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Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Toriko vs Vegeta

@ChromeDisaster said:

@eddz99: I agree. Lets not start another s#itstorm that turns out like this: http://www.comicvine.com/goku/4005-19765/forums/goku-is-way-faster-than-light-27647/?page=2

Agreed XD

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Toriko vs Vegeta

@ChromeDisaster said:

@eddz99: Ummmmm........no. From everything iv'e been reading in the posts, that kind of logic is a fail. If Goku or anybody was that fast in DB, which they aren't, then shouldn't they be massively FTL, say, around the Namek Saga, or the Android Saga? I find it incredibly hard to believe that ANYONE from DB or DBZ has speed on par with the likes of the Silver Surfer. I would give DB characters hypersonic speed at best, and DBZ could stand at relativistic speeds. Being FTL isn't something they have ever shown to muster, let alone ever will, because, if that was so, they would be time traveling no? The only one that did it "somewhat" was Goku when he used Instant Transmission, and even that isn't his own speed, but this is Vegeta vs Toriko isn't it?

I would too if you told me that last month, but for now he may be lightspeed since kami who could see bullets in a very slow motion couldn't even see goku move.. Also they MIGHT be massively ftl in android saga or namek saga but that would start a whole new debate which is tiring so let's just end this and believe what we want to believe.

Also, seeing how bills was BILLIONS of ftl then there is a possibility that goku at 23rdbt was indeed ls

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Toriko vs Vegeta

@ChromeDisaster said:

@eddz99: Above or at hypersonic, yes. FTL, no.

LS, maybe

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Killua vs Buranchi

Killua, in terms of epicness.

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Toriko vs Vegeta

@supernova7005 said:

@ChromeDisaster said:

@othus12: WTF!??!?! Massive fail man lmao!!!!!! Goku FTL versus Raditz? Wank, wank, wank

Look at the evidence he provided....he says 23rd Bt Goku is FTL because he was faster than the eye and didn't leave any afterimages

Well yeah, humans who cannot see bullets... Kami who can see bullets and avoid them easily ( maybe lightnings also ) , couldn't even keep up wuth 23rd Bt Goku with his " Godly " Eyes, so i guess that puts him above hypersonic?

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Toriko vs Vegeta

@othus12 said:

@eddz99: well yeah, but toriko wouldnt get the chance because goku would blitz. he has to become faster

@ChromeDisaster: @supernova7005: that was one of the funniest arguments i have ever seen on AV.

Which he can do with prep as you stated.

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Bills vs. Yi Xing Long

@GrayWolf2 said:

@niBBit: Power scaling is fun and all but it doesn't really help here. A lot of people agree that Super Saiyan Vegetto and SSJ 4 Goku through power scaling are roughly the same. However Fusion between Goku and Vegeta during Battle of the Gods didn't happen despite being allowed a lot of time which indicates to me that it would have been useless. This to me means SSJ God Goku >SSJ Vegetto/SSJ4 Goku. Meanwhile Birusu is still able to take down SSJG Goku comfortably with power to spare so that would put Birusu>SSJG Goku>SSJ4 Goku. Through scaling he is around Yi Xing Long's level and through feats and statements of his power(FTL speeds,casual solar system buster possibly even Galaxy level) he takes it. Simple as that.

So many wrong statements e.e

1. SSJ Vegetto is not equal to shadow dragons saga SSJ 4 Goku, but ssj2 vegetto is ( by powerscaling )

2. There are no potara earrings anymore and Vegitto >> Gogeta

3. Birisu did not beat goku comfortably, he tried to bust the planet after the fight yet he only busted a rock.

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Vasto Lorde Ichigo Vs Coyote Starrk

@supernova7005 said:

@DBZ_universe said:

I bet full power Vasto Lorde is as powerful as Mugetsu.

Nah, thats impossible. Mugetsu is a transcedent being, far surpassing the limits of hollows.

Its implied that VL is just a fraction of mugetsu's power

And mugetsu is only a fraction of current ichigo's power

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Toriko vs Vegeta

@othus12 said:

@eddz99 said:

Guys this debate should be closed, toriko only wins via conduct of the king, nothing else.

