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Battles » Gotenks vs First Form Janemba

@DBZ_universe: I said mystic gohan bro.

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Battles » Gotenks vs First Form Janemba

@supernova7005 said:

@eddz99: I personally believe Super Janemba is comparable to Super Buu/SSJ3 Gotenks, but Goku is haxed in the movies/anime filler.

For example, we see the anime says Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan, yet ssj3 Goku is able to fight on par with him.

Agree with that, that's why i propose that it's debatable.

Still tho, i see super janemba without a sword equal to super buu while with sword he would be equal to Gohan.

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@eddz99: Still proving you can't comprehend a simple explanation. You say I give no reasons yet I posted a wall of text explaining my reasoning. Seriously what is wrong with your mind? Ahh I see, post must have been too much for you to understand, you poor thing. The sword doesn't give Janemba power advantage wise guy, that's like saying Trunks sword gives him one. Oh and you forget Janemba loses power from insults and Gotenks is the king of trash talking. No logic behind anything you say anyway. That's why no one is gonna save you here. You shouldn't reply to me, just save yourself from further embarrassment. It's obvious you're butthurt from our last debate. That's why you always call me out sprouting the crap over and over again. It's gotten pretty tiresome forcing myself to read your posts.

You mean explaining your speculationing? :3, as i said, it's a battle based of speculations, that's why i proposed it being debatable.

"The sword doesn't give Janemba power advantage wise guy" Actually, you can't compare trunks sword to janemba's sword "Wise" guy, because it has long ranged attacks, it's different, ssj3 goku also managed to hit him without a sword " Wise " guy but when he got the sword, goku even ran away from him.

Oh and you forget Janemba loses power from insults and Gotenks is the king of trash talking

Sigh, different villains, different attitudes, bro do you even read? He has not been shown to be annoyed except by someone stronger than him.

No logic behind anything you say anyway.

Too much for you to understand bro, i'll only say this once more, if you can't understand it then you're ... lol... I proposed that it was debatable because it's all speculations, there's no real logic behind it.

That's why no one is gonna save you here.

I don't care about anyone, hence why i proposed it was 1v4 lol.

You shouldn't reply to me, just save yourself from further embarrassment. It's obvious you're butthurt from our last debate. That's why you always call me out sprouting the crap over and over again. It's gotten pretty tiresome forcing myself to read your posts.

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@SpeedForceSpider: Should'nt you be the one not replying to me? If you really see i have no logic then why stoop down to my level? That shows that you are just saving yourself from embarrasment. ~Comeback of the day by eddz99

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs First Form Janemba

@supernova7005: Agreed, but i see gotenks ssj3 matching super janemba and mystic gohan matching super janemba with sword full power.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs First Form Janemba

@SpeedForceSpider: Yet you can't come up of any reasons why lol

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs First Form Janemba

Wow you really don't know what debatable means lol.

@SpeedForceSpider:

It's 1v4 huh? Classic :P, i don't have much time but i'm gonna do this.

@SpeedForceSpider:

1. You don't even know what the meaning of debatable is?

If you base it on percentage then jesus christ is true because more than 50% believes in him, but yet it's still debatable.

lol of course I know what debatable is. It's just your poor choice of wording makes my skin crawl.

Nope terrible example, never bring people's religious beliefs into a debate. You trying to cause flame wars or something? And lol dat grammar, you should have said Jesus Christ is real not "is true". There shouldn't be any debate on that anyway, people's beliefs are solely up to them.

Nope, you're escaping from my point LOL , my point is as long as many people are debating against it therefore it is debatable. And there is no proof that he is real, face it.

2. I was just making an opinion on your statement that has no proof lol.

lol Gotenks one shots. Even Super Janemba would lose.

I gave enough proof with my previous post. Troll harder, it's not even a very hard concept to follow. Here you are arguing with no facts to back up your argument, you got something against me right?

