FalconC2 (Level 9)

@ReiKai said:

I'm just saying even 21st Budokai were strong, and while Spider-Man has great reflexes, Krillin is a trained fighter. And Spidey tagging speedsters is, most of the time, due to major PIS. Like the Firelord incident. Tagging Quicksilver early on isn't a big deal. He used to only be able to run like 160mph or so. I'm also going to note that Spidey has been tossed around by his own webbing. Trying to grab people with it, then then just yoink him in and slam'im. It's happened.

The Firelord fight was PIS, but that was more because he was a herald with the power cosmic. Spiderman has also caught bullets, and easily dodges machine gun fire on a daily basis; that should give him some points speed wise. Also, Krillin is not strong enough at this point to just tug on the webbing and overpower Spidey. That moment where Spidey held up the entire column of the Bugle is much more than just twenty tons. He's also lifted trains, buses, tossed around tanks, and decapitates sentinelsas if they're made of cheap cardboard.

@Gsp22: Well, let's see, since Shattered God was referring to the corners of the universe or the edges of the universe, then I'm guessing those pieces crossed the distance of the observable universe which consists of hundreds of billions of galaxies to reach Trevor (it might be even larger than that). And since there is no center to the universe, they had to cross that distance. Since it seems to happen fairly quickly, I'm guessing that they were moving really fast. I'm talking about quadrillions of times the speed of light. That's low-balling it and assuming that the time-frame of the feat in those 2-3 pages took hours or something, which it probably didn't. Just intercepting and blocking one of those would make Diana ridiculously fast, she intercepted and blocked a whole bunch of them.

It's a bit out there, because if that was true she would be blitzing Superman all the time. Whilst, IIRC, Diana is officially accepted as having superior combat reactions to Clark but it's not by that much. She also has that Zoom feat, that seems more solid to me. Diana is definitely FTL by a large margin, at least; not sure where she is on the scale exactly. It's more than enough to blitz Goku though.

I...am not sure how that's relevant. I am assuming they were fairly large tugboats?

Anyway, considering this is just 21st Budokai Krillin. Spidey most likely wins by either incapacitating Krillin with his webbing or beating him in CQC. It's not like Spiderman hasn't fought and tagged speedsters before.

@nickzambuto said:

@FalconC2 said:

@nickzambuto: Yeah, but if I remember correctly that rock feat of Krillin's was before the 21st tournament. In the 22nd, he's considerably stronger and faster than he was then. Still, you have a point and Spiderman does have his spider-sense. That would help against Krillin's speed. I forget though, did Krillin have any powerful ki attacks in the 22nd tournament?

Would you believe me if I said "22 World Martial Arts Tournament" was a typo? LOL I meant to put 21... I figured they would have a good fight at that power level. Editting OP now.

I see. Then Spiderman wins.

Spiderman is also a bullet-timer, and has some measure of superhuman speed. That coupled with his spider-sense and his strength would give him the edge. Spidey's webbing is also strong enough to hold guys stronger than he is down with ease.

@nickzambuto: Yeah, but if I remember correctly that rock feat of Krillin's was before the 21st tournament. In the 22nd, he's considerably stronger and faster than he was then. Still, you have a point and Spiderman does have his spider-sense. That would help against Krillin's speed. I forget though, did Krillin have any powerful ki attacks in the 22nd tournament?

It says nothing, other than the fact that you didn't even read what I just posted. How exactly does exactly does it trump Diana's feat of intercepting and deflecting a bunch pieces of a god that were zooming towards Trevor from the corners of the very universe in just two pages?

@Gsp22 said:

Show me proof Wonder Woman has light speed reaction

If this is to be believed, Diana makes the speed of light look embarrassingly slow. Going from the context, Shattered God summoned pieces of himself from every corner of the universe, and Diana intercepted and deflected them for awhile to thwart SG's resurrection.

@ssjsuperman said:

i think she could.

I second this notion.

@SMXLR8 said:

@FalconC2: not really also did you even watch the video all info for the fight is there and no BFR

Rulk punches him in half then. There's still a considerable difference in strength, and Toguro isn't going to survive getting pummeled by the Rulk for very long.

Not really, the younger Toguro would get tossed into space or something along those lines. If Rulk doesn't punch him in half first.

The Red Hulk or Rulk can hold his own strength-wise, with the Hulk, who's strong enough to bash and lift mountains at his low showings and capable of destroying planets at his stronger showings for starters. Rulk also has powerful energy absorption abilities, and regeneration.

