@Bruce246: D: Cool does she fall inlove with someone like other harem animes? :P
I vote GIRUGAMESH
Sorry i forgot to explain why Raditz possibly clears ( This is if we ignore low-end feats, which is the main reason debating for DBZ hard ).
- Dodging Piccolo's moon level attack which reached the moon in mere seconds ( anime-wise, manga-wise can range from seconds to minutes ) in point-blank range, which shows he greatly outspeeds Naruto characters.
- Although Kaguya's feat was really impressive ( appearing before several people at once because of her speed ), Kid Goku was shown to make tens of after-images which proves that Raditz greatly outspeeds her considering the gap between Kid Goku and Raditz.
- Piccolo at 400+ did a moon level attack, Raditz is at 1,200. He is atleast moon level.
Kaguya if she shows better feats ( But assuming that she > full powered ten-tails is true ) she can take this.
Possible Hagoromo but i doubt it really.
Low has a point, however...
... Gohan at 11,000 hurt Vegeta at 23,000+ with his kicks and punches.
His point is partially invalid.
Just because one's PL is smaller doesn't necessarily mean he/she can't hurt those with higher PL with punches, it just does not make sense anywhere i see it.
Tozokun's debate on the other hand is misunderstood.
He was saying that the punches' potency is greater than that of a planets, otherwise SSG Goku's punches wouldn't hurt Bills at all, given he was solar system level.
As you guys can see there were instances that the DBZ characters punch away ki blasts, which proves Tozo's point even more.
Really depends on what Kaguya can do really, if she splits the 7 continents into half then she may stand a chance against Nappa.
The Samurai Guy
I think a lot of you guys forgot that BOG is post Buu saga. Goku could be way stronger in base just like GT. And again The Universal Spirit Bomb seems like BS to me. Did Goku really gather energy from all the planets in the universe? I doubt it to say the least.
Then what's the point of this?
Base GT Goku (Start of Series) =/> Z SSJ3 Goku
Base GT Goku (Shenron Saga) =/> BoZ SSJ3 Goku
@taichokage: Read the post again, it makes sense but it's hard to believe because even if SSG is 1000x stronger than SSJ3 BoZ, GT SSJ4 Goku is still much stronger than Whis.
Akira said that whis is 15 bills is 10 and ssg is 6.
Let's say ssj3 goku is 100x weaker than ssg which equals to 0.06.
Since base gt goku (shenron saga ) is equal to ssj3 goku (boz)
He is also 0.06
Now let's add the transformationa
0.06x50 is 3 = Ssj gt goku
3x2 is 6 = Ssj2 gt goku, he is already ssg level ( assuming it is x100 ssj3 which ia highly doubtful )
6x4 is 24 = Ssj3 gt goku ( above whis already )
X10 that LOLOLOL
Powerscaling wise DBZ gets massacred. GT is a alternative universe where Goku at base can take on SSJ3 lvl opponenets like Rildo and casually solo Super Perfect Cell and Frieza who are stronger than before whitout skipping a beat. Seriously how strong do people think SSJG is compared to Goku SSJ4? if GT Goku at base lvl is around Goku SSJ3 lvl from DBZ then that means GT Goku at SSJ3 is around 50 times stronger than his DBZ counterpart witch is huge! and i'm not even talking about SSJ4. Do people really think SSJG gives like a x100 boost? come one we don't even know for sure if SSJG is stronger than Vegito and if he is maybe its just by a little and Vegito isn't a 100 times stronger than Goku SSJ3 and here's why:
People believe that that Gotenks SSJ is around Goku SSJ3 lvl, alright lets go with that. Now add the SSJ2 and 3 transformations above that and so that makes Gotenks SSJ3 around 6 times stronger than Goku SSJ3. When Super Buu absorbed everyone his power should have increased by alot 10-15 times sounds alright. Vegito in the manga was SSJ when he beat Mystic Buu and Vegito was winning that fight quite handily but Buu made Vegito sweat a couple times more so when Buu lost his temper and tried to destroy everything. That tells me that Vegito is stronger but not to the point he can tank everything wihtout problem like Frieza vs namek warriors style. So if you add everyhing up SSJ Vegito is perhaps 50-60 times stronger than Goku SSJ3 witch would be the same as GT Goku SSJ3. Now how much stronger is SSJG compared to SSJ Vegito? Bills is strong but THAT much stronger than Vegito? no way. There are even people saying that Vegito needs to be SSJ3 in order to beat Bills, witch would make him 6 times stronger well....