Even goku ssj3 loses to toriko, end of story.

well that escalated quickly!

vegeta scouter without ki barrier is pretty vulnerable

goku ssj3 even without ki barrier is pretty much a monster.

Don't forget that the z - fighters can actually make their defenses or attacks as weak as they want, which conduct of the king can actually do.

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Bills vs. Yi Xing Long

@DBZ_universe said:

Birusu rips out the DBs out of Yi Xing Long.

Good thing you said DBs, dragon balls would just sound weird O.o

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Itachi and Nagato vs Barragan

@UltimateHero0406 said:

@ohgodwhy said:

Personally I would say team Naruto wins this even without Edo Tensei

I disagree. All if would take is them to touch him once and it would be game over. No prep means they don't know how hax he is meaning they won't start with their A game. They may not even have a choice due to his speed/dilation.

Itachi is smart enough to start with his best since he doesn't know his enemy's abillities.

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Toriko vs Vegeta

Guys this debate should be closed, toriko only wins via conduct of the king, nothing else.

Even goku ssj3 loses to toriko, end of story.

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Toriko vs Vegeta

@othus12 said:

@eddz99: he thinks about it, it happens.

EDIT: obviously sounds too good to be true. the catch is that it consumes a massive ammount of calories and its not that effective against other people that also have the conduct of the king

Lolhow :O, i think there is some kind of range for that

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » L vs. Lelouch vs. Sagara vs. Batman - Battle of Great Minds

@othus12 said:

how about konoha 11?

shichibukai?

4 heavenly kings?

4 Heavenly is too hax :L, amma continue this later xD

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Toriko vs Vegeta

@othus12 said:

@eddz99:well its not mind control, its not an illusion. this is even more hax that those.

here aimaru showed toriko the conduct of the king (obviously he didnt wanted to kill him)

its activated just by believeing it strongly enough. its not up to vegeta. its up to toriko to create the proper image. let me show you:

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its nearly impossible to dominate the technique and it consumes a massive ammount of power but toriko has perfected it.

he can prevent his own death just by believing it.

precognition got rendered useless at this point. toriko had to create a permanent defensive image to stay alive

so unless vegeta can launch his own conduct of the king he doesnt have the power to survive getting pierced in half.

toriko should win by HAX

How is it activated though D:

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » L vs. Lelouch vs. Sagara vs. Batman - Battle of Great Minds

Characters stated in the title cannot fight, they can only command and give their soldiers arsenals

L - Death Note

Lelouch - I forgot where

Sousuke Sagara - FMP

Batman - Batman

Rules:

All EoS

No bloodlust

Win by extinction of army

The Commanders cannot fight

How this works:

The Commanders ( L, Lelouch, Sagara, Batman ) are the planners on how their army would fight.

They are all given an army which they would use to fight.

L's Army

Varia:

Akatsuki:

Phantom Troupe:

I am gonna continue this later, for now please suggest groups..

Espada, Team 7, Vongola X, 5 Kages

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Toriko vs Vegeta

@othus12 said:

@eddz99: yeah i asumed you didnt knew! you cheater! >:D

mmm basically if toriko thinks an attack will pierce you it will. if he creates the image on his head he can bring that to reality.

in other words if he believes vegeta will get pierced in half vegeta will also believe it and it will happen. it would bypass the ki armor since toriko would make vegeta think he is vulnerable ha can make vegeta believe he doesnt have any form of protection at all.

. not even guys with precognition can stop the image toriko recreates.

precog reactions>lightspeed reactions

the only way to counter it is with your own conduct of the king. and create a counter image on your head with it.

and as i said before toriko doesnt attack at mach 600. his attacks are even harder to dodge than light.

Still not 10x faster than light :L . Isn't that just like psychological war? Like killua did with the guy? , anyway piccolo stated that vegeta cannot be beaten psychologically, also, isn't that like izanami? :O , how can it be activated though? Izanami has a range so the conduct of the king must have a range.

