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Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,161 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Might Guy vs the Bijuu

@ohgodwhy: True, 8 gates Gai was waaaay too strong. It's ridiculous to think that Gai could have accessed juubi level power whenever he wanted, especially with how many times it would have ended everything. Gates are waaay too strong.

As for this fight? Gai should have this in the bag. If Madara was able to smack the 9 bijuu around with one rinbo: hengoku then I could see Gai hits in 8 gates at least crippling them.

R1: one at a time? Gai easily. I doubt he'd even need night moth. Anyone who doubts this needs to go back and read the manga, his striking power is mad. His weakest hit (the first hit of evening elephant) was enough to form a crater and push Madara several hundred feet into the ground- the same Madara who was barely pushed back by daytime tiger.

The strongest hit of evening elephant (the fifth strike) was able to smash through Madara's black chakra shield, which would have been at least as strong as the one Juubito was going to protect himself with against 4 juubidamas (I know the front was kamuid away, but Madara was smashed straight through the back). Bottom line: a complete set of night elephant hits should be enough to at the very least cripple any of the bijuu, even Kurama. Night Gai = insta death for them.

Gai wins 10/10

R2: again, Gai should take it- 30 minutes is plenty. For anyone who says 'but bijuudamazzz', how are they going to get a chance to charge any kind of attack, much less aim it, when they are getting blitzed by evening elephants? Gai could actually follow out a nice pattern with it (land a hit on the Ichibi with the first, send the second punch at the two-tails, etc). A small target that is strong enough to severely damage them and is much, much faster than they are is going to cause problems for them. I wouldn't be surprised if Gai sent their bijuudamas back at them either, if they did get the chance, using the force of his punch.

The best option for them would to be to aim at the ground in front of them and hope to catch him in the explosion- they'd get damaged, but at least they'd wipe him out if they catch him in it. But for that to happen, Gai would have to let his guard down or ignore at least one of them for long enough for them to charge a blast.

Gai 8/10

@Justice said:

Going by the images I think 8 gates Gai can take out 9 chained up bijuu one on one and all at once, I mean they can't really move. On a serious note 8 Gates Gai should be the strongest Shinobi in Naruto right after current Naruto, Sasuke and Madara. 8 Gates is easily the 4th strongest current shinobi.

Hmm, I'm really not sure how Gai would stack up against current Naruto and Sasuke, but I think an argument can be made to at least put Gai on their level.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,161 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Joke Battle: Gremmy Thoumeaux vs Spongebob Squarepants

Gremmy tries to imagine a scenario where he's a well written character and the fullbring arc wasn't a waste of time. He blows up.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,161 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » The Konoha 9 vs Homunculi (FMAB)

@Low said:

Chouji takes a half of the opponents, Neji takes the rest. Overall Konoha nins are too fast for the Homonculi, with the exception of Pride. Shino and Shikamaru stomps him.

Guessing you mean post-time skip, and don't forget about their regen.

@flashback180 said:

under the right circumstances pride stomps them all

wrath reflex is faster than a stream of bullets and greeds armour is supposed to be indestructible.

and envy IMO is at least as strong as a tailed beast

...as strong as a tailed beast? Don't know about that, tailed beasts are mountain level (Shukaku being the only possible exception).

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,161 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » The Konoha 9 vs Homunculi (FMAB)

The homunculi are sent by Father to destroy a Leaf hideout. It is guarded by the Konoha 11 (with the exception of Naruto and Lee, who are both on other missions, hence Konoha 9).

Round 1: pre-timeskip Konoha 9 and 20 generic ninja (chunnin) vs the homunculi, and the ninja have an hour of prep (but still no knowledge).

Round 2: post-timeskip Konoha 9 vs the homunculi and 30 regular soldiers with rifles.

Fight takes place in a forest.

Who wins in which rounds?

(Picture's really small, not sure why)

To make things clear, this is: Shikamaru, Ino, Kiba, Hinata, Shino, Choji, Sakura, Tenten and Neji vs the 7 homunculi.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,161 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Lucifer(Supernatural) vs. Kid Buu

@Whats_out_the_bag: Except your comparison doesn't work, in that sense, as we can't power scale for Lucifer from anyone who would be on that level.

