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Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Madara's PS vs Ultimate Way Big

I thought Way Big's best feat was throwing Vilgax into space?

He's definitely strong enough to damage PS, but what's his durability like?

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » ESPADA vs KONOHA 13

@5th said:

Naruto and Sasuke make a fist bump and kill all of the Espada

This. Barragan will immediately implode himself when he witnesses their Madara beating bro power.

@taichokage said:

Hold on. Rasen Shuriken won't do jack. It'll be via some hax technique that Baraggan is taken out.

Sasuke plants an amaterasu in Barragan, made possible since he's all skull and bones. GG

@Jgames said:

@xBankaiChrisx: take away naruto and sasuke, and most of the espada can solo hard

Only a few of them could solo, the other 11 have come a fair way.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Sasuke Vs Juubito

@taichokage said:

Juubito had the same amount of biju chakra. He also had the Gedo Mazo. Logically he had more chakra than either Saauke or Naruto currently but it seems that Kishi is ignoring this. In fact he didn't seem to run out of stamina like Sasuke: but It would appear that Sasuke is more effective in using said power.

They both have the same level of bijuu chakra, but:

Juubito- also has gudodama + gedo mazo + bijuudamas.

Sasuke- an apparently greater mastery of the sage's powers, PS, full mastery of the rinnegan + teleportation.

It will be a good fight but with the extra boost from the bijuu I think that Sasuke takes it. I agree with you that even Sasuke in this level probably couldn't beat Madara at his best, the idea that he's as strong as the sage is a bit silly.

@nishi99 said:

@taichokage: @CerusSerenade: Juubito was only beat due to Talk no Jutsu.

This.

Juubito was winning until he started succumbing to the unstoppable power of the TNJ, not to mention the final hit from Naruto/Sasuke was only enough to weaken him sufficiently (still took everyone there in the army minus Hashirama to beat him completely).

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » galactus(weakest) vs asura+dark schneider

@Saladking: If I recall, the OP states no tech allowed, just his own might.

And at his weakest? The team take it handily. Galactus at his very worst has had some really poor showings (compared to people on DS's level, anyway).

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Aladdin vs. Jafar (Joke Battle)

@ShinobiX said:

@taichokage said:

Horrible case of mistaken identity. Aladdin won't want to hear any music for a while after this.

But to Jafar, Aladdin is "Second Rate."

Pretty much what I'd expect to see if Mr Mxyzpltk went up against a low tier reality warper.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Naruto vs A Green Nitro

I'll go with the majority on this one and say that Naruto wins after a good fight.

Side note: that final clash between Naruto and Sasuke's best moves was pretty impressive, given that Kakashi/Sakura could feel the shockwaves all the way from their position. I don't know much about Naruto geography, but I would have thought they'd be a good few miles away at least...

(I know that the Valley of the End is on the border of the Fire Country, but not sure where the final battle of the war took place)

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@Zerogodlike said:

@GIRUGAMESH said:

@CosmicKnight75 said:

@akronawol17: Actually she did regrow her arm back from what I recall, and you completely missed my question. Does having a higher amount of power affect Gremmy's ability? I just dont see him doing to Ywach or Hyped up Ichigo what he did to fodder-tier Yachiru and like Quincy's, his ability is reiatsu-based to boot to further my point. Already said why Ying Yang chakra is comparable enough too.

That what I'm saying.

Ywach's power spawned Gremmy's power, therefore someone far more powerful than Ywach won't be affected so easily.

since we have no feats from ywach at all it would be folly to say kaguya is way stronger than her its also just because a being is stronger than someone in DC doesn't mean that hax wont work on them unless they have specific hax resistance.

We saw him take down Yammamoto (minus his bankai), which is the only feat he has really (that and lots of hype). Ywach has shown nothing to put himself above her, until he does then we can say that Kaguya>Ywach.

Every attack that Gremmy threw against Kenpachi would be dealt with without much trouble by Kaguya.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@CosmicKnight75 said:

@akronawol17: Actually she did regrow her arm back from what I recall, and you completely missed my question. Does having a higher amount of power affect Gremmy's ability? I just dont see him doing to Ywach or Hyped up Ichigo what he did to fodder-tier Yachiru and like Quincy's, his ability is reiatsu-based to boot to further my point. Already said why Ying Yang chakra is comparable enough too.

That what I'm saying.

Ywach's power spawned Gremmy's power, therefore someone far more powerful than Ywach won't be affected so easily.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@akronawol17 said:

@CosmicKnight75: the only things he did to him were simple brute-strength attacks for the most part. he could've turned his bones into cookies or made him cease to exist, yet he didn't. hell, he could've made more clones of himself yet he didn't. it was pure PIS/CIS, but with that removed, Kaguya either gets her bones turned to something brittle or turned nonexistant.

and no, he'd lose to Galactus. because he hasn't shown that level of power. but turning some braindead godess's bones into cookies? totally do'able. especially since she can't regenerate. she lost her arm, yet it stayed gone. so much for immortality, a lot of good it did Hidan as well

...Actually she got her arm back, sorry dude. There's a reason that the most uber sealing jutsu in the series is the only way to stop her for good, otherwise Hagoromo and his brother would have killed her straight and none of this would have happened.

