Its still Naruto,
Lol, classic Low right here.
Tien stomps this, a guy superior to Raditz isn't losing to any version of Naruto below his current form.
Round 1: I see Sasuke having a good shot of winning this.
Round 2: I would give Piccolo the edge. IC, he might underestimate his opponent. But bloodlusted, he's going to be lobbing energy attacks from the get-go. Sasuke wont lose easily, but I would still give Piccolo the majority.
@deadman323: Because of LHWKnight. And no, they aren't ftl.
@LHWKnight: Yes you are lowballing, that or you're grievously overstating the KH characters' capabilities.
'It would be awesome to see a crossover', you say? I find it hard to believe, given your blinding love of Sora and pals, that you would actually enjoy seeing them torn limb from limb and turned to dust.
Also, thanks for admitting that you're basically just wasting time. I think we've had this conversation before: don't support one side of a battle just because you don't want to see them lose, or because 'it would be fun, hur hur'. If they actually had any kind of shot (i.e. if there was actually a cause for debate) then ok, but in bloodbaths this one-sided it just encourages stupidity.
And if you don't care what people think, that's fine, just don't keep flogging the dead horse with things like this.
I've heard high tier Kingdom Hearts characters are large planet level, but I don't know how accurate this is.
Then you've only heard from fanboys or idiots. Most of their fights barely put them on city level, you can forget about planet level.
@Justalittlegirl: Extremely unaccurate. Kingdom Hearts is indeed a powerful verse, but it's nowhere near planetary.
Anyways the only round Sora really has a chance in is 2, but even then he'd probably still lose.
Sweet merciful truth...
PPGs win. They speedbltz Birusu to nothing.
PPGs traveled so fast that they time traveled. That speed feat>>>>>DBZ speed feats.
You've come very late to the party, my friend. That feat has been mentioned and it's effectively been made redundant.
PPGs were also getting the crap beaten out of them by a bunch of angry criminals. That's uber inconsistency for ya. Their best feats are totally undermined by a bunch of others that render them laughable compared to Bills.
@LHWKnight: So you concede, then throw as many unfounded claims as you can in a last-ditch effort to save the sh*tty organisation from the failure bin?
Hate to say it, but your credibility goes skyrocketing out the window as soon as you start claiming that Sora and Riku are near lightspeed. The little kiddies with their cute blades don't come anywhere close, I'm afraid. Also, the term 'world' is extremely subjective. But enough of this, I'm done.
How can you argue that Sora vs Bayonetta is a good match in one case, then think he comes close to Broly's level? It's ridiculous. Getting tired of the DBZ-lowballing sh*t that's recently seemed to have infected this site.
@deadman323: I'm guessing that you mean current Naruto? Usually, when people say sage Naruto, they're referring to the one that fought Pain.
In terms of current Naruto:
- Kenpachi (though he's in the bottom of the country-level barrel, assuming you even accept him as one)
- Gremmy (same category as Kenpachi)
Can't think of anyone else.
Bayonetta slapped a goddess over 90 million miles into the sun
What is there to debate here?
It's hinted that she was only able to do that by tapping into Jeanne's powers as well (note that white hair appears when she summons the Queen of Sheva). I'll clarify that in the OP.
But yeah, they always have that as an option in the 3rd round :P
@GIRUGAMESH: I just said that he wasn't, but I still don't see Broly winning here.
Then put on some glasses because Broly solos them casually
@GIRUGAMESH: First of all I never said you had to did I? I gave you my opinion and you asked for the scans did you not? I already told you what to look for in previous post, it's not that hard to look for four things.
@BloodSprinkles: one on one hell no, but I like to play the numbers game.
Scanning a bunch of videos (that are at least 10 minutes in length) for anything supporting the KH characters in this is like finding the hay in the needlestack.
Broly stomps, as ever.
Fight between the best of the Umbran witches and the KH protagonist. Anime feats are also acceptable.
Round 1: straight fight, in character.
Round 2: both are bloodlusted.
Round 3: Jeanne comes in to help Bayonetta. It is assumed that the Queen of Sheva can only be summoned using both their powers.
Battle takes place in an open field that stretches for miles (nobody is around). They start 100m away from each other.
@LHWKnight: I seriously hope you don't expect me to watch all of those? Give me a reference to key points in them, otherwise don't bother. You've got another thing coming if you think I'm wasting hours just trying to make you realise how one-sided this is.
I did watch the 10 minute final boss fights- they were cute, albeit extremely cheesy. I cannot believe you think Sora could do a thing against Broly, based on those final fights. At this point I'd argue that Bayonetta or Dante could crush him. Kids running around having trouble blocking lightning attacks that aren't even town level...like I said, cute. Those reaction speeds of those giant heartless at the end of that last one were hilarious too.
this is getting silly.
