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Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gildarts vs Pain (Paths)

@othus12 said:

@eddz99: acnologia could easily kill pein too.

Nope, acnologia has no way to counter shinrai tensei

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Battles » Namek Saga SSJ Goku Vs Sunny

@othus12 said:

@eddz99: goku only takes this because of his speed. if speed were equalized sani would win. something that can eat a million planets is too much for goku

Except that a planet buster > 100x a planet eater because they are 2 very different things, if goku fires a kamehameha directly onto sunny's face, sunny wouldn't be able to EAT it.

Show sunny eating a million planets pls, i had no idea that toriko was getting this far :3

EDIT:

Hand to hand? Even if sunny can use his hair, goku's punches enchanced with ki should also have an attack potency of large multi planet since they have showed that they can enchance it with ki, ssj goku still wins even if h2h ( sunny can use his hair bleh, we don't even know what his hair can tank, for all we know goku makes his hand sharper than trunk's sword with ki ) and even with speed equalized, but sunny has a better chance ( 20% at best ) though if this was speed equalized.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gildarts vs Pain (Paths)

@ImDictatorBowDown said:

Does Gildarts have any feats that put him up there with Pein? I only recall his fight with Bluenote

Yep, being stronger than laxus who could use fairy law and cana who could use fairy glitter.

@othus12 said:

can gildarts even cast one of the 3 great fairy magics? i just dont remember. if he can then he does have a shot.

Maybe, he wasn't shown serious after all.

For this battle i say pain takes this easily since gildarts was 1-shotted by a small island buster ( so far )

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Aizen vs Hashirama

@supernova7005 said:

@Dream:

If it were on the destructive scope of destroying a large mountain, than the aftershock of the blast would have caused a good amount of collateral damage to Karakura Town and possibly even made the residents of the town launch back.

Shockwaves are a trope. DBZ characters don't create shockwaves with their blasts, does it mean they are weaker than Ichigo and Aizen?

Not to mention, Ichigo dragged him far far out of KT so that no one gets hurt.

And there's no way to tell exactly how deep the crater is from the shot in the manga thus radius is the best way to go, so don't amuse me with your biased theories.

OBD calculated the crater-depth to be roughly 1/3rd of the blast diameter.

What biased theories? Stop accusing others of being biased. I maybe a fan of Bleach, but all I'm doing is going by facts (I've even accepted that Aizen loses this lol)

You have enough nerve claiming that the crater is kilometers deep when you were claiming pixel-scaling couldn't be believably applied to a manga or anime.

Consider pixel scaling is valid: Aizen's crater becomes giant mountain sized

Don't use pixel-scaling: The mountain that Ichigo destroyed becomes a mountain since thats what is stated in the manga.

Either way its mountain level+

Don't give me that crap. Earlier panels in the chapter and the prior one showed they were fairly close to the plateau range they would level parts of from their first exchange, indicating they were at least tens to hundreds of yards away from them.

Show the scans. Prove that the mountain/hill is only a few meters away from them.

Non-canon, my ass. The anime was closely adapting the events of Aizen and Ichigo's final battle with the series providing better animated shots and angles of the different highlights from the battle which the manga only vaguely implied or never had a good position with in frame.

The anime was not made by Kubo, aka non canon. That's like using filler arcs to look for their feats.

Flawed rant on attack potency and destructive capacity.

I've been debating for several years now, Aamir. Don't think I'm stupid. And I know there are others here who would agree with me that you are exaggerating greatly on the capabilities of Bleach. -_-*

So you have no counter for the facts I posted about attack potency? K.

keep ignoring facts.

Aizen's getting creamed, rather easily.

I never said Aizen wins.

This AnimeVice is the first forum I've been on, where people seriously believe Final form Ichigo/Aizen are only small city/mountain level....nothing surprising, since half the people here believe things like Zoro can beat Cloud lol.

Plenty of opinions for that last statement you made.

1. Because the other forums are shitty.

2. Because animevice is shitty.

3. You can't explain or answer the questions of who you are debating well so they really won't understand where you're going.

4. You or they are stuck to what they believe in

and

5. I do not believe that final form ichigo is only small city level, i see him more of a tokyo level, you are still wrong about that country part ( not sure if you mentioned that final form ichigo is country level but.. oh well ) though since ulquio's fragor feat scan sucked.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Namek Saga SSJ Goku Vs Sunny

@Ikki_Minami_ said:

@eddz99: Sorry for leaving you hanging last time I got really tired, anyway Sani is just multi planetary level and more so if he was on the Dragon Ball Z world, considering one hair strained can destroy the world which again is Saturn to Jupiter size not small planetary.

