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Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@akronawol17 said:

Gremmy never tried the cookie bone trick on Kenny due to CIS iirc, and Kaguya is not immune to reality warping. just because she's wanked to high hell doesn't suddenly mean she can overpower a reality-altering attack. Kenny won due to some of the worst PIS and CIS imaginable, that doesn't mean Kaguya suddenly becomes immune to Gremmy's powers. thats like saying "lol, Firelord lost to SpiderMan, that means Venom can beat him easily!!". see what i'm saying? using Gremmy's PIS feats against him doesn't change the fact Kaguya does not have the strength nor the durability to survive her bones being turned to cookies

So Gremmy could turn Galactus into cookies as well, right? Since he apparently has no limits?

The only time he ever turned anyone into cookies was via physical contact. Good luck to him doing that against a dimension hopper. Of course, her regen/immortality means that it wouldn't make a great deal of difference even if she lost her bones.

Even Madara was able to regenerate his whole left side, organs, bones, etc, with no permanent damage to him after that. Kaguya is at a level where even some of the strongest attacks in the Narutoverse can only knock her around/slow her down.

@CosmicKnight75 said:

Wow this is still going, I am gonna ask this, if Gremmy can think up anything, why did he just say to make his body like steal? Why not, my body cant be cut period? Why does he need to make clones to expand the use of his imagination? Obvious limits are obvious.

Or why not rebel against Ywach and solo the verse, since it's not like anything could pose any sort of threat to him?

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@taichokage: Kaguya would be the one sneak killing, it's a viable tactic which she used multiple times during her fight. I don't remember Gremmy being a master of stealth.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@akronawol17 said:

Kenny's monster physical strength and durability is what let him overpower Gremmy's powers. Kaguya has neither. if her bones are turned to cookies she'd either die or at the very least be unable to continue

Hilarious, given that Kaguya (against everything in the Narutoverse) is immortal.

@taichokage: @Zerogodlike: What part of immortality are you all missing here?

@taichokage said:

She was the most powerful, not inherently the most durable. Gremmy's fight was riddled with PIS that nobody wants to acknowledge but the moment Kaguya's consistentl flaws are brought up, it's PIS. I don't agree with you my friend.

Gremmy blowing himself up was CIS. What else about that fight didn't sit right with you?

@Zerogodlike said:

@GIRUGAMESH said:

@CosmicKnight75 said:

Honestly all that arguments made for Gremmy make it sound like he'd solo Bleach. Dude was an idiot with obvious limits to his powers that likely don't apply to someone of greater power much like how a lot of other hax abilities in Bleach are overcome by simply being much stronger (ex. Aizen being immune to Soifons shikai). As much as it surprises me I'd say this, Kaguya stomps.

This, pretty much. Gremmy was clearly shown to have limits to his power, that isn't PIS/CIS.

@taichokage said:

@xlab3000: You can't link to pirated website my friend. And nobody said Gremmy didn't have limitations. My point is is that Cookie bones + vanish = defeated Kaguya. It's simple.

And he didn't do that to Kenpachi why? Simple, Kenpachi was too powerful. Same reason Devil Man can't kill Freiza, same reason Gremmy can't kill Galactus. Limitations and CIS aren't the same thing, his cookie antics evidently don't apply when it comes to people leagues above him.

@xlab3000: You speak the truth.

you would have a point if he used that abilitie against ken which he didn't and his space room almost killed ken as it is Gremmy can preform his hax faster due to fact its instant which means he wins in a non PIS/Cis environment you guys need to learn to let naruto lose and stop wanking up to more than what it is.

Naruto now has several characters who could crush the likes of Ywach. If I find it difficult to believe that a sternritter could beat someone on this level then forgive me, but it isn't wanking.

Gremmy can't transform someone as strong as Ken into a cookie, just as he could turn the whole verse into cookies. Sorry mate, his powers have been clearly shown to be limited. All sternritter powers are spawned from Ywach. Is it so hard to believe that someone far more powerful than Ywach would be beyond them?

Kaguya has no need to keep Gremmy alive. She dimension hops and sneak kills him, end of. Did you see, by the way, how Gremmy grabbed Yachiru to turn her bones into cookies? Interesting, that.

