@phantomrant: Madara wasn't even hurt by Gai, he was merely pushed back. Although, country level TBBs? Hmm, dubious. I get that the Juubi's are much stronger than Kurama's, but the jump from mountain-buster+ to country-buster is massive. Personally I'm not convinced he's shown anything at that level (I say that with a big YET; I'm sure Madara, with a near-enough complete Juubi, will be at that level).
Not fully sure what you guys were talking about, but if it was current Madara vs Yammamoto then...there's not much of a discussion to be had.
Yes, Gai did fail to hurt Madara, BUT they were hoping that he could hurt him, hence why they rided on Taijutsu. Of course some people think that that means Bleach characters with "impressive" Hakuda feats can beat Juubi Jinchurikis up.
We've been through the country level bit b4 Giru..... on same previous thread.... of some previous year *stabs Giru* If we look back on that 2nd Juubi form, we know that the Juubi is worth a few kilometers in height. The crater he made would be in the tens of kilometers in terms of diameter (this is all eyeballing). The moment he spammed out that Bijuudama, he made a massive explosion that reached into the trophosphere, and literally disintegrated/pulverized dozens of mountains. We can see that the crater that it'd make would be significantly bigger than the crater that the Juubi was standing on, so we're looking at a crater of destroyed mountains near 100 km in diameter. And of course, that would elicit something well within country level firepower - a.k.a. something in the teratons of TNT. Kakashi did state that the Juubi's Bijuudama WAS ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LEAGUE, so the jump is expected to be BIG, and the Juubi was always hyped up to be something of a life wiper. Country level is a very solid uh....peg.
And from then on, Juubi was shown to literally have used a far stronger Bijuudama in his 3rd form, and when Juubito was in control, he could use 4 of those Bijuudamas at once.
Lol seems legit, country level it is then :)
And yeah, that really made no sense how some people started arguing that Bleach/Onepiece people could wail on Madara because he isn't invulnerable to taijutsu.
Gil i wouldn't trust pixel scaling feats because the authors don't draw to scale.
I wasn't being serious, sorry if I didn't make it clear enough :P of course you can't judge them as country level, I've never bought that.
@Kurohige: Juubidara would get gang rushed from all directions by dozens of characters beyond kage level, good luck summoning that plant thing in the midst of all that. Send in Barragan, Ywach, Yammamoto, Aizen and Dangai Ichigo together, along with the sternritter, and Juubito is f**ked.
@Kurohige: There is more to a character than DC and speed. Certain Bleach characters do have the hax to bring down Juubidara. Here are just a few examples;
1. Aizen taking out KS and trapping Juubidara in a fantasy world until Yamamoto can slice him in half, or Barragan can age him to death with Respira.
2. With Juubidara distracted with the other Bleach-verse, Rukia can freeze him with her bankai. Remember, this is the ENTIRE verse at once.
3. Zommari unleashing his shield from afar and stopping Juubidara dead in his tracks. Without prep, Juubidara wouldn't know what his power was, so he would be more interested in more powerful characters like Ichigo and Yamamoto.
I'm going to call it for now. Needless to say, Juubidara may be powerful, but he can't solo an entire verse at once on the scale of Bleach.
You're right on the first part, although Zommari's power would likely do squat to someone on Juubito's level (probably the same for Rukia).
But yeah, no way in hell does Juubito solo.