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Battles » Juubi Madara, 8 Gates Mighty Guy Vs Current Kenpachi

@sickVisionz said:

Isn't the argument for Bleach vs Naruto threads that nobody can see or sense Bleach characters, therefore they can just walk up and stab people freely with nobody being able to do anything?

Fortunately few people are dumb enough to make that point, as the thread becomes irrelevant.

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Battles » Kizaru vs Mighty Guy

@Jinbeifan1 said:

Lizard beats standard all the way to 7th gate, all though the last one is notably difficult. 8th gate and guy damn near stomps with intange off.

This.

But even if Gai serious, that doesn't mean he'll go straight for 8 gates, or even 7 gates. Way I see it, he'd have to go to 7 gates to put up a good fight against Kizaru, and if he doesn't, then he runs the risk of Kizaru putting a laser through his head. In most scenarios I see Kizaru killing him or doing too much damage for Gai to bring it back.

For now I'll say Kizaru wins 7.5/10. The other 2.5 is for if Gai goes straight for 7 gates or higher (7 gates would be close to or arguably equal Kizaru, 8 gates would crush him).

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Battles » Maito Guy vs Yammamoto Genryuusai

@eddz99 said:

This version of yamamoto is above 9 tails naruto, and possibly jubito, he stomps

This version of Gai is above 9 tails Naruto, and close to the level of Juubito. And nobody in Bleach atm, based on feats, is above Juubito. No way is this a stomp.

@taichokage said:

Yeah. Also Gai does not have to be close to be affected by Zanka no Tachi. Yama tanked a multi city buster. He should be just fine.

Yet was killed by far less, proving once more that AoE doesn't count for everything.

And Juubidara has the power of something that easily tanked mountain busters- he has pretty mad durability, yet was notably injured by Gai's hits.

Despite this, I am leaning more towards Yama, as you noted zanka no tachi will still be a problem. Add that to Yama's experience, beastly physical stats (he punched Wonderweiss halfway across a city) and wide-range fire techniques and I think he'd still have the upper hand here. Even if Gai could use it indefinitely, it still causes his body a massive amount of pain, which would also limit him.

TL;DR = Yamamoto wins 7/10.

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Battles » Maito Guy vs Yammamoto Genryuusai

@SMXLR8 said:

Can we take break from 8 gate guy threads , like really why are HST characters so over used when ever there is a new power up <_< . I mean I know they are popular but still , I just they were so not played out

Brace yourself...the 8 gates Gai threads are coming...

@Jinbeifan1 said:

@Kurohige: You cant really blame anyone I suppose, this is the first time a mid tier in the HST jumped all the WAY to the top of the top tiers :P Even renji's power up pales in comparison. I can't think of anyone aside from possibly Kenpachi who will have a power jump like this (Obviously Ichigo will but who didn't see that coming :P) Not to mention as far as Naruto goes as a series, Gai is one of the few side characters to be so focused on and gain such power. The series itself makes it a thing to turn all of Naruto's friends into fodder so that he can save the day XD

Very true, Gai's the first (and probably last) side character to be put on the uber-tier of ninjas- when was the last time anyone other than Naruto or Sasuke single-handedly made such an impact against les bad guys?

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Battles » DBZ (team) runs the Marvel/DC Guantlet

@taichokage said:

But it's unfortunate that they are outmatched in that department as well by more than 1 character from the comic teams.

In the later rounds, perhaps.

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Battles » DBZ (team) runs the Marvel/DC Guantlet

@DBZ_universe said:

@GIRUGAMESH: LOL Goku ITs inside his shield and cuts him...mags will be in hell all like FUUUUUUU lol.

Or just obliterate it, whatever works.

@taichokage said:

That fails to let them win however. Speed alone is not enough, and a number of the comic team members are even faster.

Good thing they have the firepower to sh*t on a lot of those characters as well, then.

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Battles » DBZ (team) runs the Marvel/DC Guantlet

@The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk said:

They probably lose at Round 2, but could beat 3 and possibly 4(though they could lose just as easily).

Don't understand your logic there...

I say they stop at 4. This is assuming, however, that Whis is only slightly stronger than Bills.