As you've accepted, Gremmy could not use his abilities on someone like Galactus. The same applies to the likes of Ywach and Kaguya, just to a far lesser extent.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@taichokage said:

I get it but Kaguya had no business losing either. She was supposed to exceed the Jubii in chakra and capable of performing ANY jutsu at a higher level than anyone else. If that were true, a singe Chibaku tensei would've wiped them all out. She had the same PIS as Gremmy. In my opinion worse as she was the strongest in the entire series and the closest thing to God in the verse.

No, she shouldn't have lost really, it was PIS. Her abilities were lacklustre for someone with her hype.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@taichokage said:

What did Kaguya do that was so great again? Failed Dama and dimension jumping without even having a mind of her own. Very impressive.

They were both terrible characters. Difference is, one had more raw power than anyone else in the respective verse and required two characters (each superior to Ywach) to defeat her.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@akronawol17 said:

Gremmy never tried the cookie bone trick on Kenny due to CIS iirc, and Kaguya is not immune to reality warping. just because she's wanked to high hell doesn't suddenly mean she can overpower a reality-altering attack. Kenny won due to some of the worst PIS and CIS imaginable, that doesn't mean Kaguya suddenly becomes immune to Gremmy's powers. thats like saying "lol, Firelord lost to SpiderMan, that means Venom can beat him easily!!". see what i'm saying? using Gremmy's PIS feats against him doesn't change the fact Kaguya does not have the strength nor the durability to survive her bones being turned to cookies

So Gremmy could turn Galactus into cookies as well, right? Since he apparently has no limits?

The only time he ever turned anyone into cookies was via physical contact. Good luck to him doing that against a dimension hopper. Of course, her regen/immortality means that it wouldn't make a great deal of difference even if she lost her bones.

Even Madara was able to regenerate his whole left side, organs, bones, etc, with no permanent damage to him after that. Kaguya is at a level where even some of the strongest attacks in the Narutoverse can only knock her around/slow her down.

@CosmicKnight75 said:

Wow this is still going, I am gonna ask this, if Gremmy can think up anything, why did he just say to make his body like steal? Why not, my body cant be cut period? Why does he need to make clones to expand the use of his imagination? Obvious limits are obvious.

Or why not rebel against Ywach and solo the verse, since it's not like anything could pose any sort of threat to him?

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@taichokage: Kaguya would be the one sneak killing, it's a viable tactic which she used multiple times during her fight. I don't remember Gremmy being a master of stealth.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@akronawol17 said:

Kenny's monster physical strength and durability is what let him overpower Gremmy's powers. Kaguya has neither. if her bones are turned to cookies she'd either die or at the very least be unable to continue

Hilarious, given that Kaguya (against everything in the Narutoverse) is immortal.

@taichokage: @Zerogodlike: What part of immortality are you all missing here?

@taichokage said:

She was the most powerful, not inherently the most durable. Gremmy's fight was riddled with PIS that nobody wants to acknowledge but the moment Kaguya's consistentl flaws are brought up, it's PIS. I don't agree with you my friend.

Gremmy blowing himself up was CIS. What else about that fight didn't sit right with you?

@Zerogodlike said:

@GIRUGAMESH said:

@CosmicKnight75 said:

Honestly all that arguments made for Gremmy make it sound like he'd solo Bleach. Dude was an idiot with obvious limits to his powers that likely don't apply to someone of greater power much like how a lot of other hax abilities in Bleach are overcome by simply being much stronger (ex. Aizen being immune to Soifons shikai). As much as it surprises me I'd say this, Kaguya stomps.

This, pretty much. Gremmy was clearly shown to have limits to his power, that isn't PIS/CIS.

@taichokage said:

@xlab3000: You can't link to pirated website my friend. And nobody said Gremmy didn't have limitations. My point is is that Cookie bones + vanish = defeated Kaguya. It's simple.

And he didn't do that to Kenpachi why? Simple, Kenpachi was too powerful. Same reason Devil Man can't kill Freiza, same reason Gremmy can't kill Galactus. Limitations and CIS aren't the same thing, his cookie antics evidently don't apply when it comes to people leagues above him.

@xlab3000: You speak the truth.

you would have a point if he used that abilitie against ken which he didn't and his space room almost killed ken as it is Gremmy can preform his hax faster due to fact its instant which means he wins in a non PIS/Cis environment you guys need to learn to let naruto lose and stop wanking up to more than what it is.

Naruto now has several characters who could crush the likes of Ywach. If I find it difficult to believe that a sternritter could beat someone on this level then forgive me, but it isn't wanking.

