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Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Bulk and Skull vs. Team Rocket(Joke Battle)

PAHAHA, 'takes place in a black hole'?

Bulk is the only one left alive, as his flab effectively plugs the hole up.

If it were on an even playing field, though, the 20,000 mile distance means that Bulk would never make it, even if he hit the gym using their week of prep. In that case, team Rocket for sure.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Scar(FMA)vs Alexander Anderson(Hellsing) vs Lord Mozgus(Berserk)

@taichokage said:

I have a confession to make. I didn't notice Anderson in the title or OP...............I was tired but wow.

Haha that explains it.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Incredible Hulk Vs Golden Cloth Seiya

@Whats_out_the_bag: What's he's pointing out are the many, many instances of bad writing with the Hulk. Given the number of writers, there are always going to be inconsistencies and poor bits of writing, but I think speed might just be the most inconsistent part of all.

'Bullet timing, missile catching': yes, in some instances, he is that fast. In others, we see him getting tagged by people who are barely even superhuman.

I remember an issue where the Thing tagged the Silver Surfer (sure SS wasn't being serious, but not like he was making it easy for the Thing to hit him). It's stuff like this that forces me to doubt a lot of comic claims with regards to this. I have people telling me that Thor is FTL, yet in some cases he's blindsided by the Hulk.

But on topic, Hulk stands no chance whatsoever.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Hashirama, Madara, Guy, Sasuke, Naruto, Obito Vs Nappa

@phantomrant: bloodlusted or IC, I don't see Madara beating Nappa.

Would you care to elaborate?

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gajeel Redfox vs Might Guy

Welcome to the site, dude.

As for this fight, Gajeel is a tough cookie; Gai's regular hits might do some damage, but it would take while to put him down for good. Which is why I can see him opening the gates and, in my opinion, as soon as he hits 6 or above, Gajeel won't stand a chance.

I say Gai wins, though it may take a little longer than usual.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Naruto » Do you agree with this Naruto character strength list?

Thing is, if you're going to include all the characters of Naruto, you're gonna need a bigger list with way more tiers. As it is, there are a fair few problems with the one above: no way should Itachi be on the same level as Madara/Hashirama, and why is Jiraiya on the same level as Nagato and Obito? And what's Shino doing in the same tier as Tsunade and Kakashi?

Tier 1 (God tier +): Kaguya, and probably the Rikudo Sennin at his prime (if not then on the tier just below. He'd still be stronger than Madara).

Tier 2 (God tier): Prime Madara (with the Juubi and both rinnegan). I feel content placing him a tier above Naruto/Sasuke, as they were barely keeping him at bay together (man gets his own tier).

Tier 3 (Lesser god tier): Madara (with the Juubi and one rinnegan), current Naruto, current Sasuke, Juubito, 8 gates Gai

Tier 4: Hashirama (both edo and alive versions), Madara (edo and alive)

Tier 5: BM Naruto, BM Minato, EMS Sasuke, Nagato, Obito and maaayyybe prime Tobirama and Sage Kabuto.

Can't be bothered to list anymore, just wanted to get the uber characters in there :P

Would people agree with these rankings? Might be a few I've forgotten.

@Low said:

@ozeol: Itachi should go Tier 2. Tier 3 moved up to Tier 2. Gai and Kisame should go in at Tier 3. The 5 Kages are Tier 2 or 3. 3 edo Hokages Minato, Hiruzen Tobirama also to T3.

Hold on, you would put the 5 kage on the same level as Hashirama and Madara? I can't agree with that, dude, there's been loads to suggest that either of them could crush the kage without much trouble.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Yamcha VS aquaman

This is like the Star Trek red coat vs the Stormtrooper all over again.

Aquaman will trip and fall flat on his face (because he fails at life), but Yamcha will blow up anyway (because he fails even more).

Aquaman wins.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Hashirama, Madara, Guy, Sasuke, Naruto, Obito Vs Nappa

@Low said:

@GeneralVan: lmao you do realize that blast, in the anime, did not even obliterate an entire city, right? A Bijuu Bomb in narutoverse is 300 times more impressive and destructive.