@DBZ_universe: LMFAO at Magneto providing problems for the Z team. I've seen a lot of Mag's higher end feats and have read a lot on Xmen, but he shouldn't be a threat against FTL characters who can effortlessly planet bust (at least), one of whom can regenerate from almost anything.

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Battles » Madara vs Prime Garp, Prime Chinjao, Dangai Ichigo & Yamamoto

...5 metres away?! Wow. I'm also not sure what prep would do for team 2 (they're all pretty frontal characters), but anyway:

R1: Madara should be ruined by the combined attacks of all 4 of them. We know for a fact that 8 gates Gai > Madara in terms of pure physical attributes, and I'd say these 4 together at least equal that.

R2: too early to say IMO, Madara still hasn't shown that much of what he's capable of in his new form. All he's done is shown some impressive physical feats and manipulated the black chakra, we haven't seen him use anything else.

Including everything that Juubito had and his other rinnegan techniques on top of that, though? Not sure atm, but it would be a hell of a lot closer.

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Battles » Six paths of Pein vs Guy

@DevilMayhem666 said:

Deva Path couldn't even move 6Tailed Naruto with ST. 7th Gated Gai pushed Rikudou Madara. There is a reason why Kishi didn't have Guy at the leaf during Pain Invasion Arc.

True, if nothing else we know that daytime tiger >>> shinra tensei.

I agree that with a starting distance of 10m, and assuming he can stay in 7 gates for a while, Gai has a good shot at taking this.

However, there are a few situations where Pain could win as well. If Gai doesn't take out the deva and hell paths as soon as then he could be in for a rough ride, as chibaku tensei would totally shut him down (though IC there's no way he'd go right for that).

As it is, I give it to Gai 7/10.

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Battles » Six paths of Pein vs Guy

@taichokage said:

I still don't see Gai as this strong. Remember he needed it for a weakened Kisame and the latter actually survived Afternoon Tiger. To put him on par or ahead of the likes of Nagato is a bit much for me. That would put him above Rikudo Naruto too, maybe on par with Cloak Naruto. I really don't think he is.

Kisame wasn't really weakened at that point though, he had absorbed a lot of B's chakra. And he was slaughtered by Gai, the same way that 6 gates felt overkill for that 30% clone.

Especially with recent showings, I'm willing to put Gai on the same level as Pain (especially with a starting distance of 10m), but maybe not Nagato.

BUT HOLY HELL, DAT LATEST CHAPTER!

@Jinbeifan1 said:

OH. MY. F**KING. GOODNESS.

GUY IS AMAZING THIS CHAPTER!!!!!!!! :D

I KNOW RIGHT!!!

Gai 8 gates = Hashirama level, maybe more.

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Battles » Itachi vs Six paths of Pain

@321zigzag1: I thought he might mean that, in which case he has no argument. Both of them were just toying with each other, it was clear that neither Kakashi nor Obito were really affected by it. Hell, Obito might have even been using his sharingan there as well.

And I still call bullshit on that idea- no MS should ever be taken down by a regular genjutsu. If it was some exceptional, unique one, like Shisui's ability, then fair enough, but otherwise, I simply don't see it.

Either way, I don't see one tsukuyomi taking down all 6 paths, and the technique takes quite a lot out of Itachi to use. Even if he did beat one path with it, he'd be in a worse condition against the rest.

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Battles » Grimmjow vs EMS Sasuke Uchiha

@Zerogodlike said:

@GIRUGAMESH said:

@phantomrant said:

@GIRUGAMESH said:

@phantomrant: Madara wasn't even hurt by Gai, he was merely pushed back. Although, country level TBBs? Hmm, dubious. I get that the Juubi's are much stronger than Kurama's, but the jump from mountain-buster+ to country-buster is massive. Personally I'm not convinced he's shown anything at that level (I say that with a big YET; I'm sure Madara, with a near-enough complete Juubi, will be at that level).

Not fully sure what you guys were talking about, but if it was current Madara vs Yammamoto then...there's not much of a discussion to be had.

Yes, Gai did fail to hurt Madara, BUT they were hoping that he could hurt him, hence why they rided on Taijutsu. Of course some people think that that means Bleach characters with "impressive" Hakuda feats can beat Juubi Jinchurikis up.