We don't know how much stronger SSJ4 is for sure. What we do know is that Goku SSJ3 lost to Baby Vegeta in freaking base form and then Baby absorbed the powers from Bula, Goten, Trunks and Gohan and then munches on the energy from the entire human population and for his final act goes freaking Golden Ape witch at least gives him a x10 boost.... and Goku SSJ4 was still stronger. Sorry but imo Bills is gonna have trouble handling an SSJ4 nevermind freaking Omega Shenron, the dragon who beat the ever living crap of the entire Z cast (twice), 2 SSJ4 at the same goddamn time all the while he lost his 4 star ball, ohw and Goku SSJ4 was even juiced up in that fight, ohw en Omega tanked the Big Bang from goddamn Gogeta SSJ4, ohw and surived the suicide attack from Nuova ohw and he regen'd back from Goku's insta win HAX attack Dragon Fist. It took a super charged Spirit Bomb to put that f****r down. What did Bills do? beat the Z cast and beat an SSJG.
Bills or SSJG has shown me nothing impressive, nothing Vegito could't do. Bills beating SSJ3 Goku or Bills beating the Z cast? Gohan SSJ2 showed what a x2-3 difference in power means... so yeah Vegito is gonna have some REAL problem defeating people who are 50 times weaker than him haha. Really every single time i read treads about GT its always people voting against it, i swear right now i can make a tread about Goku SSJ4 vs Frieza and people will pick Frieza because *lol GT sucks lol Goku cut by glass* its the only thing you hear from people. Yes GT has shit logic and stupid shit but DBZ isn't a stranger to that either. So yeah i vote for the SSJ4 class super android who can absorb energy and counter teleportation and survive a SSJ4 kamikaze attack and the dragon with elemental abilities and regeneration who was defeated by an super charged spirit bomb after he got blown to hell by an HAX attack and took a beating from a almighty fusion character.
Welcome back? :0
By feats, Bills solo
By powerscaling, Whis would be the only threat. Team 2 wins.
SSG Powerup is not enough to make up all the years that GT Goku trained, whilst Base Goku GT is at SSJ3 Z Tier.
Also adding the fact that he got much stronger after getting the SSJ4 transformation.
Omega shenron was toying with 2 of them.
OS > Whis > Super 17 > Bills
@othus12: I have to say i agree, there should be a clear rules here in animevice whether a feat is accepted or not, whether the high end has more importance or the low end.
Master Roshi blew up the moon with a PL around 120 (rounded for simplicity).
Many consider that feat an outlier/ inconsistency. In comparison, Piccolo Daimao, who is shown to surpass Roshi in power, was only city-level in destructive showing with his best attack, the Demon Destructive Wave, that he is clearly shown to be exhausted in using after several consecutive blasts with it.
It took a concentrated moon-level attack to kill him. One that made it to the moon instantly.
Take it you are basing this off the anime's take on the attack. In the manga, we never have a specific time frame as to how long it took Piccolo's ki attack to hit the moon. Is it moon-busting? Won't dispute that. Is it and other early Saiyan saga characters light speed? Going off the manga, doubtful considering earlier speed feats up to that point in Dragon Ball.
There were two instances that moon busting was shown, one was with Roshi, the other was with piccolo.
Although no exact time frame was shown, it was fast enough to reach the moon before Gohan could deal serious damages.
@othus12: I can't say that it's not the same for Toriko and all the other shounen animes.
Bad writing is double edged for the both of us, it can be for faster or slower.
goku was calced at mach 27 due to the time it took him to cross the snake way. yet at this point he was stronger than raditz.
Raditz dodging special beam canon point blank, and it was SIDESTEP which should be slower than running.
What else would be the distance of earth to moon? He may have not intended it, it was still canon, otherwise he would've rejected the feat.
if an obviously stronger character performs a lower end feat we can consider the first one an outliner.
You're saying that frieza is only city level? They were all so shocked that gero destroyed the city. This proves the " bad writing " point on my side for this one.
It wouldn't matter much for the speed of light no matter how close you are really, anyway it was shown to be as close as goku and frieza fight.
Even kid goku was shown to make tens of afterimages.
No matter how you look at it, ssj level is already ftl.
Yet it's an acceptable feat by buu.