Where? Lol, what proof? oh you mean the wall of speculations? lol

I was implying to super janemba with sword and janemba was not given a chance to power up, and you can't use that powerscale anymore since you don't know how much goku has improved and you don't know how strong he is when he has unlimited energy. See it's debatable, not because i say that janemba would beat gohan but because you can't get a clear answer.

Therefore you are coming up with a speculation.

Lies, lies, lies. What speculation? You are giving Goku these amazing power ups he never showed. He literally is the same ballpark of power as he is in Buu saga, unless YOU can prove he got any stronger. Otherwise keep your what-if scenarios and speculations to yourself. Hmmm, do I smell hypocrisy on your end?

This is not debatable at all, you whine about it being speculation yet you speculate yourself Movie SSJ3 > Canon SSJ3. Forget about unlimited Ki, even canon dead Goku has it in Buu saga. The only difference between Movie and canon is Movie Goku has is a plot shield protecting him.

In your choice of wording it's "4v1" look's like you lost this one.

And you are making goku the same despite how he gets stronger from a short time.

Nope i can't, can you prove that he is the same? Lol, you can't either, no clear answer -.-.

Otherwise keep your what-if scenarios and speculations to yourself. Hmmm, do I smell hypocrisy on your end?

Sorry but that's the whole reason why i said it was debatable, all the answers you threw at me are speculations, yet you are the one deciding what my reason for this whole thing is? What are you? A god? Lol

This is not debatable at all, you whine about it being speculation yet you speculate yourself Movie SSJ3 > Canon SSJ3. Forget about unlimited Ki, even canon dead Goku has it in Buu saga. The only difference between Movie and canon is Movie Goku has is a plot shield protecting him.

Nope, i don't whine, where did i do that? Lol, another speculation you made xD.

Sorry but i don't speculate that, i speculate that Movie SS3 maybe is above or the same as canon ss3, that's why i said it's debatable didn't i? Lol.

"even canon dead Goku has it in Buu saga. The only difference between Movie and canon is Movie Goku has is a plot shield protecting him.

Bro do you even read? Lololol

As i said, i know that and i explained that, goku was holding back since he didn't want somebody dead to kill a living being, it's not right.

Sorry but all animes revolve on plot, it's all plot.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs First Form Janemba

@DBZ_universe: Yep, like i said, we don't know the difference and we can't get a clear answer,

Therefore it is debatable.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs First Form Janemba

@DBZ_universe:

Explain why super buu wasn't around? There wasn't any time in between.

Even if he did not wanted to beat fat Buu, he still said that only fat Buu was the one who took him to his limits.

Yep who forced him to become super saiyan 3, but we don't know if it was at full power since he was holding back, he also stated it.

SSJ3 Gotenkusu one shots Super Buu.

Lolwut? They were matching. Unless you mean fat buu? If you mean that then another speculation lol

EDIT:

I meant it's not a speculation, but he most certainly would'nt stomp or one-shot fat buu.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs First Form Janemba

@DBZ_universe:

Movie 12 is around Super Buu arc.

Another speculation...

Lolno, gotenks already mastered fusion there.

EDIT:

Then why give gohan a speculation boost of power in broly second coming in a debate?? I smell favoritism here.

Anyway, as i stated, goku wasn't intending to fight buu, he wants to hold him off, therefore we haven't seen him at full potential on his ss3 halo.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs First Form Janemba

It's 1v4 huh? Classic :P, i don't have much time but i'm gonna do this.

@SpeedForceSpider:

1. You don't even know what the meaning of debatable is?

If you base it on percentage then jesus christ is true because more than 50% believes in him, but yet it's still debatable.

2. I was just making an opinion on your statement that has no proof lol.

lol Gotenks one shots. Even Super Janemba would lose.

3, ^

4.

But let's see, Goku was putting up a decent fight with Janemba before the sword came out no?

