kind of toei's way with dbz back then. Potentially solar system cell, okay lets run with that and make a galaxy level being. Super Buu tears one hole in space and time well alrighty let us have Buuhan be capabe of creating so many holes the universe will collapse! Pretty ridiculous really.

Post by GrayWolf2 (385 posts) See mini bio Level 7

General Discussion » GREATEST PIS MOMENT EVER

Both of broly's defeats. Gets killed by the combined power of who gives a shit compared to him in the first film. Then in the second trunks gets pis powers and broly gets fired into the sun where I swear the creators were like "well it didn't kill cooler by just firing him in it so let's have broly's heart explode for no reason to be sure." If you make a character too strong for you to figure out how your cast can win then make another character.

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Toriko » TORIKO 293 REVIEW

Funny, I have supes punch calced at moon level....anyway, I do believe this may be a lightspeed punch for toriko.

Post by GrayWolf2 (385 posts) See mini bio Level 7
Post by GrayWolf2 (385 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Frieza vs. Saitama

I've seen the BOG movie a couple of times and I don't think you can accurately scale those planets until you put someone or something on them. My big reason being how bill's temple looked like a simple temple until you get close and notice on just one small part of it there are forests, mountains what looks like a decent river or lake and no visible end. Calling the planets or moons hill sized seems ridiculous. Some of them had their own clouds. So either planets or large moons. That image shown before seems pretty accurate.

Still, we can wait for feats. Whether Bill's is Galaxy level or not who knows yet. All I know is they will reach supernova level sometime. Maybe in the next film?

Post by GrayWolf2 (385 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Current Toriko Vs Current Zebra

Judging by character reaction after his fight with Heracles I think Zebra was a little intimidated that Toriko survived and he seemed to have surpassed him at that point. Still, no real way of knowing how far Air pushed Zebra's cells so really who knows.

Post by GrayWolf2 (385 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Toriko » TORIKO 293 REVIEW

Definitely one of the quicker reads for a Toriko chapter. So fast paced and awesome. Like how other people made the relation to krillin. I don't think it will be quite to the same extreme because I think Komatsu will recover but they are similar. As for infinite Kugi Punch, maybe it's the fanboy in me but could this be Toriko's Light Speed punch? Probably not but hey Coco has a lightspeed spear so why not Toriko? Anyway, a very good chapter and I can't wait for the next one.

Post by GrayWolf2 (385 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Toriko runs the DBZ gauntlet 2.0

@othus12: Nor does having more brute strength grant you the win. You forgot the environments that the creatures live in as well which affects capture levels. Still when you give a generalization I have to go by it. Why say the ones in that zone if technically it could be higher or lower than that? The strength of the beasts seemed more logical to go by so far.

Post by GrayWolf2 (385 posts) See mini bio Level 7

General Discussion » Japanese anime vs Marvel and DC anime ( not battle )

While Justice League, Batman, Superman, and X-Men animated series were great there is just so many Anime series that are either as good or better than those were. As others have said just too much variety.

Post by GrayWolf2 (385 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Tao Pai Pai vs Whitebeard and Doflamingo

@DeathHero61: Don't know if you realize this but 2300 kilometers is enough of a distance to go from one normal sized country to another. Bigger ones like the U.S, Canada, and Russia no but most others yeah. Still, it wouldn't surprise me if the One Piece team takes it.

Post by GrayWolf2 (385 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » Toriko runs the DBZ gauntlet 2.0

@othus12: Why give such a simple generalization if it wasn't about the strength of the animals? Anyway as for the strength thing again I say who cares. 1. Toriko relies more heavily on strikes than wrestling anyway and 2. Characters as low as Raditz have shown capable of neutralizing moon level attacks with one hand. Toriko with all his brute strength would still be killed if he tried the same right now. Which one sounds more powerful? Brute strength or Power power?

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