@Fehafare: With prep, Harry can just hide himself in the Nevernever which is a different dimension. So, fat chance of Kiritsugu reaching or sniping him there. That would probably count as forfeiting the match though.

Can Bob help? I mean, info wise for potions and stuff. If Harry's able to get some of Kiritsugu's blood/hair he could make a voodoo doll to incapacitate and chain down Kiritsugu like he did the loup-garou in Fool Moon, and that thing was bullet proof and could tear through steel like it was tissue paper. The Origin Bullets will be problematic though, they would probably tear through Harry's shield bracelet. Harry could also use his blood for a spell to make a thick sway of fog appear to cloud the terrain. Since Harry has prep, that's something he can probably set up. With the blending potion (makes you unnoticeable whilst at the same time disguising you), Kiritsugu won't even be able to see Harry until it's too late and Dresden's got his blasting rod at the Emiya's back.

EDIT: Harry also has a magnetism spell, which he can use to disarm people if they have a gun. A locator spell won't be hard for Harry to scrounge up either if he has Kiritsugu's name IIRC. There's also the anti-technology field Harry naturally emits, which has been known to jam automatic weapons when he's near them... in other words in a close quarters fight Kiritsugu's more high tech weaponry will probably fail him. It doesn't work on simple guns, like revolvers and such though.

Yeah, that's all just from the first three books and there's ten more with a lot more stuff. The series isn't even finished either and Cold Days is coming up next.

@shonen: Actually, Elle doesn't have a lot of good speed feats that I'm aware of and Luffy probably has the advantage speed wise. So, equalizing the speed would be more in Elle's favor than Luffy's. It also depends on which version of Elle you are using. Is it the 1998 anime version of Elle or the manga version?

This should get thread of the month just for the humor factor alone. Anyone else who agrees say "Aye."

This is glorious. You win all of the Internets, sir or madam. Finishing it off with Hercule was the perfect cherry on the metaphorical top. I pictured all of that narrated by Don LaFontaine.

EDIT: If only I was a poet. Then, I could describe this prime example of humor in a proper fashion.

So, anyone here who isn't a biased and lying twit that's too stubborn to admit that he's wrong? In other words, is there anyone here who isn't Job?

EDIT: Also, I never said that about Thor. You're just making up stuff.

@Job: One, Frieza was using telekinesis and that has nothing to do with his physical strength. Two, I saw the mountains that they were shaking in distance and some rocks and stuff they were blowing away but that's about it. Three, that's still not as impressive when compared to Thor or the Hulk's strength.

EDIT: You are also forgetting to mention that Dr. Strange had stripped Thor of the Odin Force during that fight, greatly weakening him, and that Captain America is an infamous jobber who only survived that long thanks to the power of the plot. You are also missing the next page where Thor fries Captain America's head off with his eye beams.

@valfranx said:

@ Job : For those who think that the standard marlvel / dc is the logic that only the best feats is important , this is only one good side, let's talk about the bad side of standard marvel / dc.

-Give freedom to other writers have access to work.

-Increase of inconsistencies by the fact that the work was written by various writers.

-Defragmentation of the Work, where they created several versions of the same character with a new story and new powers.

-Lack of loyalty the characters

That is why I believe that movies, games, dbgt and fillers work best with the standard Marvel / DC than the manga.

It wouldn't make much of a difference either way, since the non-canon material isn't that stronger than the canon material unless you take Broly's galaxy destroying feat seriously, which I don't, because it's out of place with the rest of his feats and we don't even see Broly do it. And, there's the whole fact that he was killed by being blasted into the sun. Though, DBZ seems to be faster than they usually are in the non-canon material. Thor's feats of keeping up with the Silver Surfer, beating Ego in a race, and keeping up with Gladiator still beat them in that area. Heck, some random guy powered up by Mjolnir could keep up with Gladiator and he's a certified Superman clone.

@valfranx: Thanks for the info about the Celestials. I was unaware of how powerful they were.

EDIT: Scathan is hilarious. "I do not approve!" Celestials stomp Odin, you're correct. Also, Goku wouldn't be able to even scratch any of them going from what info you've given me about them. Thor managed to punch a hole in Exitar's armor with Mjolnir, but Goku isn't powerful enough to do that.

Once again, Job is attacking people with ad hominems instead of addressing the actual debate.