Let's break it down using the classic DBZ powerscaling:

Janemba > SSJ3 Goku

SSJ Gotenks(manga) > SSJ3 Goku

That means,

SSJ3 Gotenks >> SSJ3 Goku

Ultimate Gohan >> SSJ3 Gotenks

Then it's obvious,

Ultimate Gohan >>> SSJ3 Goku

in conclusion,

SSJ3 Gotenks > Jamenba

Ultimate Gohan >> Janemba

I was implying to super janemba with sword and janemba was not given a chance to power up, and you can't use that powerscale anymore since you don't know how much goku has improved and you don't know how strong he is when he has unlimited energy. See it's debatable, not because i say that janemba would beat gohan but because you can't get a clear answer.

Therefore you are coming up with a speculation.

@Carter_esque: @Sonata: And why?

@DBZ_universe:

LOL! Mystic Gohan would mop the floor with Super Janemba.

SSJ3 Halo Goku was putting a decent fight against him. If Goku was able to put some hits on him then SSJ3 Gotenkusu would not have trouble doing that. He will dominate Janemba and destroy him with ease. Also we have Gotenkusu's cocky attitude here. I say that because that will give him an even more advantage. Gotenkusu will call Janemba an idiot, stupid, dummy ect...and when he sees Janemba in the floor in pain he will see that's his weakness. Gotenkusu calls him stupid multiple times and sends ghosts to dispose of Janemba...simple as that.

I put S. Janemba below the level of Super Buu since Goku managed to put hits. Now SSJ3 Goku would get destroyed by Super Buu that he immediately asked Vegeta to fuse in order to fight him since he knew they had 0 chances.

LOL! Nobody knows that.

We don't know how strong that version of goku is, he wasn't going serious against fat buu, and since that was after buu, we don't know how much he improved.

And i was using super janemba with sword version, he wasn't even given a chance to power up.

He will dominate Janemba and destroy him with ease.

Another speculation because of above reasons -.-

stupid multiple times and sends ghosts to dispose of Janemba...simple as that.

Warp makes gotenk's ghosts go back at him. He wasn't shown to get annoyed to jokes so therefore he won't be, he is only annoyed at beings stronger at him ( proof, gogeta. )

put S. Janemba below the level of Super Buu since Goku managed to put hits.

Again, we don't know how strong goku at that time is, and janemba was not powered up AND goku wasn't going serious against fat buu AND i was referring to janemba with sword who stomped goku... Another speculation i see.

Now SSJ3 Goku would get destroyed by Super Buu

Enough with speculations -.-

Lol, y'all keep throwing speculations at me, i know it is because there's not enough proof and the other is non-cannon, hence that's why i say it's debatable.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs First Form Janemba

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@eddz99:

1. Who cares.

2. 40% is less than half, by statistics Gohan stomps.

3. Learn to debate, if you think Gotenks or Gohan loses explain properly.

4. You need to stop relying on others to answer for you.

1. You don't care because only you and the other 60% doesn't care.

2. It's debatable.

3. I stated my opinion, it's up to you whether you want to prove that gohan can stomp super janemba.

4. ? lol

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs First Form Janemba

@SpeedForceSpider: Nope, it isn't for you because you are deciding for yourself, i made a super janemba vs. mystic gohan thread before and about 40% of the people sided with janemba if i recall.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs First Form Janemba

@SpeedForceSpider said:

lol Gotenks one shots. Even Super Janemba would lose.

Lolno, it is even debatable if mystic gohan would win against Janemba.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Kenshin Himura vs. Afro (2 Rounds)

Afro stomps, afro dodged lasers and bullets, cut rockets and cut robots, don't get me wrong, i like kenshin, but afro is just insane.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Asura and Yasha vs Super Janemba

Tho i don't know about asura and yasha i can comment in one thing

"Asura can destroy a planet with one punch"

Gogeta's punch made janemba go down who would roflsuperstomp frieza who took vegeta's blasts at 500,000 like it was nothing who could roflstomp vegeta at 18,000 who was a planet baster.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Bojack vs SSJ2 Adult Gohan

I think this is ssj gohan?
Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » LSSJ Broly Vs SSG Goku

@DBZ_universe:

"But still Broly was not blood lusted, if he was then Piccolo would had exploded from the first hit.