@taichokage said:

Kishi contradicted himself. Kaguya's body was supposed to be the same as Madara's but she spat him out so that wasn't necessarily the case. He made that contradiction so that Madara would die not be sealed I get it but nonetheless he contradicted it. Also Biju dama are Ninjutsu. The sages are highly resistant to and can absorb ninjutsu like Juubito tanking Biju Dama all day but a normal Rasengan imbued with Senjutsu blasted him to the ground. As long as it's not Senjutsu they can tank it. I think they can even absob Senjutsu just not tank it very well. We see this continually. Sasuke cut Madara in half because it was a physical attack. Guy blew away half his body because it was physical. Sakura broke her horn because it was physical. Zetsu impaled Madara because it was physical. Juubito impaled Madara because it was physical. Naruto ripped the arm off because it was physical strength. There is no inconsistency. The sages are very weak to physical damage compared to ninjutsu.

True. However, although Kaguya was affected by physical attacks, she was never permanently damaged by them, nor did any attack that hit her threaten to kill her. If this were not the case, there would have been no need to seal her in the first place.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@CosmicKnight75 said:

Honestly all that arguments made for Gremmy make it sound like he'd solo Bleach. Dude was an idiot with obvious limits to his powers that likely don't apply to someone of greater power much like how a lot of other hax abilities in Bleach are overcome by simply being much stronger (ex. Aizen being immune to Soifons shikai). As much as it surprises me I'd say this, Kaguya stomps.

This, pretty much. Gremmy was clearly shown to have limits to his power, that isn't PIS/CIS.

@taichokage said:

@xlab3000: You can't link to pirated website my friend. And nobody said Gremmy didn't have limitations. My point is is that Cookie bones + vanish = defeated Kaguya. It's simple.

And he didn't do that to Kenpachi why? Simple, Kenpachi was too powerful. Same reason Devil Man can't kill Freiza, same reason Gremmy can't kill Galactus. Limitations and CIS aren't the same thing, his cookie antics evidently don't apply when it comes to people leagues above him.

@xlab3000: You speak the truth.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » PRIME GARP & SENGOKU vs. HASHIRAMA & TOBIRAMA

@ImDictatorBowDown said:

I disagree, Garp and Sengoku in their prime are hyped to be island level in durability and at least mountain level in physical power, add in precog and MHS speeds for both and I'd say they can overwhelm Hashi and Tobirama.

Ofcourse this is all based off of their hype since neither have shown many feats in their prime.

Pretty much this.

By hype? It's going to be a great fight and it could go either way based on statements.

By feats? Hashi alone would be a big challenge, throw in Tobirama and they've got it hands down.

Victory goes to the Senju bros.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Majin Vegeta vs SSJ2 teen Gohan vs Dabura

Vegeta low-mid difficulty, he's not only more powerful but a better, more experienced fighter than Gohan.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Sensui vs Juubito vs Garp

Based on that scan, I want to go with Sensui.

Juubito > Whitebeard/Garp, prime or otherwise. OP remains outclassed when it comes to the top guns.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

With CIS on, he blows himself to bits in terror of her. With it off, he still lacks the feats to put himself anywhere near her. Not being able to take down Kenpachi isn't CIS, that merely shows the limitations of his power.

@taichokage said:

@akronawol17 said:

without PIS/CIS Gremmy could stomp via turning Kaguya's bones to cookies, imagining her not existing, or changing her into something. hell, he could imagine she's sealed in the moon again lol

Agreed. Gremmy is sat on because he sucked as a character. But in total honesty, his ability is the most hax ability in the HST bar none.

I agree, but the level on which he can employ said power is only around Kenpachi level. CIS off he could still do sh*t to, say, a prime Ywach.

Kaguya>>Ywach>>Gremmy. Simple as that.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Pre Time Skip Kakashi Vs Naruto & Sasuke, Gaara & Neji

@eddz99 said:

Jiraya was only 3 tail level without sage mode.

Base Jiraya >>>> Pre timeskip kakashi.

It was stated and Kakashi agreed that Haku was stronger than Zabuza, since Kakashi and Zabuza were even at that time, Haku should be above Kakashi.

The Haku comment was likely hyperbole, given that Sasuke was his equal in taijutsu from what we saw.

Kakashi should take it, providing they all remain in base form. If transformations/powerups get involved, they'll overwhelm him (Shukaku alone would probably be too much).

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Erza Scarlet vs Kisuke Urahara

@DeathHero61: He demonstrated kido that would have killed Aizen, without the hogyoku (Aizen stated this himself). What more do you want? It takes far less than that to beat Erza. He has more than hype going for him.

