FalconC2 (Level 9)

“ A king must live more vivid than any other and be a figure for all to admire! The king is the one who collects the envy of all his heroes and stands as their guide! Therefore, the king is not alone! ”
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Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku Vs. Wonder Woman

@Gsp22 said:

Show me proof Wonder Woman has light speed reaction

If this is to be believed, Diana makes the speed of light look embarrassingly slow. Going from the context, Shattered God summoned pieces of himself from every corner of the universe, and Diana intercepted and deflected them for awhile to thwart SG's resurrection.

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Weakest Character That Can Beat SSJ4 Goku...

@ssjsuperman said:

i think she could.

I second this notion.

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Red Hulk VS Younger Toguro

@SMXLR8 said:

@FalconC2: not really also did you even watch the video all info for the fight is there and no BFR

Rulk punches him in half then. There's still a considerable difference in strength, and Toguro isn't going to survive getting pummeled by the Rulk for very long.

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Red Hulk VS Younger Toguro

Not really, the younger Toguro would get tossed into space or something along those lines. If Rulk doesn't punch him in half first.

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Red Hulk VS Younger Toguro

The Red Hulk or Rulk can hold his own strength-wise, with the Hulk, who's strong enough to bash and lift mountains at his low showings and capable of destroying planets at his stronger showings for starters. Rulk also has powerful energy absorption abilities, and regeneration.

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Harry Dresden vs Emiya Kiritsugu

@Fehafare: With prep, Harry can just hide himself in the Nevernever which is a different dimension. So, fat chance of Kiritsugu reaching or sniping him there. That would probably count as forfeiting the match though.

Can Bob help? I mean, info wise for potions and stuff. If Harry's able to get some of Kiritsugu's blood/hair he could make a voodoo doll to incapacitate and chain down Kiritsugu like he did the loup-garou in Fool Moon, and that thing was bullet proof and could tear through steel like it was tissue paper. The Origin Bullets will be problematic though, they would probably tear through Harry's shield bracelet. Harry could also use his blood for a spell to make a thick sway of fog appear to cloud the terrain. Since Harry has prep, that's something he can probably set up. With the blending potion (makes you unnoticeable whilst at the same time disguising you), Kiritsugu won't even be able to see Harry until it's too late and Dresden's got his blasting rod at the Emiya's back.

EDIT: Harry also has a magnetism spell, which he can use to disarm people if they have a gun. A locator spell won't be hard for Harry to scrounge up either if he has Kiritsugu's name IIRC. There's also the anti-technology field Harry naturally emits, which has been known to jam automatic weapons when he's near them... in other words in a close quarters fight Kiritsugu's more high tech weaponry will probably fail him. It doesn't work on simple guns, like revolvers and such though.

Yeah, that's all just from the first three books and there's ten more with a lot more stuff. The series isn't even finished either and Cold Days is coming up next.

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Elle Ragu vs Current Luffy

@shonen: Actually, Elle doesn't have a lot of good speed feats that I'm aware of and Luffy probably has the advantage speed wise. So, equalizing the speed would be more in Elle's favor than Luffy's. It also depends on which version of Elle you are using. Is it the 1998 anime version of Elle or the manga version?

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Kal-Karrot runs the gauntlet

This should get thread of the month just for the humor factor alone. Anyone else who agrees say "Aye."

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Kal-Karrot runs the gauntlet

This is glorious. You win all of the Internets, sir or madam. Finishing it off with Hercule was the perfect cherry on the metaphorical top. I pictured all of that narrated by Don LaFontaine.

EDIT: If only I was a poet. Then, I could describe this prime example of humor in a proper fashion.

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

So, anyone here who isn't a biased and lying twit that's too stubborn to admit that he's wrong? In other words, is there anyone here who isn't Job?

EDIT: Also, I never said that about Thor. You're just making up stuff.

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

@Job: One, Frieza was using telekinesis and that has nothing to do with his physical strength. Two, I saw the mountains that they were shaking in distance and some rocks and stuff they were blowing away but that's about it. Three, that's still not as impressive when compared to Thor or the Hulk's strength.

EDIT: You are also forgetting to mention that Dr. Strange had stripped Thor of the Odin Force during that fight, greatly weakening him, and that Captain America is an infamous jobber who only survived that long thanks to the power of the plot. You are also missing the next page where Thor fries Captain America's head off with his eye beams.

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

@valfranx said:

@ Job : For those who think that the standard marlvel / dc is the logic that only the best feats is important , this is only one good side, let's talk about the bad side of standard marvel / dc.

-Give freedom to other writers have access to work.

-Increase of inconsistencies by the fact that the work was written by various writers.

-Defragmentation of the Work, where they created several versions of the same character with a new story and new powers.

-Lack of loyalty the characters

That is why I believe that movies, games, dbgt and fillers work best with the standard Marvel / DC than the manga.

It wouldn't make much of a difference either way, since the non-canon material isn't that stronger than the canon material unless you take Broly's galaxy destroying feat seriously, which I don't, because it's out of place with the rest of his feats and we don't even see Broly do it. And, there's the whole fact that he was killed by being blasted into the sun. Though, DBZ seems to be faster than they usually are in the non-canon material. Thor's feats of keeping up with the Silver Surfer, beating Ego in a race, and keeping up with Gladiator still beat them in that area. Heck, some random guy powered up by Mjolnir could keep up with Gladiator and he's a certified Superman clone.

