@katanalauncher said:
@GIRUGAMESH said:
@katanalauncher said:
@GIRUGAMESH said:
@DBZ_universe: I doubt it.
@katanalauncher said:
@GIRUGAMESH said:
@katanalauncher: She was kicking Kenpachi's ass, but I don't see her stomping half a dozen vizards and captains in the space of about 30 seconds as he did (especially with Shinji and Shunsui among them). He was also strong/fast enough to make Ichigo look like a joke (pre final power-up).
That's due to Aizen's shikai ability.
Outside of Shikai and hogyoku Aizen hasn't shown much that place him above the stronger Senior Captains.
In base he was overpowered by Isshin, while in first stage of hogyoku transformation he have trouble with the FKT trio.
The most impressive feat he has is stopping a exhausted ichigo's sword just after he mastered Bankai.
Urahara/Shinji/Isshin are all able to damage Aizen, and Unohona is more impressive than them being the best swordsman with a bankai that can seriously damage Aizen.
She was even hyped up to be on par with the Royal guards.
No, it wasn't due to his shikai ability. He released it and then proceeded to blitz/curbstomp the vizards and the captains in about 30 seconds.
Remember when Aizen stopped Ichigo's attack with his finger?
Remember when Aizen brought Grimmjow to his knees with reiatsu alone?
Remember when Aizen proved himself leagues above Ichigo after the latter arrived at the battle?
Don't try low-balling the guy, Aizen is still a beast without his shikai and the hogyoku. Shinji was stomped, and it's clear that Urahara and Isshin are well above the captains. Unohana is better than them? Bullshit. Sorry, but that really is crap. Kicking Kenpachi's ass is the only thing she has shown, and if you're going to argue that Ishin/Urahara couldn't have done the same then don't expect to be taken seriously. On par with the royal guards? Scan please. And honestly, even if she was, Ishin and Urahara are likely on that level too.
But of course, even if Unohana's stats did outclass Aizen's, he still has his shikai to fall back on.
As far as I'm concerned, Aizen>Unohana>>any of the captains apart from Yammamoto.
You are underestimating what the Senior Captains could do.
Shusui was easily defeated due to Kyoka Suigetsu creates opening in the fight.
Yes Aizen was well above people like SS Bankai Ichigo/HM Bankai Ichigo and Grimmjow.
That Doesn't really change a thing since base ulquiorra was above Bankai Ichigo by a wide margin and R1 ulquiorra was stomping Vizard Bankai Ichigo whose a league above regular Bankai.
Starrk who is undoubtedly stronger than R1 ulquiorra was defeated by Shikai Shunsui, even though he had help the vizards didn't really do much but get in the way and in the end Shunsui didn't have much difficulty defeating him.
Shunsui and Ukitake was certain they could take or delay Yamamoto in their "fight" despite know full well what Yamamoto is capable of.
Even senior Captains like Shunsui and Ukitake have shown to respect Unohana's ablilty so hype alone puts her above the Senior Captains.
Unohana was with Yamamoto in the old Gotei 13 so it's likely that their powers aren't far apart.
Kenpachi with twohanded "kendo" is able to oneshot a released espada, and before he faced Unohana he took out three Qunicies with minimum difficulty, something no Captain was shown to do.
Yet a full on Kenpachi didn't even make Unohana break a sweat at the beginning.
Unohana was hyped to be the greatest swordsman in Soul Society other than Kenpachi, even the Royal Guards and Yamamoto have no hype to be above her in base kendo ability.
Even the royal guard Kirinji urges Unohana to take up the sword instead of healing.
It's possible that Urahara got more powerful since he was banished but yoruichi was pretty much rusty in the beginning of the story and in the flashback Shunsui was still hyped above them.
Yoruichi arguebly did more damage to Aizen than Urahara with her shunpo so it's unlikely yoruichi and Urahara's power are that far apart.
Then we have Isshin who was a regular Captain before he lost his power, in base he was weaker than a prototype arrancar. We don't know everything that happened before the flashback but it's unlikely that he was more powerful than Senior captains back then.
So none of the FKT trios have shown they are well above Senior Captains like Shunsui.
It was Unohana herself who stated that Ichigo's reiatsu was roughly double that of a captain's. This was the same Ichigo who was made to look like nothing against Aizen.
Shunsui and Shinji were stomped via blitz, they were full of openings because Hitsugaya lost the plot and their teamwork fell apart after Aizen was done trolling them.
Base Aizen>>>>Shunsui, how can you not get this?
"Unohana was with Yamamoto in the old Gotei 13 so it's likely that their powers aren't far apart"- what?! She hasn't got any feats to put her in the same league as Yamamoto. Who cares about being slightly better in base kendo when you have overwhelming power and HAX abilities? So the royal guard told her to take up the sword, so what? That proves little.
Possible that Urahara got stronger? Of course he did, unless you want to suggest he was sitting on his ass doing nothing all those years. Urahara>any captain except Yamamoto as far as I'm concerned, the guy was comboing with level 90 hados.
Ultimately, Unohana would still go down to kyoka suigetsu, if all else failed. One way or another, Aizen is winning this.
Ichigo's reiatsu isn't a good indicator of Captain's strength, his strength also fluctuates too much to be used in debate.
After Unohana said that Ichigo in vizard mask that increases his reiatsu even more was horribly raped by Gin whose not even trying.
Unless you want to tell me lolGin is above captains.
Bankai Ichigo was nothing compared to the Senior Captains.
Aizen's only HAX above the senior Captains is HS, with HS he can almost beat anyone.
I did not say it was not possible for Urahara to get stronger, but even if he did he's still releaivily the same level, we can use Yoruichi as a good indicator.
Not to mention Urahara have some crappy feats.
Your only indication of Aizen's base ability are those comparison with Ichigo which are unreliable and pointless, his fight with the Captains which he used HS, and the fight where he got tosses around by base Isshin.
Unohana would beat Aizen in kendo slash battle, especially with her healing ability.
Actually, yes it is, since reiatsu is pretty much equal to power in the series.
And yes, of course Gin is above most captains, why would that be hard to believe? He was never once truly serious in any fight until he backstabbed Aizen, and was stated to be a prodigy. I can tell you this much, he certainly has more feats that Unohana does.
*Sigh* Aizen BLITZED the captains (yes, that includes Shunsui), he was not using his shikai for it. Gin himself stated that they didn't have a shot at beating Aizen even if he wasn't using his ability, and before you come back and say, "Gin was probably lying", that's untrue: he'd have no reason to lie and he was only talking to himself.
Kommamura was one-shotted by a level 90 hado at a third of its power. Urahara is capable of chaining perfect level 90 hados, and btw, he is clearly above Yoruichi (Urahara>Ishin>Yoruichi IMO). The fact that Urahara was able to cause Aizen concern (in terms of base abilities he was likely even above Aizen) speaks volumes- Urahara would kick most captains' asses, and that includes Unohana.
"Unreliable and pointless"- Ichigo was mid-high captain level at that point, whether you accept it or not (at least on the level of Byakuya/Kenpachi). The fact that Aizen could have still murdered him whenever he chose indicates how powerful he is.
Again, I'll say, I don't really care even if Unohana could beat Aizen in a "kendo slash battle", because he'll win anyway due to kido and his hax abilities.
@DBZ_universe: cheers man.