Cheers for the info and the tier list, but it feels like we're going in circles here. Buu can't erase Lucifer (I'd be happy for a stalemate, I've changed that much), but I'm still not convinced that Lucy could eliminate Buu, based on the feats given so far. As before, you say he's nigh-omnipotent, but could he warp galaxies? Turn the sun into chocolate? Turn the milky way in on itself? It goes back to what I said originally.

I'm leaving this one, in my mind it's a stalemate, but feel free to continue posting if you want.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,161 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Madara, Obito, and Naruto takes on giant mix army of madness!!!

@katanalauncher said:

Obito: Katon nuke, gedo mazo

Madara: A single meteor can wipe out everyone, if not he can also katon nuke, World of Flowering, god help them if he decides to use PS

Naruto: Bijuudama GG battlefield

All three can solo with minimal difficulty.

Definitely this. Madara especially, who could activate PS and then read a book for a while (wouldn't matter, none of their attacks could do jack shit to him).

@Bruce246: Bear in mind that the 3rd Raikage was able to hold off an army of 10,000 ninja for 3 days by himself. If he could do that, imagine what this team could do.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,161 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Lucifer(Supernatural) vs. Kid Buu

@Whats_out_the_bag: Ok, so in their true state, Lucy isn't physical, is that it? If so, how is it that he can 'roast the earth' in a battle, not being physical?

Thanks for the example of dimension forming. When I say 'leagues above them', let me put it this way: I just have trouble seeing a being that, alone, was a threat to the entire universe and was systematically nuking planets for giggles losing to someone who has never done anything beyond earth (that I'm aware of).

'Any being stronger than an Angel'...doesn't Lucifer pop their heads off whenever he feels like it? I heard that you needed archangel weapons to harm Lucifer anyway.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,161 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Tiger Of The Wind Runs The Gauntlet!

@hitsusatsu11 said:

Imo he can win against all except possibly Garurumon.

How does he win against Darth Maul? The guy could force choke him to death, or just force toss him aside before he got anywhere near him.

How does he win against Green Goblin, who singlehandedly is able to give Spiderman a lot of trouble? I don't see him beating Dumbledore either, if he creates a massive lasso of fire (a la Half-blood Prince) then he isn't getting close, plus the wizard has far more experience and a lot more tricks up his sleeve.

Maybe I'm missing something, is Tiger meant to be super fast? I don't remember anyone having super speed in Monster Rancher (not supersonic and above, anyway). As it is, I don't even see how an argument could be made for him beating those three.

And how exactly is he meant to beat a dragon either...?

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,161 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Yuki Nagato vs It

@Saladking said:

Can Yuki resist mind control?

As she is controlled by the Data Overmind, a virtually omnipotent entity (as far as I'm aware), I think she's pretty much safe from mind hacking.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,161 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Lucifer(Supernatural) vs. Kid Buu

@Akira_Toriyama_is_GodofWeights said:

@Whats_out_the_bag:

The entire Supernatural seems like arguing a NLF in vs-Battles.

only feats lucifer/michael has: affecting beings weaker than them.

So can Lucifer destroy Superman, Silver Surfer, Thanos, Marvel thor,Marvel odin, Mephistopheles, Average non-hungry Galactus etc?

And JBA GER = JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Gold Experience Requiem.

Precisely what I was arguing. If guy A has the ability to vaporise a human with a click of his fingers, that doesn't mean he can vaporise a cosmic entity just as easily.

@zacharyc said:

........... this was a spite thread

How so?

@Whats_out_the_bag said:

This is going to be boring. You've been here too long to be making post like that.

@GIRUGAMESH:

Set the earth on fire? Yeah, I've heard that before- and so what? Freiza was a casual planet buster

And that's supposed to be impressive? What is that doing in this battle? Nothing.

, I don't remember Lucifer doing anything like that.

Why does he have to?

Kill Buu with a snap of the fingers? Sorry, nope. When has that ability worked on anyone on Buu's level?

Buu's level? Please don't feed me that bull shit. What's wrong with you people and these this character has better DC thus he can't be killed by anyone with lower DC. Do you not read any fiction?

