GrayWolf2 (Level 7)

@DBZ_universe: Peter Griffin said it best: "Just try not to look directly into it."

Saying Goku can't planet bust is stupid. Saying he can't control his ki blasts is beyond ridiculous. There are several examples of the cast of dragonball controlling their ki blasts. Piccolo's hellzone grenade is nothing but control. Goku can bend the kamehameha at will and has been able to since he was a kid. Hell he can even fire one through his feet for the sole purpose of just speedblitzing his opponent. Vegeta calculated the angle of his Final Flash perfectly to avoid destroying the earth when he fired it at Cell and the list just goes on and on. All you have to do is just read the manga to know this basic fact.

@DBZ_universe said:

Goku can blow up planets... end of discussion.

Agreed. If he wasn't then how come his opponents didn't just challenge him to a beam struggle since they are clearly more powerful? Oh, no wait they did and he won anyway. Nevermind.

@SilverGalford: Um....clearly somebody just doesn't want Goku to be a planet buster. Because 1) It seemed pretty obvious that Goku was able to manipulate the spirit bomb that killed Buu. That's kind of why it went in a downward arc. It's also why he needed to have his energy return so he could push it through to victory. 2) Cell who is also made up of Freeza's cells who is a confirmed casual planet buster couldn't believe what Goku was risking. That alone should tell you something. Goku has never busted a planet before. This is true but he has also never even destroyed a city before. So acting like a guy who is not even a confirmed city buster can take on guys who can casually planet bust all the while using the exact same power formula makes no sense at all.

@MarioRedfield said:

Oh please, people try to de bunk Superman benching the earth. People are so biased they can't see straight.

I assume you're talking about him doing it for five days in the New52.....in his own comic which should carry far more weight than any b.s that happens outside of them.

@supernova7005: Actually Piccolo bragged about it as not being a big thing. Just something he can do easily. Also the moon is not closer to Dragonball Earth than it is to ours. Akira Toriyama states this when a fan asked him how long can the nyoibo staff extend. There is gravity on our moon as well just not much. Another thing is after reading a number of Akira Toriyama's works it seems pretty clear that you can't call yourself a powerhouse unless you can destroy the moon. I can't think of any other author who abuses this thing as much as he has. It's just the way he makes powerhouses. Moon busting is the norm for him.

@supernova7005: He was useless because he was drained from practicing the Ma Fu Ba technique and getting his butt kicked by Drum. When he saved Goku from the first big blast that Piccolo sent he collapsed from exhaustion. Also, yeah being drained quite a bit would reduce their power down quite a bit. One more thing: while I know you're fighting about Muten Roshi being a moon buster acting like 23rd Tenkaichi Goku isn't one is pushing too far. Piccolo was only a little stronger without the weighted clothes when he blew up the moon than he was at this time. However he only used a basic blast to do it and with his weighted clothes on. If he used a special powerful technique to do it that would be one thing but acting like Piccolo with his power suppressed has more power with a basic blast than a super kamehameha from Goku during this tournament is a shaky argument to say the least.

@supernova7005: I think you're not taking into account the fact that by that point Goku and Piccolo were drained. In Dragonball the less ki they have the less durable they are. It's as simple as that.

@DBZ_universe said:

@supernova7005: Even if he didn't he is still in moon busting level.

Unless you also wanna call SSJ Goku a non planet buster cause he never did it...

And if you use this logic SSJG Goku isn't a moon buster either. Or a city buster, afterall Goku has never really destroyed much of anything. How in the world he has survived against so many powerful opponents who range from casual moon busting all the way to now casual solar system busting becomes one of the great mysteries of fiction.

@Kuma_From_Argentina: Yeah. The guy who accidentally knocked a heroines head across smallville. The guy who ripped a guys arm off, let him live only to have the guy seek revenge on and then just rip his other arm off. The guy who beat the crap out of Sodom Ion Yat in easily the best battle I've seen in comics. The guy who green lantern rings are afraid of and who punked Black Adam. The guy who could kill Superman easily. Yeah, I find this true Superboy to be a really neat badass of a character.

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@GrayWolf2 said:

I don't understand why so many people hate Prime. He's one of my favorite comic characters.

Same here bro.

Cool. The only thing that annoyed me about Prime is how the writers butchered him at the end. He had the potential to make a great Legion villain and instead they had him get taken out by the Teen Titans? Just a bunch of crap. Way to ruin a good character DC.

I don't understand why so many people hate Prime. He's one of my favorite comic characters.

@ReiKai: You sure about that? Because anytime I looked up stuff about her online she is listed as having died at that time.

If you allowed speedblitz any Freeza level character would take Arale out pretty easily. Her blunt force durability is fine but her energy attack durability stinks. She was taken out by an energy attack that was only powerful enough to cut the earth in half (bizzarely ironic) and it seems that everyone is forgetting that Arale was killed either by Super Buu's human extermination attack or when Kid Buu blew up the earth. Take your pick.

Broly's powerlevel increases constantly even without the elderly kais help. Having him sit for a day or so and amplifying his power at a greater degree than normal is just asking to have your universe destroyed.

@ReiKai said:

Like I said, it only ever really works for the anime. And Manga > Anime in terms of power anyway. Either way the rest falls under Multiversal law, which is all but effectively made true by the DBO story that has a group messing with events across time. Which, as I have explained elsewhere, may very well be the reason why and how Bardock ended up in the past.

Hmm now there's an interesting thought.

I'll go with C.

@Gsp22 said:

@ReiKai: No my friend Dead zone is not canon, you pointed it out when you said Krillin was surprised to learn Gohan was Goku's kid when they visited Roshi's just before Raditz came and smacked them around, The reason the dead zone isn't canon cause it has no relations to the Manga and like you said again The garlic jr saga was a filler, but their are some movies that can fit in certain parts of Dbz like Movie 9 and 13 but they too are not canon.. But i can see what your point is

Pretty much agree with this. The Dead Zone has some contradictions and the Garlic Jr. Saga meets a problem when Vegeta in the manga stays on Earth the whole time whereas in the Anime he searches for Goku in space watching him create giant craters and moving a moon casually. While semi interesting it just goes against the manga too much.

@danzi97: Name one other character in dragonball who ever came close to such a thing as galaxy busting. Just one. EDIT: And I mean especially during the time period that Broly was around.

@DBZ_universe said:

@eddz99: Goku cannot galaxy bust... Broly was defeated by a plot device...must I need to explain this to every anti-Broly fan?

Broly is the only legit Galaxy buster in DBU end of story.

Amen. Broly to me is the epitome of Toei animation just going nuts. They create a character too powerful to legitimately defeat so they kill him through bs. In the first movie he gets taken out from a charged up punch that really shouldn't have worked and in the second movie he becomes the only dbz character to my knowledge to ever have his heart randomly explode during a beam struggle.