@taichokage: Damn straight.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Juubi Obito and Madara Vs Kaguya

@ShinobiX said:

HA nice!

I guess it makes sense now...that's why Hagoromo always keeps his pimp cane nearby...

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Erza Scarlet vs Kisuke Urahara

@DeathHero61 said:

@colliderz said:

@akronawol17 said:

you mean the nearly featless character that fought on par with Aizen and out-prepped the best prep-timer in the whole series?

Yes, I mean that guy who we don't even know his shikai fully let alone his Bankai(this sheer fact shows he is near featless) also while fighting Aizen he didn't showed any notable feats and the fact he hold his own against Aizen without a notable feat is ''hype'' not ''feat''

This exactly. Erza takes it.

You're ignoring the other posts. Urahara's kido is on a level that he could take down Aizen, he doesn't need a shikai to beat Erza.

Wasn't it agreed in another thread that Laxus would have a tough time against Grimmjow? There are very few characters in FT that can compete with Bleach's high tiers.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Erza Scarlet vs Kisuke Urahara

@colliderz said:

@akronawol17 said:

you mean the nearly featless character that fought on par with Aizen and out-prepped the best prep-timer in the whole series?

Yes, I mean that guy who we don't even know his shikai fully let alone his Bankai(this sheer fact shows he is near featless) also while fighting Aizen he didn't showed any notable feats and the fact he hold his own against Aizen without a notable feat is ''hype'' not ''feat''

Holding your own against Aizen is a feat, he's demonstrated kido on such a level that Aizen admitted he would have died without the hogyoku.

@akronawol17 said:

okay, so if i forget one of several shikai it automatically means idk the character? well, thats disappointing.

here, look at his feats for yourself. he would've killed Aizen several times if not for his immortality. Erza would be trolled to death

Exactly this. Urahara > base Aizen, and base Aizen >> Erza.

This isn't hard people.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Juubi Obito and Madara Vs Kaguya

@othus12 said:

team wins. naruto and sasuke were having trouble with madara alone and they managed to defeat kaguya.

This.

Tbh I don't see how the Rikudo sennin is meant to be weaker than her- Naruto and Sasuke assumed his power...and beat Kaguya. You could say it's also down to their own individual skills as well, but still, she did seem a bit meh the entire time (a few times, Naruto alone was giving her a run for her money). I have no doubt that Hagoromo was weaker than her when he fought her, but after taking the power of the ten tails...I'm not so sure.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Juubi Obito and Madara Vs Kaguya

@akronawol17 said:

team wins. they have way better feats... and were better villains

This.

Kaguya gets her unimpressive ass kicked. In terms of raw power and abilities, she's the best in the verse, but the ones that she actually uses in battle were pretty weak for someone with more power than the Juubi.

Madara alone gives her a fight, with Juubito they should take it handily.

Also: Zetsu is a non factor.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » OMNIMON vs. IMPERIALDRAMON

Omnimon any day of the week. Imperialdramon is outclassed in every way.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Erza Scarlet vs Kisuke Urahara

@akronawol17: He'll get trolled just as hard as the rest of them. The only thing he'll be freezing are Urahara dummies.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Senketsu Hinata vs. Pain (Joke Battle)

Naruto loses his boner as soon as Pain pulls that face. His horrifying toonforce wins it for him.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Erza Scarlet vs Kisuke Urahara

@Jinbeifan1 said:

@Jgames said:

@DeathHero61: easy, is called troll mode .Trolololol

But to be honest what feat does he have without prep that is impressive. Erza destroy a city size island and tank a city busting attack while kisuke have no real impressive feat outside of prep. TBH Erza should take it all round

If you're talking about when she and her counterpart fought, there is NO WAY that rock was city sized. And tanking a city busting attack, I hope you're not reffering to the pluto canon from the first season (or whatever season it was) Which was only going to destroy the guild.

Moreover, the collision from their best attacks caused that. Erza certainly isn't an island buster.

I don't know how this hasn't been locked yet, Urahara serious could solo Erza, Natsu and Gray together.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,266 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Igneel & Acnologia vs. Naruto and Sasuke

I'd guess that we have more to see from Acnologia, but what we've seen so far isn't enough to put him on their level. In my mind, Igneel hasn't shown anything more impressive than a standard bijuudama (he's not above BM Naruto, IMO), and would go down quickly.

The 2 current kings of the verse win easily.

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