FalconC2 (Level 9)

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Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

So, anyone here who isn't a biased and lying twit that's too stubborn to admit that he's wrong? In other words, is there anyone here who isn't Job?

EDIT: Also, I never said that about Thor. You're just making up stuff.

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

@Job: One, Frieza was using telekinesis and that has nothing to do with his physical strength. Two, I saw the mountains that they were shaking in distance and some rocks and stuff they were blowing away but that's about it. Three, that's still not as impressive when compared to Thor or the Hulk's strength.

EDIT: You are also forgetting to mention that Dr. Strange had stripped Thor of the Odin Force during that fight, greatly weakening him, and that Captain America is an infamous jobber who only survived that long thanks to the power of the plot. You are also missing the next page where Thor fries Captain America's head off with his eye beams.

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

@valfranx said:

@ Job : For those who think that the standard marlvel / dc is the logic that only the best feats is important , this is only one good side, let's talk about the bad side of standard marvel / dc.

-Give freedom to other writers have access to work.

-Increase of inconsistencies by the fact that the work was written by various writers.

-Defragmentation of the Work, where they created several versions of the same character with a new story and new powers.

-Lack of loyalty the characters

That is why I believe that movies, games, dbgt and fillers work best with the standard Marvel / DC than the manga.

It wouldn't make much of a difference either way, since the non-canon material isn't that stronger than the canon material unless you take Broly's galaxy destroying feat seriously, which I don't, because it's out of place with the rest of his feats and we don't even see Broly do it. And, there's the whole fact that he was killed by being blasted into the sun. Though, DBZ seems to be faster than they usually are in the non-canon material. Thor's feats of keeping up with the Silver Surfer, beating Ego in a race, and keeping up with Gladiator still beat them in that area. Heck, some random guy powered up by Mjolnir could keep up with Gladiator and he's a certified Superman clone.

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

@valfranx: Thanks for the info about the Celestials. I was unaware of how powerful they were.

EDIT: Scathan is hilarious. "I do not approve!" Celestials stomp Odin, you're correct. Also, Goku wouldn't be able to even scratch any of them going from what info you've given me about them. Thor managed to punch a hole in Exitar's armor with Mjolnir, but Goku isn't powerful enough to do that.

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

Once again, Job is attacking people with ad hominems instead of addressing the actual debate.

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

I wonder if Job thinks Goku would stand a chance against a Celestial. I would not be surprised, that he would think that.

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

@FalconC2 said:

@valfranx: Pretty sure Odin was fighting 8-10 Celestials there, and that he lost so badly because there were so many of them. I'm not sure how Odin would fair against the average Celestial without the Destroyer-Armor and stuff, but if it's at his top showings (galaxy-to-universal) he should at least be able to put up a fight before he loses. Then again, I'm not sure, I'll admit I don't know much about the Celestials over trying to prove I'm an expert about something after watching a music video like you are.

I read all three issues of the celestials fighting Thor and Odin, unlike Job who merely relies on wikis. Odin got curbstomped even with the 1,000 years of prep, putting all the souls of asgard into the destroyer armor(himself included), and growing to 5,000 feet.

Thor didn't last long either, but the fact that Thor was capable of fighting galaxy busters for a short amount of time is impressive in it of itself.

Next argument.

Thanks for the clarification at least. So, these Celestial guys are pretty hardcore then?

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

@valfranx: Pretty sure Odin was fighting 8-10 Celestials there, and that he lost so badly because there were so many of them. I'm not sure how Odin would fair against the average Celestial without the Destroyer-Armor and stuff, but if it's at his top showings (galaxy-to-universal) he should at least be able to put up a fight before he loses. Then again, I'm not sure, I'll admit I don't know much about the Celestials over trying to prove I'm an expert about something after watching a music video like you are.

@shonen: You want me to mention that one time Goku had trouble with 40 tons, amplified by gravity by a numeral of ten, so techniquely 400 tons, in his base form? That fight in the scan you shared was just another inconsistency, and a low-end example.

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

@valfranx: Twisting people's words are we?

Job was implying that Odin couldn't beat a single one of them, one-on-one, he wasn't using the plural form of Celestial "Celestials" so I don't know where you got that assumption from. That's what I was arguing against. If it's all of them together, or a lot of them, then it's a different story.

You are also using the same old scans/comics from classic Thor that some people (Job, and other misinformed individuals) were badgering me about not using before in the other thread, instead of the current or modern ones.

EDIT: Though, that doesn't really matter since both the classic and current feats are usable. Also, you are correct about the celestials being above skyfathers and Odin. I just didn't take you seriously because I thought you were just grabbing something random out of a music video.

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

His father was creating and destroying galaxies, and standing up to a weakened galactus. Thor got his arm cut off by wolverine, and needed an hour to take out captain america, Hulk wolverine, thing, and a hand full of other people, even with Loki's help. Odin force Thor was a joke.

One, that fight had no time-frame. Two, that fight was riddled with plot induced stupidity (Wolverine's jobber aura is infamous). Three, Dr. Strange had stripped Thor of the Odin Force during that fight and greatly weakened him. And four, you're contradicting yourself. You were saying Odin didn't stand a chance against a Celestial...

And as i already stated he didnt harm anyone. He cracked its armor, and it regenerated instantly. They also threw the odin sword threw ones body. it pulled the sword out, destroyed it, after healing instantly. Odin couldn't even beat a celestial so just stop wasting my time.

...and now you're saying he can hold his own against a hungry Galactus, which is true, but why the sudden change in opinion Job? Is your memory regarding Thor and Odin really that foggy? Which is it?

