phoenix is nigh omnipotent, only a few things have the power to beat like living tribunal and spectre, other than that idk
there is no such thing like nigh omnipotent or near omnipotent. Either someone is omnipotennt or hes not omnipotent. She would effortlessly curbstomp spectre based on feats as well as statements.
@Jinbeifan1: Scathan beat living tribunal ( MANY LIVING TRIBUNALS ) with little to no effort... so i bet any other high tier celestials can do it.
I don't know where you're getting that from, no version of the Phoenix could beat the LT (even the Phoenix Force itself) and there is only one LT in all of existence.
That said, Phoenix still stomps easily.
LT and phoenix both are stated to be second only to the creator TOAA so they are equal
Way to necro the whole thread, I posted that ages ago.
FYI, there are inconsistencies riddled across both Marvel and DC. See other comics, the LT is stated to be above the Phoenix Force. Go to Comicvine, they will all happily tell you that LT>>Phoneix Force. Moreover, the LT's feats dwarf anything seen by any incarnation of the Phoenix. Can the phoenix hold megaverses in the palm of its hand? Can the phoenix exist outside of universes?
Clearly shows that the Watcher has a lot of thinking to do. The Phoenix Force is the abstract entity with control over life, but the LT was created as the ultimate judge of TOAA, capable of judging even the abstracts (and is therefore more powerful). The PF is honestly closer to the likes of Eternity than the LT.
To give you some idea:
Also, the Watcher's claim in that comic is undermined even more by the fact that there are beings under TOAA who are still beyond the PF and the LT (e.g. Pre-retcon Molecule Man).
"LT is stated to be above Phoenix" PROVE IT. SHOW SCAN !
i don't care about LT fanboys of comic vine who take his feat and overhype to ridiculous proportions. LT never holded megaverse. He holded brothers who are embodiment of multiverse/megaverse NOT the multiverse in its real form. READ THIS CAREFULLY ---
Beyonder came to earth. and His reality was millions of times bigger than multiverse and he was ALL THAT WAS in his reality so beyonder is actually millions times greater/bigger than multiverse. and he was there standing in earth so in other words earth actually HOLDED him. Does it mean earth is millions times greater than multiverse ? NO because beyonder was in human form not in his "millions times multiverse " form. SIMILARLY Tribunal holded brothers in their transformer type looking form NOT in their multivese form.
SO that feat accounts for nothing more than holding a giant humanoid of skyscrapper size. LT's best feat is defeating IG which is multiversal and is clearly below White Phoenix as stated in scan i posted. There is another scan which shows that IG derives it power from Big Bang and Phoenix is embodiment of Big Bang.
Thus Watcher is absolutely correct.
Molecule man is multiversal hence below Phoenix. Phoenix transformed galan to galactus granting him his power and galactus at his best is shown to be OMNIVERSAL. So Phoenix is omniversal as well.
AND we are getting out of topic AND i have post limit. Lets continue this in private messages
I have nothing to continue with someone who gives such a hilarious post as a serious argument.
Oh look, LT exists on a plane beyond space and time. He is capable of perceiving and existing across all universes simultaneously. Also, did you not see my other scan? The Phoenix clearly answers to the LT.
I could give you more scans, some with Pre-retcon Molecule Man, which show that he was beyond any of them (omnipotents aside), how he effortlessly repaired the damage done by the Beyonder to multiverses. But tell you what, I'll just give you this link. It has all the scans you'll need:
Note that in one of them it explicitly states that he is the second most powerful being in existence (above the LT), just behind Pre-Retcon Beyonder (who is wholly omnipotent).
Galactus is omniversal? Sorry, we're done. Anyone who thinks that has no credibility when it comes to Marvel knowledge.
If you want to believe that Galactus>Pre-Retcon Molecule Man then you really, really need to do more rreading. Hopefully that link will help.