Please tell me you meant in terms of regeneration as that would be the molecular attack a moment ago . Then I would reply with he can pretty much snap to use any of his abilities.

I suppose Gremmy from Bleach could solo DBZ if he wanted too.

Oh cute you're trying to compare Gremmy to Lucifer. Just because they both share this reality warping ability, doesn't mean they are on the same level. Gremmy's best feat was creating a small meteorite. Lucifer is capable of creating dimensions.

Also if Gremmy's reality warping powers were actually good, then yes he could solo DBZ. A powerful reality warper can do what they want, when they want.

You seem to be guilty of throwing no limit fallacies around here, saying that they can do 'pretty much anything' isn't proof of universal reality warping or anything on that level.

Universal Reality warping. Oh you mean range?

Not sure about that, but I can go and check later for you. But he really doesn't need anything on that scale. A small range will do. He's displayed enough to handle buu.

As far as hurting him goes, destroying his body is usually acceptable in cases like this. As long as we accept that, Lucy is apparently screwed.

ROFL

No it isn't. Please bring up some examples of when destroying the body is acceptable? LET me show you something from the rules "Winner must kill(if possible) or KO the opponent."

See that IF POSSIBLE thing there. Which it isn't for Buu. .

As long as we accept that, Lucy is apparently screwed.

And since when does your opinion on who you think is screwed matters here?

Actually, a lot of fiction (particularly in manga/anime, but also in comics) suggests that character A's abilities are less effective against character B if that character is leagues above them. It's kind of one of the unwritten laws, the kind of thing that stops devilman taking down Freiza, and Gremmy soloing the Bleachverse (they would just say 'reiatsu cancels it' or something to that effect). I could give you dozens of examples, but I'm sure you've read enough to know what I'm talking about.

I'm glad you referred to my example with Gremmy though- looks like you're actually starting to give me feats now. So Lucifer can create dimensions? Awesome, can you give examples? Or be more specific? Because 'creating dimensions' can vary massively in terms of power and scale (e.g. is it a pocket dimension, like Obito's, or a whole separate universe?). The reason I mention Gremmy alongside Lucy is that I wasn't aware of any major feats of his that would put him so far above the sternritter.

But no, I wasn't referring to range- scale and range are two different things. And you say 'he's displayed enough'. Cool, that's what I'm asking for- what has he done? As I said, you know more about the show than I do. The only feats I know of for him are 'scorching the earth' as a side effect of a full-power battle and blowing off people's heads, neither of which are enough to beat Buu.

I used the example of 'killing the body' from my own experience of threads like these. In another thread, a guy was arguing that Gandalf stalemates Goku because Gandalf's spirit would survive. I had the same logic in mind here (you're right about the OP, though). Could you explain Lucifer's durability to me, and the deal with his host possession?

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,161 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Severus Snape Runs The Gauntlet!

He'd probably lose against Pan, Venom and maybe Renamon, not sure about the rest.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,161 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Lucifer(Supernatural) vs. Kid Buu

@Whats_out_the_bag said:

@Akira_Toriyama_is_GodofWeights:

This clearly isn't a religious debate as this is from the series.

Also a battle between them would cause the earth to be in flames.

based on DC feats lucifer doesn't even register as a threat in DBZ.

I know you must be new the battle forms and all, but you should know DC isn't the only way to win a battle.

Lucifer can snap his fingers and kill buu on a molecular level.

He's a reality warper. His little brother ( which it's stated that Lucifer taught him everything he knows) can create black holes, different dimensions where he once put the main character in a TV LAND like world.

Angels have the power to stop time, and time travel.

What would anyone in DBZ do to Lucifer? He doesn't have a physical body for them to hurt, he also can regenerate from anything ( his vessel form). He doesn't have a soul, yet he can soul fuck and mind fuck.

@GIRUGAMESH:

what has Lucifer ever done to put him remotely close to Buu?

In terms of DC he hasn't done much. But Angels are very powerful and fast. He has no way of hurting Lucifer, while Lucy as billions of ways to kill him.