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

@CerberusPrime3k: There are lots of feats that contradict it, like the aforementioned Ego VS Thor race from Astonishing Thor that Job keeps misinterpreting. He doesn't have the pages in the right order and he's missing some of them.

This is after he gets shot at by the Stranger, he gets knocked out for a bit, and still manages to wake back up in time and out-race Ego even though it got the lead:

That page where Thor is talking about Ego being in hyperspace is not consistent with the rest, Job just added that in there. Thor's fought and beaten Glory, held his own against planet sized enemies, and has a plethora of exotic abilities with Mjolnir (energy absorption and redirection, soul manipulation, the god blast, transmutation, et cetera). Thor's fought the Silver Surfer and dented his skull inwards with a headbutt in The Mighty Thor 3# (2011), and fought other herald-level beings like Gladiator.

The Mighty Thor 4-5# (Asgard VS Galactus & Silver Surfer):

And the Surfer with his board is FTL by a large margin. Yet, Thor can keep up with him just fine with Mjolnir, even bluffing him at one point, and attacking Galactus. If you want a better look at the scans open them up in a new page.

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

@CerberusPrime3k said:

@Job: http://marvel.com/universe/Thor

Here's Thor ratings it gives him a 6 and that implies that he is Speed o Light

I'm not complaining about the new one haha I posted the old one not some fake

It's BS. Marvel official statistics aren't trustworthy.

Mikaboshi, all 1s in every stat, and it assimilated 98% of the multi-verse and manhandled Zeus. Yet, it is ranked as weaker than Captain America and the Punisher. You tell me, is that trustworthy?

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Link vs Harry Dresden

@deathmonger: How strong does the Winter Knight upgrade make Dresden? I'm new to the series, and just finished Storm Front, and I am almost done with Fool Moon. Anything of note? I know he packs enough magic power to send a loup-garou flying through a police station, across the street in front of it, and into another building. He has the Third-Eye as well, and doesn't that provide him with some measure of prescience/clairvoyance?

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

@Job said:

@DBZ_universe said:

@Job: He has gone faster than Mach 32... as other users above already proofed it...

but in fighting skills Goku is superior than Thor....

He hasnt.

Other users proved they dont know the context of their own scans or as to wtf theyre talking about.

@FalconC2: i didnt read a single word of your of what you had to say. And this is the last thing i have to say to you in this thread.

Your butt-hurt is showing Job.

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku vs Thor

@Job said:

@leofull99: You're right, me of all people knows nothing about hyperspace. /sarcasm Hyperspace is achieved by opening a portal to another dimension . Hyperspace is completely useless in a fight. And i dont get my information from wikis you twit. Unlike you who copy pasted an entire wiki entry in his Op. The scan is from marvels official comic . Thor is mach 32 flight speed. Now dont waste your last post today saying something wrong again.

Coming from you, that is most likely a misinterpretation or a straw-man. That scan also ranked Thor a seven in terms of speed on the power grid, in other words FTL or instantaneous, even though it said he could fly at mach thirty two--contradicting itself.

Marvel has a track record with wonky power-leveling so it's best to go by feats, rather than with inconsistent profile pages. Thor can out-fly Ego and cross an entire solar system in a few moments. At the very least, Thor would need extreme FTL reactions/reflexes for him to be able to fly at those speeds effectively, if not outright FTL movement speed, which Thor most likely has with Mjolnir. That hammer also has a plethora of exotic abilities to go with it. Thor does not need the Odin Force to win this fight.

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Ippo Makunochi Vs Kenichi Shirahama

@ohgodwhy said:

@CallmeBrent: Do they? I'm not particularly familiar with Ippo but I thought they were just World Class Fighters. Are you sure the Super Sayain effects weren't just effects to make them look flashy.

Most of the upper tier guys in HSD are capable of taking on entire armies on their own. Kenichi's no where near that but it still goes to show just superhuman some of the characters in HSD are.

Ippo is superhuman, and other fighters like Mamoru can beat up bears with their bare hands. No pun intended. Hajime no Ippo characters are not as physically impressive as HSD characters though. They haven't casually dodged bullets like master-class fighters are prone to doing, or thrown/cut up tanks and other large objects/vehicles, and destroyed buildings and towers with their strength.

Kenichi himself was able to survive a fight with a master-class fighter, even managing to block one of his blows. I'd give this to him.

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Roberta (Black Lagoon) vs Jeremiah Gottwald (Code Geass)

How durable was Gottwald? Cause Roberta has a lot of guns, and explosives. If Roberta was farther away she could snipe him. If Gottwald is able to tank that artillery he could close in for some CQC. Not sure how that would turn out.

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Roberta (Black Lagoon) vs Jeremiah Gottwald (Code Geass)

Alright then, what about Gottwald? I know he can beat Sayoko, and has sword blades attached to his arms. I also remember Sayoko's throwing knives being pretty useless against him.

If Roberta has all the artillery she had in the la muerta arc she can probably just toss a grenade in his face or something.

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Roberta (Black Lagoon) vs Jeremiah Gottwald (Code Geass)

Not even Roberta? Well, that's all I got cause it's been a while since I read Black Lagoon and I'm not sure either.

Does Gottwald have anything to compare?

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Roberta (Black Lagoon) vs Jeremiah Gottwald (Code Geass)

It was a bowie knife that she shattered in her teeth, now that I remember. She also broke Sawyer's chainsaw with her bare hands.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure the top-tiers of Black Lagoon are bullet-timers, in that they can dodge bullets.

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