I never said that he is weaker than 3 kings Yusuke. We don't know how much stronger Yusuke got from end of 3 kings to EoS. EoS Yusuke might make the kings piss their pants as well, or he could be right at Yomi level, or even a little below that. Prime Raizen is waay overhyped. So you can't really put him at that far above the best fighter in YYH (which is Yomi or EoS Yusuke).
EoS Yusuke is also unquantifiable, but the way he's portrayed he's still far weaker than Raizen.
Prime Raizen is FAR above Mukuro and Yomi for all we know, and stated to be ATLEAST 100x stronger than what he was in the saga
Even at the brink of death, he could shake the entire plain of Makai with just the contracting of his muscles!! When did Raditz show something of that level?
Mukuro isn't faster than Raditz. He dodged relativistic speed beams. Albeit that they aren't the most consistent but either way he dodged them.
Kid Naruto blitzed Haku, who was stated to be lightspeed. Guess he's FTL now.....
We can't take inconsistent feats seriously.
I'm getting owned D: amma go serious
1. It is, look carefully in the anime , look at the beam, anyway since special beam cannon is his specialty that makes my point clearer since special beam cannon should be faster than any of his attacks as he was proud of it against raditz.
Anime is not canon. Try again
2. Common sense, he thought it wouldn't hurt him so he checked it first.
And? He had enough time to dodge since Gohan was several meters away.
3. It reached the moon before he said MOON, it can't possibly be fastmowed because there were words with it.
Anime again....show me a manga scan.
Moreover, there were words even with Goku's kaiokenx4 KHH....so this is once again a double standard.
4. Sorry but if you want to debate against that then make a new thread, anyone you think who is lightspeed vs. eos goku
K. Anyways, EoS Goku has nothing to do with this, so lets keep the topic aside...
5. Slowmowed as there were no words with it, their conversation is most probably a manga filler or just to make things clear.
There is no such thing as Manga filler
6. Has anyone taught you the difference about combat and travel speed?
Lol what? Nappa couldn't dodge Mach 60 (2x kaioken) Goku. Goku was flying at him from a long distance (aka traveling)
7. Goku carried 4 tons at 300 powerlevel ( It is stated in detail ), it is a plothole since goku at that level should be million times stronger.
anyway, if you say that ki has nothing to do with strength then explain trunks training at 400x gravity even if he has not done it before.
Trunks trained at 150x gravity...not 400x. Please read the manga before debating, dude.
And who said he hadn't done it before? Who knows how much he trained with Vgetea during the timeskip...
1. Lol then there's no such thing as a conversation then, even so he said it in the manga.
2. He was shocked
3. It also happened in the manga, see it for yourself
5. There is, like tao pai pai throwing a pillar 1000 miles away
6. It was in a fight, they were engaged in a COMBAT
7. Still puts my point, vegeta couldn't have descended to 10x gravity just because of his son.
Anyway you talked about the conversation about yajirobe yet you keep saying manga.