Broly flexes planets burst
This. Time for the lock.
also Sora once add to send a beam of light form the planet to the moon, so that is a good feat.
Not really considering that BoZ Piccolo could do that same thing with a chi blast.
This. Nappa>Sora, sorry brah. Lock incoming.
@GIRUGAMESH: Xemnas could destroy and recreate Worlds once he merged with an incomplete Kingdom hearts for one and Sora and Riku alone was enough to beat him, so obviously they had gotten stronger then when sora fought Sephorath alone.
Monsto flies around in space meaning at the very least FTL. Sora was able to fend of against the cyber star dust dragon and a bunch of nobodies and laser fire that was close to omnidirectional.
Xemnas was able to create world size dimensions.
each member of the organization can open up corridors to darkness and are all (Or most) reality warpers. also they have more numbers than the DBZ team did so I want to support the underdogs.
also Sora once add to send a beam of light form the planet to the moon, so that is a good feat.
'Can create worlds'. Could you post a link to these world size dimensions? It's a little vague, and I'd like to see them for myself. It doesn't matter to Broly, but I was curious anyway.
Also, I could argue that Sora and Riku beating him was simply game mechanics/PIS. Let me explain what I mean with another example:
> Bartz and crew in FF5 spend the game fighting with golems and monsters, right up until shortly before the final battle.
> The final battle is against Neo Exdeath, an entity that can effortlessly erase things and is a threat to all creation.
> Bartz and crew beat Neo Exdeath, not because they are stronger than him, but because he is the final boss and GAME MECHANICS.
'Monsto flies around in space meaning at the very least FTL. Sora was able to fend of against the cyber star dust dragon and a bunch of nobodies and laser fire that was close to omnidirectional.'
1. ...no, no it doesn't. We have space drones that can 'fly in space', and they're nowhere near a tenth of light speed. Actual speed feats please (a link would also be nice, I'd like to see him going around in 'space').
2. ...so what? Omnidirectional laser fire? Ichigo was able to defend against omnidirectional blades when he fought Byakuya. That proves very little. We know that Sora is very skilled, but it means nothing against a galaxy wiping monster like Broly.
'Each member of the organization can open up corridors to darkness and are all (Or most) reality warpers.'
So is Gremmy from Bleach. Throwing the label of 'reality warper' around isn't good enough. Are there actual feats that would give us some idea of their power?
As far as I see, they still don't come anywhere near the LSSJ. This is a mismatch.
@Saladking: Lumbering monsters and even street-level thugs also manage to land hits on them. Even if they could fly FTL, their reaction/fighting speeds are rather lacking.
Oh, just thought of a good one: who remembers the episode when every convict in Townsville escaped and gained the upper hand against the PPGs? If we go by that episode, a few hundred regular criminals >>> the PPGs.
Sorry people, the fact is that their bad feats outweigh their good ones. Bills stomps, lock it up.
@LHWKnight: Oh go on then.
'Sora speed in calculations has been supported to be somewhat as fast than Monstro, who in the game fly around in space and even out place the Gummiship.'
Could you give some details on this? Because the speed that Broly could erase the planet at would, according to my knowledge of KH, makes them look laughable.
While you're looking that up, here are a few things to consider:
- Sora and co couldn't defeat Sephiroth. They held their ground against him, but didn't beat him. Broly, on the other hand, would stomp Sephiroth.
- Sora fights ice titans and giant three-headed dogs. His hits can smash through large metal structures and such. Broly is able to manhandle and bully experienced, planet+ opponents.
I really cannot see how you can expect anyone to believe Sora and pals might win this. If you have legit reasons, great, but otherwise, this seems like putting the Akatsuki against Cell.
@othus12: Well I'm sure Nihilus could manage some kind of mind attack, but he certainly wasn't proficient with mind hax. I don't remember him ever showing anything impressive with it, and I doubt he'd use it against Freiza (it would take someone of greater aptitude with it to be effective here anyway). Nihilus specialised in external, forceful attacks, as well as, of course, his uber life drain abilities.
Point is, it's not happening here. You can't always assume that mind hax is always a good option just because they're a strong force user.
@deadman323: Naga Sadow would give Freiza even less of a fight. He was easily one of the strongest sith sorcerers ever, but all his best feats were accomplished when he was in his meditation sphere (manipulating solar energy, surveying the entire galaxy, spawning armies on random worlds out of nowhere), when he had a deep level of focus. In a straight fight he's much less of a threat.
@Low: Maybe she could have, that way Bills can slaughter her before her sisters arrive.
Breaking through the time barrier? Sweet, reminds me of the several occasions where they were restrained by metal chains. I don't understand how you can hate on DBZ for being inconsistent and then argue for the PPGs, just doesn't make sense to me. I think it boils down to a genuine dislike of the series which permeates your arguments.