@waybig1010101: No it's one hair strained that can destroy there Earth which is Saturn to Jupiter sized so imagine millions of those hairs hitting Goku. You get what I'm getting at.

Please show scans, toriko is getting a bit too fast in increasing it's power O.o

But even so, if you read my previous post ( This shit V )

Frieza at that time survived the explosion of the planet when he was half dead , still doesn't make goku have a multi planetary level + durability at ssj? Then piccolo at 200 busted a moon, piccolo at 200's moon buster attack cannot harm nappa at 7000, nappa at 7000's beam is obviously atleast 10x more powerful than piccolo at 200's moon busting attack but it still can't obviously harm vegeta that much at 18,000 which was claimed to be already planet buster ( this claim is believable since piccolo at 200 busted a moon , so did roshi ) see where i'm going?, goku is at 150,000,000 PL piccolo was at 200 when he busted a moon and vegeta was at 18,000 when he claimed he can bust the earth with one attack. Also dbz characters were shown to enchance their defenses and attack potencies ( which means if they put ki into their punches it can have an attack potency as their beams ).

Sunny still won't harm ssj goku since frieza half dead tanked a planet explosion , they were shown to enchance their defenses with ki, ssj goku should also be atleast multi large planet buster at this level, wait 2 more months or so then we have a fight ( use zebra at that time ). As for this thread, SSJ Goku should take it easily for now.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Saiyan Saga Goku vs Current Zebra

@Ikki_Minami_ said:

Seeing again how Zebra is stronger than Sani whom is a multi planet buster and can beat SSJ Early Namek Saga Goku, Zebra wins this easily.

This, goku at this level should only be large planet buster at best.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Aizen vs Hashirama

@supernova7005 said:

@eddz99: Yeah, it was a part of las noches, and even that part takes days to cover. However, we also know that its still stated to be larger than SS so its safe to say its atleast city sized.

And I was talking about Goku's punches. No one destroyed a planet with their punch, but we know that their potency is above planet level.

That's a baseless statement a.k.a assumption

Another assumption since the actual size of the blast wasn't stated

That's because it is enchanced with ki, and i already know that since i used that in a debate with othus.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Aizen vs Hashirama

@supernova7005 said:

@eddz99: There is a difference because Las noches is stated to be even larger than Seireitei, and takes 3 days to walk. Easily seems city+ to me

And as for this-

@eddz99 said: and to be called a city buster you must have destroyed a city.

Its not necessary. For example, Goku never destroyed a planet with his punches, yet we call him a planet buster.

In short, its called "attack potency". Ichigo's swings may not bust a city since they lack the AoE, but the potency behind his swings is well above that.

That wasn't the whole las noches

We call him planet buster since someone weaker in terms of destructive capacity than him did it, but ulquiora didn't even bust a city nor someone weaker than him, therefore he cannot be called a city buster. , I know about attack potencies since i bring that up in debates.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Aizen vs Hashirama

@supernova7005 said:

@Dream said:

the size of the plateau that is shown cut apart in the first exchange isn't too impressive if we scaled it off Ichigo's height (as he is visible in the shot of the destroyed plateau). Pixel-scaling would actually be a reliable means in this case since Ichigo's height is official given from character profiles (being '5'9" before the timeskip).

No, pixel-scaling can't be used in this case since the distance between Ichigo and the "mountain" is never stated. The plateau could be several kilometers behind him for all we know.

Moreover the anime can't be used as a reference since its completely non canon. Using the video to get a timeframe and a better angle of vision isn't a good approach since it wasn't made by Kubo himself.

Finally, my point was that their swings are multi-mountain level in attack potency, NOT destructive capacity (hope you get the difference between the two). I'll explain something about attack-potency in manga since people here are making severely flawed analysis and taking everything at face value.

Ichigo's and Aizen's swings are supposed to be City/Mountain++ at the very least. Their shockwaves can vaporise mountains. Well, Aizen disintegrates, Ichigo completely vaporises.

My main point: A shockwave is so much weaker than the actual impact, that you'd laugh at the difference. The energy starts dissipating exponentially the further it goes from it's origin.

Hence, Ichigo destroying a small mountain (or even a hill) that's far away without making contact equals destroying several mountains at point-blank (hope you've heard of the inverse square law). Here we have it.

Here you have Ichigo tanking Aizen's swing with his fingers- http://manga.starkana.com/151/5699/12.png. It does absolutely nothing to Ichigo, but creates a mountain sized crater behind (and all this was caused by just the air pressure released by the swing).

