Nobody messes with bruce lee
I say Lich wins all here. He's just overly hax. Even Wishmaker Prismo couldn't destroy him, and Prismo can do anything....literally.
Yep, even an omnipotent being can't react to his speed.
@eddz99: Can you tell me a little about the plot - just shortcut, i'm just curious to know his defeats.
He was beaten by pure plot devices, like a coat made out of love, finn resisting mind controlled while the others was fully mind controlled.
"No I mean like taking a building and throwing it, now that's super human :P" Too much dragonball dude xD
"Not really, it just means most of the people the Lich met were really stupid and weak willed, and even Jake has a weaker will than Finn does" This has no proof, most of the criminals commited their crimes because of their will to commit crimes. It is obviously plot device bro. Even billy who was a greater hero than finn was controlled and ended up dead. Finn also easily gave up on flame princess, i doubt he has that strong of a will
"He can't make himself indestructible, he's been easily hurt and bruised even as a weapon or armor" That's like naruto throwing 40000000 tons episode, he was obviously not hurt by the impact of the crystal.
"Prismo was speaking in general about the evil criminals locked up there. For all you know it was just an evil criminal who made the ship that destroyed the planet since you obviously dont see it later on" Well my point still stands, even if someone made it, the one who made it wasn't stated to be the strongest criminals, therefore there are criminals that can destroy that ship.
"His dad was a regular human, hell he even needed Finn to save him after getting his leg blasted. The only reason he tricked Finn was because the boy was too busy trying to get him to accept him as a son." He lost his memories, how would he end up in the crystal citadel in the first place? You need to do a cosmic crime to go in there. And even The Lich, finn and jake did it illegally because prismo showed his weakness, what more would it take to do it legally?
"I don't trust wiki's, and it didn't show him getting blasted in the episode" There's nothing wrong in the wiki, there's no bs like the obd, i am too lazy to review the episode again, so let's say he didn't, there's still no indications that he is not immortal.
@eddz99: You can't really say its a gag, Finn doesnt do anything super human at all really, I'd like to see something that proves he is much better than jake. He even got his butt handed to him by the gum drop robot
That's because Finn's resisted his power, and so it goes to show that he's somewhat different than others
That only applies to magic objects, Jake as a weapon doesn't have any magical element that puts him anywhere above regular objects.
It wasn't in the prison fighting during the scene, which means it was most likely the ship of someone who made it.
He wasn't hit by the lasers, they were focusing on all the other monsters.
Look, this fight is kind of going in circles, but I'm telling you he has human durability and can be defeated by any mid to high tier HST person with a strong will a good sense of himself.
"Finn doesnt do anything super human at all really," You mean like jumping from a building? D:
"That's because Finn's resisted his power, and so it goes to show that he's somewhat different than others" Proves my whole point
"That only applies to magic objects, Jake as a weapon doesn't have any magical element that puts him anywhere above regular objects." Except that he can make himself harder
"It wasn't in the prison fighting during the scene, which means it was most likely the ship of someone who made it." Prismo clearly states that he was one of the "Demons"
"He wasn't hit by the lasers, they were focusing on all the other monsters." It was shown in the wiki that it barely affects him.
"Look, this fight is kind of going in circles, but I'm telling you he has human durability and can be defeated by any mid to high tier HST person with a strong will a good sense of himself." Like i said, it's obviously plot device, nobody else was shown to resist him, jake has strong will, and what makes you say that the criminals has a weak will? It could be that finn's father is actually a powerful overlord or he is just good at nagging, he even tricked finn who was "strong willed ".
@flashback180: Does it matter? He is immortal + Has resistance to hax + Can take control of beings, transfer his body to beings + Can control beings even without transferring his body.
He is a pure example of hax, only that finn made him look weak due to plot device.
@eddz99: Uh Finn gets his butt kicked by Jake all the time, and in an older episode when Lich was at full power Finn broke his mind control, and mental wise Aizen>>>>>>>>>> Finn :P And while the criminals did get mind controlled, they were all very weak willed. For one once the Lich was stopped they started to listen to Finn's dad who is not impressive at all. He literally just had to walk up to them and say 'hey, I'm in charge' which means that they were all weak minded and didnt really care who was in charge. And sure, Jake can make himself harder than a regular mace, but it was still Finn swinging him at human strength. That one ship could destroy a planet, sure, but other than that it was just a machine with no guidance of its own. All Aizen has to do is slash the Lich once and it's over. The Lich's power cant affect Aizen who is far more intelligent and strong willed than Finn, I just dont buy it.
Who knows? We don't even know Martin's background yet, for all we know he may be the cause of all evil thus the prisoners listening to him.
That's a gag, The lich only acknowledged finn to be strong, he didn't acknowledge jake.
That feat was obviously plot device bro, but calling it plot device makes me sound shitty so i'll just say finn has a strong will, unlike aizen which submitted to be imprisoned easily after his defeat.
"Finn swinging him with human strength" Like i said, finn is nowhere near our human level :3, and it's a magical mace, the excalibur was stated to cut anything even if arthur only had human strength.
That was one of the demons or criminals, you can't exactly call it a ship because it was also imprisoned according to prismo.
Slash lich? Isn't lich proven to be immortal now since the white lasers which was stated to destroy anything doesn't even affect him?
@eddz99: Sorry bro, the Lich got beat by a human and if we're using current state of things, he's a baby. Even at his strongest all he did was just make it so he could escape. Fin literally broke the prison crystal by smashing it. And a human was also able to break free of his control (Finn of course) trust me, this fight isn't as close as you think. the guardians got their butts kicked easily. I watched that episode, and he wasn't impressive at all really.
Finn > Jake ( A magical dog which is far stronger than an ordinary human ). What makes you think finn is even near the level of a normal human, his dad is one of the most dangerous criminals ever.
He only broke free of his control because the white stuff was lich's weakness, hell even the most dangerous criminals got controlled.
The point is, he burnt the crystal while he was crystalized, meaning his mind was not stopped, he won't be affected by aizen's hax, also the crystal that finn smashed was already burnt by lich's *Amaterasu lolol*, and it was jake, a magical dog, which should be stronger than a normal mace + what makes you think that the crystal citadel, the holder of the most dangerous criminals in the multiverse can get destroyed that easily?
Like i said, that was the most dangerous criminals in the multiverse, and it was like 100 vs. 4, more than 20 of them got wiped out, and one of them is capable of extreme hax or busting a planet. Therefore one guardian = atleast 5 planet busters.
Citadel Guardians have the ability to manipulate the Multiverse and create voids ( Reality warper ), much like a void caster, to find criminals. They can immobilize criminals in frozen crystal, and transport them to the Citadel. The Guardians' lasers have the ability to destroy life. Their blood has special regenerative properties that include prevention of aging and healing wounds, powerful enough to completely regenerate the Lich's body. Their abilities are easily overpowered by the Lich ( Lich's control must have powered up the prisoners ), who's plague wipes them all out.
Multiversal threat, because even the multiversal prison, the crystal citadel which was stated to be impossible ( now nearly because of him ) to escape, was destroyed by him.
He freed ( and controlled ) the most wanted criminals of the multiverse which most of them had pure hax and one of them was shown to bust a planet with no effort.
He also beat the guardians of the multiverse which was considered the most powerful guardians.
@Dream: They were having a hard time hitting the champion of infermon, i doubt one of them will not have a hard time, or would actually win in a one on one battle with infermon + an addition info, they are the main characters. I doubt The mega ( the one that looks like pinnochio ) is weaker than infermon, that guy got 1 hit by metalgaruru.
Mega > Ultimate
Ultimate > Champion
Champion > Rookie