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" @FLStyle said:The very definition of Mokuton is the ability to combine water and earth to create wood, just like Haku combines water and wind to create ice. He used all three during the Naruto Wind training when he created a waterfall with a bridge. Yamato has also faced faster close-range opponents than himself before in Sasuke. I think Yamato is too smart to be beaten by being attacked head-on.
" @GIRUGAMESH said:Onepiece Character Speed>>Naruto Character Speed Ace is far faster, stronger and more powerful than Yamato, that's how. Just because you have an elemental advantage doesn't ensure you a win. And since when was Yamato a water type anyway? When has he used anything other than a mokuton technique? Even if he is, this battle is like Moltres going up against a squirtle. "
" Curbstomp. I haven't read much of Onepiece, but isn't Ace stronger than Luffy? If that is true, then Ace could trash Yamato, who is inferior to Kakashi. "Ace is a fire user, Yamato is a water user (as well as wood and earth), the fight is in the middle of the sea. How exactly does Ace win? "
" @FLCL1 said:I'll agree with pretty much all of that, Jiraiya for me too.
"tough battle "
No it isn't.
1. Sasuke was able to hold his own against Raikage and then go on to fight 3 kages at once. There is sufficient evidence to believe that Raikage is either slightly weaker than or equal to Sasuke. Given that sage Jiraiya is stronger than Sasuke, Jitaiya wins.
2. Jiraiya is a more intelligent fighter, and has an array of summons. If he brings out gamabunta, it could be massively troublesome for Raikage, especially when he uses combo attacks (i.e. Toad Oil Combo). And what's to stop Jiraiya catching him in his toad mouth jutsu? Raikage is certainly reckless enough to get caught by it.
@willyvereb said:
3. Correct, sage mode doesn't equal God Mode, but anyone who takes it lightly is a fool. Lets consider physical strength; Raikage has proven to be capable of hugely destructive blows, but lets not forget that Jiraiya in his normal state possessed enough strength to cause significant damage to summons. When he turned into sage mode, there was a point where he sent a bull summon flying. I would place their strength at about equal, possibly with sage Jiraiya being slightly stronger. As for speed, this is Raikage's greatest strength; in his normal state, he was able to keep up with Sasuke, thus meaning he had kage level speed. Upon activating his lightning armour, Sasuke's normal sharingan couldn't keep up with him. However, Jiraiya was also shown to have a large speed increase, which is saying a lot given that he too had kage-level speed beforehand. I would place their speeds as either equal or slightly greater in Raikage's favour. However, lets consider sheer power and jutsu; thus far, Raikage's fighting style mirrors that of Tsuande's (attack at high speeds with Hulk strength). But when you consider that Jiraiya has such a wide array of jutsu, plus the likes of odama rasengan (a jutsu that could easily total a summon), plus the fact that he has ma and pa frog with him, and it is clear that in this department Jiraiya owns Raikage. Strength= Equal/ Slightly JiraiyaSpeed= Equal/ Slightly Raikage Jutsu= Jiraiya easily Brains and tactics= Jiraiya (especially with ma and pa) And if all else fails, he can use the toad song. Jiraiya wins this, Raikage is overrated (just because you can lay a few hits on Sasuke doesn't make you uber, a normal Killerbee managed it and he found Kisame a tough opponent). ""Sage mode isn't= God Mode. The Raikage has his lightning armor and he can move probably even faster than the Sage Jiraiya. "
" @FLStyle said:Losing? I remember Dai Kaioshin used one attack and Buff Buu regenerated from it no differently than any other attack. And absorbing someone who wouldn't give you any additional power is crazy talk. No version of Buu ever absorbed anyone just to end a fight." @GIRUGAMESH said:Not really considering South Kaioshin was the STRONGEST Kaioshin and Buff Buu had to absorb Dai Kaioshin because Buff buu was LOSING. When u see it this way, Buff Buu & Kid Buu are indeed the same, except that Kid Buu is more evil. "" Isn't Buff Buu's power equal to that of Kid Buu's? "Kid Buu absorbed Southern Supreme Kai to become Buff Buu, his power-level sky-rocketed. "
" Goku SSJ3 & Ultimate Gohan are very similar in Power Level. Piccolo mistakes Gohan for Goku. Piccolo witnessed Goku SSJ3 from lookout etc. Goku SSJ3 & Ultimate Gohan > Super Buu Gotenks, Due to excellent teamwork. "Piccolo mistook Gohan for Goku because of the clothes he was wearing, not his power level. Piccolo couldn't sense Gohan's power, he was shocked to see Gohan standing face to face with Super Buu when he wasn't a super saiyan. As were Goten and Trunks, who wouldn't have been so desperate to fuse again had they sensed how powerful Gohan was.
" @comicfanforever said:Wrong. Fat Buu's power is the one who's decreased after the original Kid Buu absorbed Dai Kaioshin. When Evil Buu absorbed Fat Buu his power increased when he transformed into Super Buu. When they said his power level was rising they were referring to Buff Buu, who then transformed into Kid Buu, a decrease in power." @MisterShin said:Kid Buu > Super Buu (without Saiyans or Piccolo) Super Buu contains Kaioshin inside him. Kaioshin decreased Super Buu power instead of increasing it. Kid Buu however does not contain Kaioshin inside himself and is therefore, more powerful than Super Buu. Further Proof is that, when Super Buu changes into Kid Buu, they say that Buu's power is rising. "
"South Kaioshin is more Powerful than Kid Buu, the powerfullest unfused Buu. So much more powerful than Kid Buu that he absorbed South Kaioshin.South Kaioshin can read minds, etc like other Kaioshin & kaio. I think he would defeat Ultimate Gohan, he would play mind games, by searching his memories and bringing up sensitive subjects. e.g. like Super Buu (Gotenks) vs Gohan. "Mystic Gohan > Super Buu (Fusion Evil and Fat Buu) > Kid Buu "
" Curbstomp. I haven't read much of Onepiece, but isn't Ace stronger than Luffy? If that is true, then Ace could trash Yamato, who is inferior to Kakashi. "Ace is a fire user, Yamato is a water user (as well as wood and earth), the fight is in the middle of the sea. How exactly does Ace win?
" Isn't Buff Buu's power equal to that of Kid Buu's? "Kid Buu absorbed Southern Supreme Kai to become Buff Buu, his power-level sky-rocketed.
" We dont even know what Buff Buu can do "Everything that Kid buu and the Southern Supreme Kai could do. With that said, I believe he's outclassed by Super Buu (+SS3 Gotenks and Piccolo).
If that's what he meant then he should stop being lazy when typing thread names and Piccolo would beat all three effortlessly." @FLStyle: yeah, but cell is an android besides, he probably was talking about the whole thing ( android, ip cell, semi p cell, perfect cell) "
" Piccolo is a baller true, but they would overwhelm him by their number.. I think that if your throw Pikon into the mix to help Piccolo you'd have a pretty good fight. "
" @rein: ya unless black war was just stronger then normal im giving it to team 1 "Where is this Team 1 stuff coming from, it's a triple threat, not two vs. one.
" @JJOR64 said:This may surprise you but Super Android 13 is no more powerful than 1st stage Imperfect Cell. He's redundant for this fight, So basically it's Pikkon vs. Vegeta and Trunks and Pikkon is much more powerful than their ASS forms.
Why? This battle is not good. Should change the characters? "" @comicfanforever: Just out of curiosity, why do you always make DB battle threads? I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, I would just like to know why. "