Yet Aizen's Fragor burns his arm- http://manga.starkana.com/151/5700/14.png Multi-mountain level, at least.

It doesn't matter how small the AoE Fragor if it could destroy only a house or your bathroom, it has multi-mountain level potency for the simple fact that it burned Ichigo's arm (the same guy who tanked Aizen's swing with his fingers).

Moreover, Aizen can use all six heads to form a ring with six times the power of one Fragor-

http://manga.starkana.com/151/5700/15.png

http://manga.starkana.com/151/5700/16.png

Multiplying it by 6, its pretty much Island level, but since some people may not agree, I'd say its safe multi mountain level+.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Aizen wins, infact I'm betting on Hashi. I'm just pointing out the fact that the claim of a single mountain buster one-shotting Aizen is ridiculous.

Yep, pixel scaling cannot also be used with ulquiora's attack since we don't know the exact distance of the camera and the exact length of the blast, we cannot say he is city buster ( it is a scan for god's sake ) and to be called a city buster you must have destroyed a city.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Namek Saga SSJ Goku Vs Sunny

@AnimeDefender said:

@Ikki_Minami_: He can, though still, Goku's durability won't help him since apparently Sunny can multiplanet bust. Goku at that time was above Planetary durablity, but not multiplanet. Wait I must ask how strong are Sunny's punches now, I mean how many planets he can take down with one shot of his bare fist?

Frieza at that time survived the explosion of the planet when he was half dead , still doesn't make goku have a multi planetary level + durability at ssj? Then piccolo at 200 busted a moon, piccolo at 200's moon buster attack cannot harm nappa at 7000, nappa at 7000's beam is obviously atleast 10x more powerful than piccolo at 200's moon busting attack but it still can't obviously harm vegeta that much at 18,000 which was claimed to be already planet buster ( this claim is believable since piccolo at 200 busted a moon , so did roshi ) see where i'm going?, goku is at 150,000,000 PL piccolo was at 200 when he busted a moon and vegeta was at 18,000 when he claimed he can bust the earth with one attack. Also dbz characters were shown to enchance their defenses and attack potencies ( which means if they put ki into their punches it can have an attack potency as their beams ).

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Namek Saga SSJ Goku Vs Sunny

@SpeedForceSpider said:

Sani doesn't really need multi planet busting to compete. But he does lose both scenarios. Goku is too powerful at this level.

He does, 200 powerlevel = casual moon buster level , goku at ssj1 is at 150,000,000

@Ikki_Minami_ said:

@eddz99: See that's where people get messed up. Sunny, Zebra are both planet busters right now. There planet around the size of Saturn or Jupiter one country there is the size of Eurasia and Toriko, Zebra, Sunny, and Coco can destroy one which means to normal universes like Dragon Ball Z planets which are the same size as Earth they are planet busters. One of Sunny' Satans Hairs can destroy the Toriko planet which means by average standards with the millions he is a multi planet buster which means he can beat Goku.

Well earth is actually a below average planet while saturn is an average planet , jupiter is above average but still not large, so goku ssj1 is a multi planet buster which does not mean he can only bust multi earths but pretty much multi saturns. also , if sunny can do that, sunny is a small multi planet level

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11
Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Namek Saga SSJ Goku Vs Sunny

Unless sunny has feats of multi planet busting, i don't see him denting goku at ssj

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Goku vs Yamamoto

@supernova7005: @EraserCannon said:

@ChromeDisaster said:

Goku gets Wonderweissed if he comes close. Goku has a shot, but not with his fighting style. He wasn't and wont be spamming Kamehameha's in the Saiyan Saga

A single Ki Blast should suffice.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Goku vs Yamamoto

@EraserCannon said:

Goku at this moment would one-shot the Bleachverse, lmao.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » B.W. Championship Round 1 Battle 1

@Galenbeta said:

@eddz99: Ichigo was not at full strength when he fought Ulqiurra there was the Ihikias who barred his path for a while. Then he fought Ulq and not to mention his mask broke and fell off a few times.

ulq wasn't even serious when he fought ichigo, even at his base...

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Four Heavenly Kings Vs Frohze

@Ikki_Minami_: Who is frohze and what makes you think she can take 4 country-level people at once? :O

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » B.W. Championship Round 1 Battle 1

Gin > Ulquiora > Ichigo with unli hollow mask

e.e

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » EOS Yusuke vs Krillin

I won't say anything here since i can't punch through a certain someone's thick skull but amma leave 4 words,

Raditz Matches EoS Yusuke

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » B.W. Championship Round 1 Battle 1

@Galenbeta said:

you have one more day o reply

Pre? :O I thought this was current. i lose :)

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