Another speculation :3

My opinions are based on facts, plot-device is a lame excuse used by guys if they do not want a certain ugly feat, besides it was a feat that they could gather energy, i already explained that. All anime also revolves on plot, therefore the thing you call "Plot-device" is part of the story.

Broly is not Zaraki, nor are their attitudes the same, that's why broly got angry because they keep getting up.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » LSSJ Broly Vs SSG Goku

@DBZ_universe: Lolno, it's all about plot because it's CREATED, it's not like it was ACTED, that's why i don't believe in plot device thingy unless it is stated.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » LSSJ Broly Vs SSG Goku

@DBZ_universe said:

@eddz99: I told you that Broly loves to toy with his foes to have fun. Similar to Kenpachi restraining him self so the fight becomes longer and more satisfying. If he one shot them then it would not be very fun at all.

You really can't prove that since kenpachi has no goal, while broly has been LUSTING to kill goku for years.

If he was toying then he would've been able to tank that last punch from a couple of super saiyans ( Not a plot device ).

I doubt it was even FPSSJs

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » LSSJ Broly Vs SSG Goku

@DBZ_universe: You're using speculations.

I already explained that destructive capacity doesn't matter to dbz and i also PROVED it. Yet you keep throwing that DC thing at my face.

Two punches from ssj2 gohan made cell who was > fpssj so damaged. Yet when broly was beating them to the ground they kept standing up ( You still cannot call this a plot device ).

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » LSSJ Broly Vs SSG Goku

@DBZ_universe: Well i'll put up a good debate for goku since people here doesn't really put up one ( I'm not siding anyone here, i just wanna debate with someone =) )

1. You cannot call something a plot device just because you don't like it, it is actually a FEAT that saiyans can gather their powers like they did with goku in BoG.

2. By the logic you are using, goku ssj1 at the movie is stronger than goku ssj2 canon because broly is always bloodlusted at LSSJ and he had so much lust to kill goku, yet he can't do it instantly ( Don't call it poor writing or plot device because it's just a sucking reason used by someone who doesn't like a suckish feat, and it's not too obvious to be a plot device since it has no signs, therefore it's not a plot device ), while gohan ssj2 who was weaker than goku ssj2 beat kid cells who was equal to if not greater than an FPSSJ in an instant.

3. It's not calculated by feats but by the powerscale, if you agree that goku ssj1 at the movie is stronger than goku ssj2 canon then i won't bother debating with you ( it's something to lol at though. ). The powerscale you calculated is wrong since you think that LSSJ broly > SSG Goku.

Here is an example of a debatable powerscale:

Column HeadSagaPowerlevelFeat
RoshiMid DB139Moon Bust
PiccoloEarly Saiyan300+Moon Bust
NappaLate Saiyan7,000City Bust ( Could probably planet bust, i think this because of his conversation with vegeta when he destroyed a planet. )
VegetaLate Saiyan18,000Planet Bust
N/A
N/A

Roshi at 139 busted a moon, Vegeta at 18,000 busted a planet, therefore we could actually use this kind of calculation: If roshi busted a moon at 139, and 18,000/139 = 129, therefore vegeta can bust 129 moons at once ( or one planet, this feat was shown. )

Therefore if goku ssj is at 150,000,000 then... Namek saga ssj goku can destroy... atleast 1079136 MOONS in an instant.

So i say that destructive capactiy doesn't matter on DBZ, it's the attack potency since punches that do not even destroy a country do hurt villains that tanked planet busting attacks/durability.

You also can't say that only kamehameha or special beam canon multiply powerlevels, actually all beams does it just depends on the quality of the beam technique.

That's all for now, i forgot what i was going to say xD

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