Set the earth on fire? Yeah, I've heard that before- and so what? Freiza was a casual planet buster, I don't remember Lucifer doing anything like that.

Kill Buu with a snap of the fingers? Sorry, nope. When has that ability worked on anyone on Buu's level? I suppose Gremmy from Bleach could solo DBZ if he wanted too. You seem to be guilty of throwing no limit fallacies around here, saying that they can do 'pretty much anything' isn't proof of universal reality warping or anything on that level.

As far as hurting him goes, destroying his body is usually acceptable in cases like this. As long as we accept that, Lucy is apparently screwed.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,161 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Yuki Nagato vs It

Yuki has done things on a far greater level than It, she should take this.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,161 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kenpachi vs Mihawk

Based on hype? Mihawk would likely give him a good fight, but still lose.

Based on feats? Kenpachi has a bit of fun and then crushes him.

To give people some idea, I rank Mihawk as being firmly admiral level (based on feats and hype), but Kenpachi is a member of Bleach's top tier, as it stands (alongside Current/Dangai Ichigo, Bach, Yammamoto and Hogyoku Aizen). I don't see him losing this.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,161 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Vegeta VS Apocalypse

Vegeta wins easily, and this is coming from an Apocalypse fan.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,161 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Lucifer(Supernatural) vs. Kid Buu

@Whats_out_the_bag said:

Lucifer wins. He's too strong for Buu.

Interesting, because when last I checked, Lucifer wasn't even planet level. Supernatural tends to get far too much support from some.

You probably know the show better than I do, though- what has Lucifer ever done to put him remotely close to Buu?

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Battles » Gremmy Thoumeaux vs Juubi

@DevilMayhem666 said:

@taichokage: We don't know if he can turn a whole body(especially one as big as the juubi) into a cookie. His powers are proven to have limitations, so its kinda hard to debate about this guy beyond what he has shown without sounding like no-limit-fallacy.

EDIT: Even if all the juubi bones are broken that probably won't kill it. As it seems that pieces of chakra from the bjiuu still possess a conscious as shown in the past chapters.

Exactly.

@taichokage said:

Turning it into a cookie might work? Incredible raw power alone, no matter who is irrelevant next to reality warping even at a small-medium scale as long as both parties are serious. Gremmy is a fool in character but bloodlusted there is no issue.

Reckon he could turn Galactus into a cookie as well? How about Goku? Unwritten law of manga/anime #11: if character A is on a level well beyond character B, it doesn't matter what character B's power is, they still lose. I accept that it often doesn't make sense, but in practice it applies in a lot of cases.

If Gremmy tried turning Kenpachi into a cookie now in the manga, it would probably say 'it didn't work, his reiatsu is just too damn high'. If they had sent Gremmy to take down Yammamoto via cookie transformation? 'Sorry, the reiatsu was too damn high'.

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Battles » Raiden vs Sasuke Uchiha

@SpeedForceSpider said:

Round 1: pre- Itachi fight CM Sasuke

Raiden stomps

round 2: pre- Hokage summit MS Sasuke

Raiden Mid diff

round 3: Post Kabuto fight EMS sasuke vs All Game equipment Raiden

Sasuke Mid diff

round 4: current EMS sasuke vs All game equipment Raiden

Sasuke stomps

This exactly.

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Battles » Trafalgar Law, Kuma and Doflamingo vs Madara

@5th said:

The team has the hax to take down Madara, but if Madara hits any of them it's over.

This.

@WorldEater said:

The Team. Madara will get overwhelmed.

Mads really needs more feats. Madara before he got the jinchuuriki's power should have been strong enough to take on 2 admirals, with the Juubi's power he should be able to win against all 3 (I put the 3 admirals, Akoji, Kizaru and Akainu, above these guys). But it feels like the difference between Madara before the juubi's power and his current form isn't that great...

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Battles » Juubi Madara, 8 Gates Mighty Guy Vs Current Kenpachi

@sickVisionz said:

Isn't the argument for Bleach vs Naruto threads that nobody can see or sense Bleach characters, therefore they can just walk up and stab people freely with nobody being able to do anything?

Fortunately few people are dumb enough to make that point, as the thread becomes irrelevant.

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