Wtf? Are you serious? Sorry

@Whats_out_the_bag

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Coyote Stark vs Ulquiorra Cifer (rematch)

@waybig1010101: Ahhh very well then, sorry, continue as you were :)

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Rate The Debaters

@DBZ_universe: Oh don't worry, I knew you were being sarcastic, was agreeing with you :) yeah I remember that thread, 'Goku and Vegeta vs my crappy OC who can fire shurikens from his nipples and is so cool u guys'.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Coyote Stark vs Ulquiorra Cifer (rematch)

@waybig1010101 said:

@nishi99: by statements he made the three above him sound even stronger than himself just saying
@CerusSerenade said:

7:45

"Even if you were lucky enough to succeed, there are 3 Espada ranked above me who are much stronger than I."

Stark wins.

Fantastic example of feats>>>character statements. It could be argued that he was hiding his full strength, so that was part of the act. Either way, anyone who thinks that Hallibel>Ulquiorra doesn't know what they're talking about.

Anyway:

R1: Really hard to call, but probably Stark, in my mind. He was fast enough to blitz Kenpachi and Ichigo (when he had beaten Grimmjow), plus he was keeping up with Kyoraku. Though Ulquiorra has shown more feats...not decided on that one.

R2: Ulquiorra. In his R1 state he was able to blitz Vizard Ichigo and totally outclass him. He should be able to take down a base Stark.

R3: Ulquiorra. My opinion on this hasn't changed, Stark never showed anything that I was that impressed with. Moreover, his reiatsu was described by Uryuu as an 'ocean' above them- I don't remember Stark showing anything like that. Barragan aside, full power Ulquiorra always seemed the strongest to me.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Hashirama, Madara, Guy, Sasuke, Naruto, Obito Vs Nappa

@taichokage said:

True but team Naruto has considerably more hax than team Z did. In character Nappa would lose for sure given his cockiness in tanking attacks. Bloodlusted, eh.......

I'd pretty much agree with this, tbh, especially if the Naruto team have knowledge of Nappa's abilities.

@Low said:

@comicfanforever said:

Not overkill for sure...

An overgrown stupid ape vs 3 Sharingan users who can predict movement Naruto who can percieve movement? Its nothing but overkill. Can Nappa defend againat Gudou Dama? I don't think so. Can Nappa save himself from Mugen Tsukiyomi? I don't think so. This is a mismatch as it is.

Can Nappa defend against gudou dama? Let's say he can't. Are you saying that he's going to get tagged by it? Maybe, but I doubt it (given that his speed outclasses any of the gudou dama users), and definitely not if he's bloodlusted and just relies purely on energy attacks.

Can he save himself from mugen tsukuyomi? The answer to that question is right there in the scan.

@LHWKnight said:

@nishi99: I said absorb and I also said all three of them at the same time. did you forget Rinnegan chakra absorption.

You automatically assume that chakra absorption = ki absorption. Also, what was the strongest attack that was absorbed by the preta path ability? Last time I checked, it was rasenshuriken. Try again.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Scar(FMA)vs Alexander Anderson(Hellsing) vs Lord Mozgus(Berserk)

I don't know what Mozgus is capable of, but as most people seem to think it's between Scar and Anderson, I'll have to side with the latter.

Even with speed equalised, Anderson still outclasses Scar in durability, strength and skill. He can regenerate, he's strong enough to match Alucard physically (who can tear through vampires like paper) and, as Dream said, has deadly skill with his bayonets, which he has a seemingly endless supply of (explosive and regular).

Scar is more versatile thanks to alchemy, but I don't see that being enough to close the gap between them. Anderson should win at least 8/10.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Hashirama, Madara, Guy, Sasuke, Naruto, Obito Vs Nappa

If Nappa is bloodlusted/goes straight for the Scout Salute of Death, then everyone but Madara and maybe Obito is pretty much dead from the word go (the other 2 would follow after).

But if he just goes in mindlessly (certainly possible), then the Naruto team have a decent shot of actually winning the thing.

Can't say for sure atm, need to think about this one.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » tien vs krillen

Round 1: weren't Tien/Yamcha able to solo the likes of Recoome and Jeice after King Kai's training? (That might have been filler though, can't remember)

If this is Krillin immediately after the Guru power-up, I don't see how he can win. If it had been just before the Freiza fight, I'd give him the edge (I remember reading that his PL had risen beyond 50,000 by that point).