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

@valfranx: Thanks for the info about the Celestials. I was unaware of how powerful they were.

EDIT: Scathan is hilarious. "I do not approve!" Celestials stomp Odin, you're correct. Also, Goku wouldn't be able to even scratch any of them going from what info you've given me about them. Thor managed to punch a hole in Exitar's armor with Mjolnir, but Goku isn't powerful enough to do that.

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

Once again, Job is attacking people with ad hominems instead of addressing the actual debate.

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

I wonder if Job thinks Goku would stand a chance against a Celestial. I would not be surprised, that he would think that.

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

@FalconC2 said:

@valfranx: Pretty sure Odin was fighting 8-10 Celestials there, and that he lost so badly because there were so many of them. I'm not sure how Odin would fair against the average Celestial without the Destroyer-Armor and stuff, but if it's at his top showings (galaxy-to-universal) he should at least be able to put up a fight before he loses. Then again, I'm not sure, I'll admit I don't know much about the Celestials over trying to prove I'm an expert about something after watching a music video like you are.

I read all three issues of the celestials fighting Thor and Odin, unlike Job who merely relies on wikis. Odin got curbstomped even with the 1,000 years of prep, putting all the souls of asgard into the destroyer armor(himself included), and growing to 5,000 feet.

Thor didn't last long either, but the fact that Thor was capable of fighting galaxy busters for a short amount of time is impressive in it of itself.

Next argument.

Thanks for the clarification at least. So, these Celestial guys are pretty hardcore then?

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

@valfranx: Pretty sure Odin was fighting 8-10 Celestials there, and that he lost so badly because there were so many of them. I'm not sure how Odin would fair against the average Celestial without the Destroyer-Armor and stuff, but if it's at his top showings (galaxy-to-universal) he should at least be able to put up a fight before he loses. Then again, I'm not sure, I'll admit I don't know much about the Celestials over trying to prove I'm an expert about something after watching a music video like you are.

@shonen: You want me to mention that one time Goku had trouble with 40 tons, amplified by gravity by a numeral of ten, so techniquely 400 tons, in his base form? That fight in the scan you shared was just another inconsistency, and a low-end example.

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

@valfranx: Twisting people's words are we?

Job was implying that Odin couldn't beat a single one of them, one-on-one, he wasn't using the plural form of Celestial "Celestials" so I don't know where you got that assumption from. That's what I was arguing against. If it's all of them together, or a lot of them, then it's a different story.

You are also using the same old scans/comics from classic Thor that some people (Job, and other misinformed individuals) were badgering me about not using before in the other thread, instead of the current or modern ones.

EDIT: Though, that doesn't really matter since both the classic and current feats are usable. Also, you are correct about the celestials being above skyfathers and Odin. I just didn't take you seriously because I thought you were just grabbing something random out of a music video.

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

His father was creating and destroying galaxies, and standing up to a weakened galactus. Thor got his arm cut off by wolverine, and needed an hour to take out captain america, Hulk wolverine, thing, and a hand full of other people, even with Loki's help. Odin force Thor was a joke.

One, that fight had no time-frame. Two, that fight was riddled with plot induced stupidity (Wolverine's jobber aura is infamous). Three, Dr. Strange had stripped Thor of the Odin Force during that fight and greatly weakened him. And four, you're contradicting yourself. You were saying Odin didn't stand a chance against a Celestial...

And as i already stated he didnt harm anyone. He cracked its armor, and it regenerated instantly. They also threw the odin sword threw ones body. it pulled the sword out, destroyed it, after healing instantly. Odin couldn't even beat a celestial so just stop wasting my time.

...and now you're saying he can hold his own against a hungry Galactus, which is true, but why the sudden change in opinion Job? Is your memory regarding Thor and Odin really that foggy? Which is it?

Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

@CerberusPrime3k: There are lots of feats that contradict it, like the aforementioned Ego VS Thor race from Astonishing Thor that Job keeps misinterpreting. He doesn't have the pages in the right order and he's missing some of them.

This is after he gets shot at by the Stranger, he gets knocked out for a bit, and still manages to wake back up in time and out-race Ego even though it got the lead:

That page where Thor is talking about Ego being in hyperspace is not consistent with the rest, Job just added that in there. Thor's fought and beaten Glory, held his own against planet sized enemies, and has a plethora of exotic abilities with Mjolnir (energy absorption and redirection, soul manipulation, the god blast, transmutation, et cetera). Thor's fought the Silver Surfer and dented his skull inwards with a headbutt in The Mighty Thor 3# (2011), and fought other herald-level beings like Gladiator.

The Mighty Thor 4-5# (Asgard VS Galactus & Silver Surfer):

And the Surfer with his board is FTL by a large margin. Yet, Thor can keep up with him just fine with Mjolnir, even bluffing him at one point, and attacking Galactus. If you want a better look at the scans open them up in a new page.

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