That doesn't change the fact that they're super inconsistent.
Plus Beerus is FTL IMO, I don't think running around the world in 2 seconds in faster than light.
Again though the PPG's have planet+ durability and are planet busters at max. Beerus has multi-solar system+ durability and can arguably galaxy bust.
They are incomparable, Beerus wins.
Well not so sure about galaxy busting (hasn't been shown as of yet), but otherwise, your responses are very promising. Not a DBZ lowballer like Low...structures responses properly...I'm sorry not to have come across you before on these forums. Nice to have a change.
I Think The organization and Sora has a chance here. speed wise these guys are epic. everyone here is an OP reality warper, Xemnas has an omnidirectional attack and a super ability that constantly drains the opponent until they are dead.
Xemnas can create a planetary dimension and has a giant cyber stardust dragon.
Xemnas in twilight mode absorbs the incomplete Kingdom hearts, which could in fact destroy, recreate and merge worlds, although he himself never did so because of the fact that he had to use all of his power to try and kill Sora, Riku, Donald, Goofy and King Mickey.
While I can say for sure that Sora and Riku have the potency to be planetary, I know that they aren't DC wise because that isn't exactly how their powers work. Sora speed in calculations has been supported to be somewhat as fast than Monstro, who in the game fly around in space and even out place the Gummiship.
Strength wise for Sora is Olympian from the Disney Hercules movie. he can go blow for blow with Hercules and has beaten him once. Riku is Sora's equal in magical powers.
- Xemnas (The Superior of the In-Between): Controls Sorcerers, uses the attribute of Nothingness and weapons called Ethereal Blades which he himself calls Interdiction. Nobody of Xehanort.
- Xigbar (The Freeshooter): Controls Snipers, uses the attribute of Space and Arrowguns called Sharpshooters. Nobody of Braig.
- Xaldin (The Whirlwind Lancer): Controls Dragoons, uses the attribute of Wind and six Lances called Lindworm. Nobody of Dilan.
- Vexen (The Chilly Academic) uses the attribute of Ice and a Shield called Frozen Pride. Nobody of Even.
- Lexaeus (The Taciturn Stalwart) uses the attribute of Earth and an Axe Sword called Skysplitter. Nobody of Aeleus.
- Zexion (The Cloaked Schemer) uses the attribute of Illusion and a Lexicon called Book of Retribution. Nobody of Ienzo.
- Saïx (The Luna Diviner): Controls Berserkers, uses the attribute of Moon and a Claymore called Lunatic. Nobody of Isa.
- Axel (The Flurry of Dancing Flames): Controls Assassins, uses the attribute of Fire and twin Chakrams called Eternal Flames. Nobody of Lea.
- Demyx (The Melodious Nocturne): Controls Dancers, uses the attribute of Water and a Sitar called Arpeggio. Original persona unknown.
- Luxord (The Gambler of Fate): Controls Gamblers, uses the attribute of Time as well as Cards called Fair Game. Original persona unknown.
- Marluxia (The Graceful Assassin) uses the attribute of Flower and a Scythe called Graceful Dahlia. Original persona unknown.
- Larxene (The Savage Nymph) uses the attribute of Lightning and eight Knives called Foudre. Original persona unknown.
- Roxas (The Key of Destiny): Controls Samurais, uses the attribute of Light and wielded up to three different Keyblades (due to being Sora's Nobody). He initially wielded the Kingdom Key but soon acquired the Oathkeeper and Oblivion, which represent Kairi and Riku, respectively.
- Xion used the attribute of Light and the Kingdom Key. Although she is referred to as the fourteenth member, she is not actually considered to be part of the Organization, and she is not a Nobody. She is an imperfect Replica of Roxas created from Sora's leaked memories of Kairi.
*Takes a deep breath*
No. Sora is not a planetary threat, never was and never will be. Sorry to give a generic answer but:
Broly busts the planet they're on, laughing his ass off as he does it. He never even notices the team he was meant to be 'fighting'.
a lock is in order, methinks.
@othus12: Now that I think about it, when did Nihilus actually use mind rape? My memory's a little hazy on that.
@generator2000: 'Comicvine LOL' is right. People on there know sh*t all about anime/manga. Another hilarious instance was when they were too butthurt to accept that Kakashi would beat Spiderman using kamui, or that Iceman would lose to Goku.
@IndridCold: If that's your opinion, I have to wonder why you were arguing for Nihilus in this thread :S
I guess you must rate Nihilus pretty highly, right? (For the record, I kinda do as well. I'd be happy to call him one of the top 5 sith in the whole extended universe, alongside prime Sidious, Naga Sado and Lord Vitiate. Not sure who the 5th would be).