We've been through the country level bit b4 Giru..... on same previous thread.... of some previous year *stabs Giru* If we look back on that 2nd Juubi form, we know that the Juubi is worth a few kilometers in height. The crater he made would be in the tens of kilometers in terms of diameter (this is all eyeballing). The moment he spammed out that Bijuudama, he made a massive explosion that reached into the trophosphere, and literally disintegrated/pulverized dozens of mountains. We can see that the crater that it'd make would be significantly bigger than the crater that the Juubi was standing on, so we're looking at a crater of destroyed mountains near 100 km in diameter. And of course, that would elicit something well within country level firepower - a.k.a. something in the teratons of TNT. Kakashi did state that the Juubi's Bijuudama WAS ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LEAGUE, so the jump is expected to be BIG, and the Juubi was always hyped up to be something of a life wiper. Country level is a very solid uh....peg.

And from then on, Juubi was shown to literally have used a far stronger Bijuudama in his 3rd form, and when Juubito was in control, he could use 4 of those Bijuudamas at once.

Lol seems legit, country level it is then :)

And yeah, that really made no sense how some people started arguing that Bleach/Onepiece people could wail on Madara because he isn't invulnerable to taijutsu.

Gil i wouldn't trust pixel scaling feats because the authors don't draw to scale.

I wasn't being serious, sorry if I didn't make it clear enough :P of course you can't judge them as country level, I've never bought that.

@Kurohige: Juubidara would get gang rushed from all directions by dozens of characters beyond kage level, good luck summoning that plant thing in the midst of all that. Send in Barragan, Ywach, Yammamoto, Aizen and Dangai Ichigo together, along with the sternritter, and Juubito is f**ked.

@Vapovile said:

@Kurohige: There is more to a character than DC and speed. Certain Bleach characters do have the hax to bring down Juubidara. Here are just a few examples;

1. Aizen taking out KS and trapping Juubidara in a fantasy world until Yamamoto can slice him in half, or Barragan can age him to death with Respira.

2. With Juubidara distracted with the other Bleach-verse, Rukia can freeze him with her bankai. Remember, this is the ENTIRE verse at once.

3. Zommari unleashing his shield from afar and stopping Juubidara dead in his tracks. Without prep, Juubidara wouldn't know what his power was, so he would be more interested in more powerful characters like Ichigo and Yamamoto.

I'm going to call it for now. Needless to say, Juubidara may be powerful, but he can't solo an entire verse at once on the scale of Bleach.

You're right on the first part, although Zommari's power would likely do squat to someone on Juubito's level (probably the same for Rukia).

But yeah, no way in hell does Juubito solo.

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Battles » Grimmjow vs EMS Sasuke Uchiha

@phantomrant said:

@GIRUGAMESH said:

@phantomrant: Madara wasn't even hurt by Gai, he was merely pushed back. Although, country level TBBs? Hmm, dubious. I get that the Juubi's are much stronger than Kurama's, but the jump from mountain-buster+ to country-buster is massive. Personally I'm not convinced he's shown anything at that level (I say that with a big YET; I'm sure Madara, with a near-enough complete Juubi, will be at that level).

Not fully sure what you guys were talking about, but if it was current Madara vs Yammamoto then...there's not much of a discussion to be had.

Yes, Gai did fail to hurt Madara, BUT they were hoping that he could hurt him, hence why they rided on Taijutsu. Of course some people think that that means Bleach characters with "impressive" Hakuda feats can beat Juubi Jinchurikis up.

We've been through the country level bit b4 Giru..... on same previous thread.... of some previous year *stabs Giru* If we look back on that 2nd Juubi form, we know that the Juubi is worth a few kilometers in height. The crater he made would be in the tens of kilometers in terms of diameter (this is all eyeballing). The moment he spammed out that Bijuudama, he made a massive explosion that reached into the trophosphere, and literally disintegrated/pulverized dozens of mountains. We can see that the crater that it'd make would be significantly bigger than the crater that the Juubi was standing on, so we're looking at a crater of destroyed mountains near 100 km in diameter. And of course, that would elicit something well within country level firepower - a.k.a. something in the teratons of TNT. Kakashi did state that the Juubi's Bijuudama WAS ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LEAGUE, so the jump is expected to be BIG, and the Juubi was always hyped up to be something of a life wiper. Country level is a very solid uh....peg.