Round 2: I know it's been said in multiple cases that Krillin is the strongest human in the verse, but I don't see what's to stop Tien from erasing him with a neo tri-beam barrage. Sure it will leave him exhausted, but he'd still win. An attack that could keep 2nd form Cell at bay would be more than enough, if it came to it.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Pain vs. Ghost Nappa

Anime Pain has the power to defy the animators (see above), I just don't think Ghost Nappa can win this.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Rate The Debaters

@DBZ_universe: Guy was a moron. Kept posting Sonic scans that posted jack's shit and refused to accept when his fave character lost.

@hitsusatsu11: Oh sorry dude, probably a solid 4 (would have to look back over stuff, memory's a little hazy, but thinking 4 atm).

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Strongest DBZ character current Naruto could defeat?

@Low said:

@othus12 said:

@Low said:

@flashback180 said:

@Low:

are you saying madara and bust a planet -_-....

No. I'm saying he is planet level with the Mugen Tsukiyomi and that Human Cocoon Zetsu creating thing. Both Kaguya and Madara are.

that's not planet level. that's planet AoE. im still not buying to have kaguya on the level of ichiryuu. that's just crazy.

Planet level attack, AOE, whatever you wanna call it, the said techniques were planatary. So where did Ichiryuu argument come in this? I did not imply nor mention anyone in Toriko.

Yeah, you need to be careful saying that something is 'planet level'. People will instantly assume you mean planet buster, rather than employing an ability across the range of a planet.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Strongest DBZ character current Naruto could defeat?

@Dream said:

@GIRUGAMESH:

And no, feats>statements. Take Itachi's statement early in the series, for instance. Last time I checked, he stated that both of them would die if they were to face each other (note that he didn't know about his sage mode).

I meant author statements/ comments, not those from the characters. Comments from the author can hold just as much water as onscreen/ on-panel feats, sometimes even more so than onscreen feats, because you actually have input from the title's creator(s) revealing details to a series that wouldn't normally be covered within the title and said input would hold more water in credibility than fan assessments of judging the capabilities of a character. Character statements are more of a case-by-case basis because there are cases where said character is serious when judging actions and abilities of themselves or others and there are other cases where the statements are greatly exaggerated because a character is hyping themselves up. Unless there are contradictions, I'd consider author statements to be higher up in legitimatizing character capabilities, especially in the case of manga, because there are many cases in animated works, comics and other non live-action works where settings are not believably made to scale because realism is the last thing creators have in mind when trying to create anything for the sake of entertainment and very likely didn't think their characters would be used in battle debates such as this.

If it's not too much trouble, could you post the scan/extract for the city statement?

The scan above comes from the seventh Daizenshuu of Dragon Ball that covers geographical information on Earth in the world of the series. Here is a translation for what it covers with East City:

East City

Area: A-4

Special Characteristics: A city located in the eastern part of the world.

Events: Vegeta and Nappa’s spaceships touched down here. Nappa wiped it out. (Daizenshuu 4, p.79)

Fair enough then, I agree with that first part.

However, the scan you've provided isn't enough to dissuade me. Yes, it says that Nappa wiped it out- it doesn't say that the destruction was limited only to East City (which would be a very large city, given that it's one of only five in the world, but nevermind that).

When Kid Buu destroyed the Earth, it could also have been said that his blast wiped out kame house- doesn't mean the destruction was limited to that. As we saw, the explosion, according to the scan, was easily country level. Sorry, but saying that Nappa is limited to city busting remains as absurd as ever.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Rate The Debaters

@ohgodwhy: Nice of you to say, dude, likewise.

5- Newdeath, ohgodwhy, taichokage, Dream (just about)

4- Reikai (on a good day), 321zigzag1, Speedforcespider, Saladking, KingofAsh, 5th

3- DBZ Universe (still a cool guy), Whats_Out_the_bag (sound debating but attitude sucks sometimes), GeneralVan (funny guy, but can't rate any higher than 3)

2- Reikai (on a bad day)

1- 100rings. Guy was responsible for posting page after page of Sonic fangasm.

No offence to anyone not listed, just haven't seen enough of you or can't remember you at this point in time.

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