@Falbium_Asmodeus: How can you say he is MFTL at that point? Did he travel across planets in minutes?
@Falbium_Asmodeus: MFTL? Since when? :O Can you post scans? I hope they release season 3 :C
@SonNeko: However, it still vaporized the moon, not just busted it into bits, you're changing the point, YOU said that they overload the core with ki ( Making the core explode, as you stated ), the outer layer should have only been blown to bits. The explosion was clearly moon sized. Now can you counter my debate about Goku having ki sense thus knowing Vegeta was not bluffing?
And again, you shouldn't debate things that are off-topic.
@notreally: Well in DBZ the power with which they destroy Moons and planets is by overloading it's core with Ki.
Normally it wold take 30 trillion megatons to destroy the Moon, but during the Red Ribbon army saga, Roshi admits that Goku is stronger than him.
Goku blasts Tao with Kamehameha (post Korin training) and Tao tanks it.
Then Tao is hit by a grenade and almost dies.
Toriko barely survived that, but Cure water can't revive dead people, so he was alive, which means he tanked 360 billion tons.
However, you're forgetting that the maker of the grenade is the same maker of the multi-planet levels in the future.
It shouldn't have been destroyed instantly, or vaporized if the core was overloaded with ki ( there should have been big rocks left if only the core exploded, as you stated )
And why the Toriko scan? This is Frieza vs. Saitama.
I don't know how strong Sirzechs really is since i haven't read the manga, but I'm assuming he is somewhere around planet to multi planet. No he doesn't win in terms of Destruction AoE, he wins purely due to hax. Even Vegeta at 18,000 was said to be a planet buster ( seeing how Goku could tell if it was a bluff since he could sense powerlevels )
Now can anyone show me the four heavenly kings atleast showing to tank a moon level attack? Statements cannot be used in this debate right? If that's true then he gets beat by start of Z Piccolo lol.
Now as i was saying...
Why AoE doesn't matter in DBZ, Roshi busted the moon at 139, let's say that was an outlier, Piccolo busted the moon at 400, therefore Piccolo's attack at 400 is moon level, however, Chiaotzu's self destruct at the PL of 1,200 was only mountain level in terms of AoE, unless you're saying that Chiaotzu's self destruct at 1,200 is much much weaker than Piccolo's near casual attack at 400 ( Which is dumb ) then the explanation is Chiaotzu's self destruct has better potency than Piccolo's ordinary moon busting attack, therefore a moon busting attack won't hurt Nappa, but Frieza's beam which as much only destroyed a rock ( The one that killed Vegeta ) will pwn Nappa, AoE Doesn't matter unless it was shown by a weaker character, then we can Power Scale it to the stronger character to know how much he can really/ how much his potency really is.
^ AoE Doesn't matter, but if you insist on me proving Cell is near star level then.
Piccolo's special beam canon multiplied his powerlevel by 2.5
400 to 1000+
Goku's kamehameha only multiplied x2
450 to 900+
Yes there's no proof that it multiplies, but it's silly to think it only adds.
Now let's take Cell's least possible powerlevel
FPSSJ is atleast 200,000,000
SPC would be atleast 300,000,000
Now let's multiply it by 2.5 ( Assuming Solar Kamehameha is only AS STRONG as Special beam canon ).
750,000,000. Let's take Piccolo's casual moon busting attack at 400 PL
1.875 million moons.
However, i know that the size of the sun is 64.3 million moons.
But i doubt that 1.875 million moons won't be able to make it explode.
Thus him stating he can destroy the solar system.
Let's not forget that almost all shounen animes are inconsistent, but if you show me atleast Toriko tanking a moon level attack ( Powerscale only, statements don't count ) then i can finally say he is almost Raditz level
@eddz99: its the feat from mounturtle who replicated the AoE of mankind's army with a single blast.
we go like this:
mounturtle levels 10 million square kilometers at capture level 100
proceeds to get one shotted by zebura
who then proceeds to get destroyed by the 4 beast, even topping all 4 heavenly kings together and only at a capture level of 300.
then we have current toriko who doesnt even have to fight with capture levels at 600, he beats them without touching them.
remember that capture levels are multipliers. mounturtle at 100 got one shotted but after an upgrade of 200 levels he destroyed all 4 heavenly kings at once.
100's have country level fighting capabilities (via hax or raw power)
300's range from multi high country to continental
400-450 are around multi continent (again, mostly at combat capability like the tonyuudou)
600's are around moon level on combat capacity (there could be some with that much busting power btw)
the key to understand power in toriko is in realizing not all creatures base their power off the same ability like in Dragon Ball.
ki in DB is like a measuring stick, the more you have the better
in toriko you have poison,raw strenght,mind attacks,lasers,high speed etc. the only viable way to compare them is via combat capabilities instead of busting like DBZ.
How was it 10 m sqk again?
Episode 10 season six is the solar flare one.
Episode 5 season 4 ( Mach 1700 race ) Along with moon size meteor freeze and burst.
Latest episode is when one of them got punched through the planet.
PPG is Ongoing? :O
However, low doesn't believe in DBZ scale, thus me asking toriko tanking a moon level attack without scales.
Can you show me the feat at 100 again? I watched too much anime that i forgot o.o
Okay we'll go with your logic.
Let's say piccolo at 400 busted the moon with a casual attack.
Gohan SSJ2 is atleast at 600,000,000
600,000,000 / 400 = 1,500,000
1,500,000 moons casual attack, my statement still stands, i don't see team 1 tanking a multi planet attack casual.