And from then on, Juubi was shown to literally have used a far stronger Bijuudama in his 3rd form, and when Juubito was in control, he could use 4 of those Bijuudamas at once.

Lol seems legit, country level it is then :)

And yeah, that really made no sense how some people started arguing that Bleach/Onepiece people could wail on Madara because he isn't invulnerable to taijutsu.

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Battles » Grimmjow vs EMS Sasuke Uchiha

@Kurohige said:

I like how this turned into a Yamamoto vs Madara/juubito thread. I have been saying naruto>Bleach for the longest time though, glad someone else agrees with me.

Sasuke should win this fight as well. And yes, there are a handful of Naruto characters that solo Bleach.

The strongest characters in Naruto>the strongest in Bleach, based purely on what has been shown so far (this could change, and it's pretty close as it is). But there is nobody, nobody at all, that could solo the other verse.

@phantomrant: Madara wasn't even hurt by Gai, he was merely pushed back. Although, country level TBBs? Hmm, dubious. I get that the Juubi's are much stronger than Kurama's, but the jump from mountain-buster+ to country-buster is massive. Personally I'm not convinced he's shown anything at that level (I say that with a big YET; I'm sure Madara, with a near-enough complete Juubi, will be at that level).

Not fully sure what you guys were talking about, but if it was current Madara vs Yammamoto then...there's not much of a discussion to be had.

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Battles » Kyuubi Mode Naruto Vs True Bankai Renji, Rukia

Round 1: if both of them keep up the pressure then Naruto may be hard pressed to pull off a bijuudama. Regardless, he has uber clones and a dozen types of rasengan at his disposal, and he'll probably end up pulling one off anyway. Naruto wins 7/10

Round 2: Naruto immediately goes for the bijuudama, maybe even multiple ones. GG

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Battles » Itachi vs Six paths of Pain

@Jgames said:

@GIRUGAMESH: theres no evidence genjutsu won't work when kakkashi even manage to cast a temporary genjutsu against obito who had the rinnegan, while itachi rofl stomp kakkashi with genjutsu. So them being madara eyes is not a good reason.

Sorry, I must have missed that somehow, when did Kakashi put Obito in a genjutsu?

@Kobra678 said:

Itachi loses the last to for sure, but not sure about the 1st. All he has to do is get one of them in Tsukuyomi (assuming it works) and their linked vision would work against them. Just because they have a Rinnegan doesn't mean he's immune to sharingan genjutsu, or else Danzo and Kakashi wouldn't have been trapped in it.

It's like saying that a genjutsu from a regular sharingan would work on someone with an MS, it just doesn't make sense (to me, at least). Does anyone have any scans of visual genjutsu ever working on someone with rinnegan?

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Battles » Broly vs Hulk

A cookie goes to the person who adequately explains how Hulk ever lands a hit on Broly.

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Battles » Ultimate Battle

@GeneralVan: The OBD's calcs put the stone cold stunner's showings on a multiversal level++, and it's heavily implied that Stone COld was holding back when he was using it.

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Battles » Itachi vs Six paths of Pain

@Jgames said:

Round 1: A defenseless Itachi losed

Round 2: Jiraya genjutsu work so why not itachi, and having same eyes as madara is not a reasonable answer.

Round 3: Planet devastation for the win

Round 1: damn right he loses.

Round 2: no, rinnegan is the evolved form of sharingan, beyond the MS as well. Anyone with rinnegan should be practically immune to visual genjutsu. Jiraiya's worked because it was not visual, like Itachi's, but was transmitted via hearing. The idea of tsyukuyomi working on someone with rinnegan is ridiculous to me.

Round 3: damn straight.

So yeah, to sum it up, Itachi loses all 3: the first one will be close, the second one will have Nagato win mid-difficulty, round three will be a stomp.

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Battles » Whis & Bills vs Thor & World Breaker Hulk

@YouFinished: Fair enough, but there are plenty of instances of him actually being defeated by beings far less than herald level. I'll look for a few scans (yours were good) for this. Even accepting Thor as holding back most of the time, the 'higher' feats I've seen still don't put him on the same level of Bills, nevermind Whis.

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