Gremmy can't transform someone as strong as Ken into a cookie, just as he could turn the whole verse into cookies. Sorry mate, his powers have been clearly shown to be limited. All sternritter powers are spawned from Ywach. Is it so hard to believe that someone far more powerful than Ywach would be beyond them?

Kaguya has no need to keep Gremmy alive. She dimension hops and sneak kills him, end of. Did you see, by the way, how Gremmy grabbed Yachiru to turn her bones into cookies? Interesting, that.

@taichokage said:

Kishi contradicted himself. Kaguya's body was supposed to be the same as Madara's but she spat him out so that wasn't necessarily the case. He made that contradiction so that Madara would die not be sealed I get it but nonetheless he contradicted it. Also Biju dama are Ninjutsu. The sages are highly resistant to and can absorb ninjutsu like Juubito tanking Biju Dama all day but a normal Rasengan imbued with Senjutsu blasted him to the ground. As long as it's not Senjutsu they can tank it. I think they can even absob Senjutsu just not tank it very well. We see this continually. Sasuke cut Madara in half because it was a physical attack. Guy blew away half his body because it was physical. Sakura broke her horn because it was physical. Zetsu impaled Madara because it was physical. Juubito impaled Madara because it was physical. Naruto ripped the arm off because it was physical strength. There is no inconsistency. The sages are very weak to physical damage compared to ninjutsu.

True. However, although Kaguya was affected by physical attacks, she was never permanently damaged by them, nor did any attack that hit her threaten to kill her. If this were not the case, there would have been no need to seal her in the first place.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@CosmicKnight75 said:

Honestly all that arguments made for Gremmy make it sound like he'd solo Bleach. Dude was an idiot with obvious limits to his powers that likely don't apply to someone of greater power much like how a lot of other hax abilities in Bleach are overcome by simply being much stronger (ex. Aizen being immune to Soifons shikai). As much as it surprises me I'd say this, Kaguya stomps.

This, pretty much. Gremmy was clearly shown to have limits to his power, that isn't PIS/CIS.

@taichokage said:

@xlab3000: You can't link to pirated website my friend. And nobody said Gremmy didn't have limitations. My point is is that Cookie bones + vanish = defeated Kaguya. It's simple.

And he didn't do that to Kenpachi why? Simple, Kenpachi was too powerful. Same reason Devil Man can't kill Freiza, same reason Gremmy can't kill Galactus. Limitations and CIS aren't the same thing, his cookie antics evidently don't apply when it comes to people leagues above him.

@xlab3000: You speak the truth.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » PRIME GARP & SENGOKU vs. HASHIRAMA & TOBIRAMA

@ImDictatorBowDown said:

I disagree, Garp and Sengoku in their prime are hyped to be island level in durability and at least mountain level in physical power, add in precog and MHS speeds for both and I'd say they can overwhelm Hashi and Tobirama.

Ofcourse this is all based off of their hype since neither have shown many feats in their prime.

Pretty much this.

By hype? It's going to be a great fight and it could go either way based on statements.

By feats? Hashi alone would be a big challenge, throw in Tobirama and they've got it hands down.

Victory goes to the Senju bros.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Majin Vegeta vs SSJ2 teen Gohan vs Dabura

Vegeta low-mid difficulty, he's not only more powerful but a better, more experienced fighter than Gohan.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Sensui vs Juubito vs Garp

Based on that scan, I want to go with Sensui.

Juubito > Whitebeard/Garp, prime or otherwise. OP remains outclassed when it comes to the top guns.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

With CIS on, he blows himself to bits in terror of her. With it off, he still lacks the feats to put himself anywhere near her. Not being able to take down Kenpachi isn't CIS, that merely shows the limitations of his power.

@taichokage said:

@akronawol17 said:

without PIS/CIS Gremmy could stomp via turning Kaguya's bones to cookies, imagining her not existing, or changing her into something. hell, he could imagine she's sealed in the moon again lol

Agreed. Gremmy is sat on because he sucked as a character. But in total honesty, his ability is the most hax ability in the HST bar none.

I agree, but the level on which he can employ said power is only around Kenpachi level. CIS off he could still do sh*t to, say, a prime Ywach.

Kaguya>>Ywach>>Gremmy. Simple as that.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,237 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Pre Time Skip Kakashi Vs Naruto & Sasuke, Gaara & Neji

@eddz99 said:

Jiraya was only 3 tail level without sage mode.

Base Jiraya >>>> Pre timeskip kakashi.

It was stated and Kakashi agreed that Haku was stronger than Zabuza, since Kakashi and Zabuza were even at that time, Haku should be above Kakashi.

The Haku comment was likely hyperbole, given that Sasuke was his equal in taijutsu from what we saw.

Kakashi should take it, providing they all remain in base form. If transformations/powerups get involved, they'll overwhelm him (Shukaku alone would probably be too much).

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