"Ultimate Routine (アルティメットルーティーン, Arutimetto Rutin): The "supreme" routine taught to Toriko by Aimaru, it is also referred to as the "Conduct of the king". By imagining a scenario or event strongly enough, a person is able to cause an impression of that scenario or event strong enough that it actually occurs, whether that be imagining stress and forming an ulcer or imagining an attack succeeding and having it actually succeed (in a way similar to that of the placebo effect). Furthermore, it can accelerate the healing rate of a person or weaken their immune system to the point they can cause themselves to develop a flu. The impression that this routine can cause is so strong that it effects not only the user but those around the user as well. Offensive techniques gain even more power through this routine. With it, Aimaru can turn the bacteria inside his body into deadly viruses that are capable of killing an opponent, even as strong as Toriko, in an instant by causing their body to rot at an astounding speed. Aimaru mentioned the concept of Kotodama being akin to the Ultimate Routine, as the latter, like the first, consists in making something thought in the mind happen. Due to his eating very little, Aimaru can perform this attack only once every 2-3 months, since it consumes a lot of energy, and it leaves him extremely exhausted." I knew it was a psychological war, like the feint punch by ippo, this is a speculation but... I say vegeta's saiyan pride and warrior soul cannot be beaten by this

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Itachi and Pain Vs Nnoitra and Grimmjow

@UltimateHero0406 said:

@eddz99: While I too think that Susano'o will be major here, I don't really think so for Amaterasu. This is because, while it's doesn't go out, it's not particulary damaging by bleach standards. Killer Bee and Karin got hit and only suffered minor burns. And we are talking about 3 espada, one of which supposedly has the toughest hierro in the bunch. It would take a very long time for the burn to even be felt if at all.

This leaves Susano'o as a mainly defensive option because while the blade could do the job, it has to hit to work. At the least, Grimmjow wouldn't get hit. Plus they can fly. Also, Susano'o is very taxing on the user so if the Espada can hold out, they should be fine.

As for Pain, he really has few options in terms of attack and defense when you look at it.

Human Path - Won't work

Naraka Path - Almost useless

Animal Path - Distraction at best

Preta Path - Useless

Asura Path - Useable

Deva Path - Major

Pain would need to spam his chakra lasers and use the village buster Shinra Tensei to do major damage to the espada. You can find my reasons on either this thread or the Akatsuki vs Espada one.

2 Espada*

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Toriko vs Vegeta

@othus12 said:

@eddz99: you dont seem to get it.

piccolo isnt lightspeed but his attacks are.

toriko's attacks arent lightspeed but they are harder to dodge than actual lightspeed attacks.

toriko has precog-like reflexes well above mach 600. vegeta is barely mach 50 in movement speed. and he got struck by goku's mach 70ish attacks so your point becomes rather null.

READ THIS: you seem to ignore toriko's conduct of the king, how is vegeta gonna get out of that?

Their combat speeds are different, they have can disappear in a fight for god's sake, i didn't say anything about piccolo being lightspeed? I said raditz at 1200 dodged piccolo's lightspeed attack the moment it was fired.

Let's make this simple

If raditz can react to a lightspeed attack at 1200

It is common sense that vegeta can react to 10x a lightspeed attack at 18,000

Lightspeed >>>> Mach 600 , vegeta can react to it rather easily

What is conduct of the king? Lol

Post by eddz99 (2,541 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Toriko vs Vegeta

@othus12 said:

@eddz99: again, the distance from earth to moon would be extremely smaller than what i just showed to you. you can tell its lightspeed or even faster BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE ISNT THAT OBVIOUS?

do you realize the size of the planet? its obviously lightspeed. dont try to downplay.

you even call lightspeed an attack from earth to the moon:

far closer than what the sattellite was from toriko's world.

vegeta wont even raise his ki armor due to the conduct of the king. end of story he gets chopped on the neck.

Well we are talking about reaction speed here, but as you said, toriko is only mach 600+ , vegeta can react to something much more than that, game over? not yet? k

As i said, it's a scan, there's no exact timeframe, you cannot say it's RIGHT AFTER. , and what was the connection of the saturn here again? , we are talking about reaction speed not the size of the toriko world --"

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