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Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Current Four Heavenly Kings Vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan

Somebody's also forgetting the fact that they can sense Ki, they know if the blast is strong enough to destroy a certain thing ( Doesn't apply to Bills, only because his is God aura ).

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Current Four Heavenly Kings Vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan

Now can anyone show me the four heavenly kings atleast showing to tank a moon level attack? Statements cannot be used in this debate right? If that's true then he gets beat by start of Z Piccolo lol.

Now as i was saying...

Why AoE doesn't matter in DBZ, Roshi busted the moon at 139, let's say that was an outlier, Piccolo busted the moon at 400, therefore Piccolo's attack at 400 is moon level, however, Chiaotzu's self destruct at the PL of 1,200 was only mountain level in terms of AoE, unless you're saying that Chiaotzu's self destruct at 1,200 is much much weaker than Piccolo's near casual attack at 400 ( Which is dumb ) then the explanation is Chiaotzu's self destruct has better potency than Piccolo's ordinary moon busting attack, therefore a moon busting attack won't hurt Nappa, but Frieza's beam which as much only destroyed a rock ( The one that killed Vegeta ) will pwn Nappa, AoE Doesn't matter unless it was shown by a weaker character, then we can Power Scale it to the stronger character to know how much he can really/ how much his potency really is.

^ AoE Doesn't matter, but if you insist on me proving Cell is near star level then.

Piccolo's special beam canon multiplied his powerlevel by 2.5

400 to 1000+

Goku's kamehameha only multiplied x2

450 to 900+

Yes there's no proof that it multiplies, but it's silly to think it only adds.

Now let's take Cell's least possible powerlevel

FPSSJ is atleast 200,000,000

SPC would be atleast 300,000,000

Now let's multiply it by 2.5 ( Assuming Solar Kamehameha is only AS STRONG as Special beam canon ).

750,000,000. Let's take Piccolo's casual moon busting attack at 400 PL

1.875 million moons.

However, i know that the size of the sun is 64.3 million moons.

But i doubt that 1.875 million moons won't be able to make it explode.

Thus him stating he can destroy the solar system.

Let's not forget that almost all shounen animes are inconsistent, but if you show me atleast Toriko tanking a moon level attack ( Powerscale only, statements don't count ) then i can finally say he is almost Raditz level

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Current Four Heavenly Kings Vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan

@othus12 said:

@eddz99: its the feat from mounturtle who replicated the AoE of mankind's army with a single blast.

we go like this:

mounturtle levels 10 million square kilometers at capture level 100

proceeds to get one shotted by zebura

who then proceeds to get destroyed by the 4 beast, even topping all 4 heavenly kings together and only at a capture level of 300.

then we have current toriko who doesnt even have to fight with capture levels at 600, he beats them without touching them.

remember that capture levels are multipliers. mounturtle at 100 got one shotted but after an upgrade of 200 levels he destroyed all 4 heavenly kings at once.

in short:

100's have country level fighting capabilities (via hax or raw power)

300's range from multi high country to continental

400-450 are around multi continent (again, mostly at combat capability like the tonyuudou)

600's are around moon level on combat capacity (there could be some with that much busting power btw)

the key to understand power in toriko is in realizing not all creatures base their power off the same ability like in Dragon Ball.

ki in DB is like a measuring stick, the more you have the better

in toriko you have poison,raw strenght,mind attacks,lasers,high speed etc. the only viable way to compare them is via combat capabilities instead of busting like DBZ.

How was it 10 m sqk again?

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Beerus vs. The PowerPuff Girls

@Whats_out_the_bag said:

@BloodSprinkles:

Episode 10 season six is the solar flare one.

Episode 5 season 4 ( Mach 1700 race ) Along with moon size meteor freeze and burst.

Latest episode is when one of them got punched through the planet.

PPG is Ongoing? :O

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Current Four Heavenly Kings Vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan

@othus12:

However, low doesn't believe in DBZ scale, thus me asking toriko tanking a moon level attack without scales.

Anyway.

Can you show me the feat at 100 again? I watched too much anime that i forgot o.o

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Joa, 4 Heavenly Kings, Acacia 3 Disciples Vs Gotenks, Goku, Gohan

@Low:

*Sigh*

Okay we'll go with your logic.

Let's say piccolo at 400 busted the moon with a casual attack.

Gohan SSJ2 is atleast at 600,000,000

600,000,000 / 400 = 1,500,000

1,500,000 moons casual attack, my statement still stands, i don't see team 1 tanking a multi planet attack casual.

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » 23rd Budokai Piccolo Vs Yomi

Yomi wins overall, mainly because of speed.

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Raditz vs Raizen, Yomi, Mukuro

Raditz will probably get cocky and gets 1 shotted w/o knowledge

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Current Four Heavenly Kings Vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan

Moon level and moon busting is different fyi, but unless a weaker being is shown to bust a moon, then we cannot say that its potency is moon level.

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Current Four Heavenly Kings Vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan

Are you forgetting the fact that they can sense powerlevels? Like vegito did with buu saying "That blast had the power to destroy 10 earths"

I'll explain my statements later, can't do it on this phone.

Anyway, where is the scan where Toriko tanks a moon level attack? :O

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Current Four Heavenly Kings Vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan

@Low: toriko is 8x earth how could he reach 9x? You still havrn't proven otherwise.

Anyway 9x earth cannot compare to 150 000 000 moons casual

You're becoming the new supernova7005 o.O

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Joa, 4 Heavenly Kings, Acacia 3 Disciples Vs Gotenks, Goku, Gohan

@Low: What i was saying is clear, the bigger the power level the bigger your technique multiplies it.

1,500,000 moons cannot bust the sun? Orly.

The rest of what i said is too clear, AoE doesn't matter.

Now show me toriko tanking atleast somethimg that busted a moon, not some statements or powerscale

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11
Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Joa, 4 Heavenly Kings, Acacia 3 Disciples Vs Gotenks, Goku, Gohan

@Jinbeifan1:

However, it was ESTIMATED, there's no real calculation, if he wants to debate against me saying that is IS 35x the size of earth, then he can call me to the naruto forums lol, not here.

Why AoE doesn't matter in DBZ, Roshi busted the moon at 139, let's say that was an outlier, Piccolo busted the moon at 400, therefore Piccolo's attack at 400 is moon level, however, Chiaotzu's self destruct at the PL of 1,200 was only mountain level in terms of AoE, unless you're saying that Chiaotzu's self destruct at 1,200 is much much weaker than Piccolo's near casual attack at 400 ( Which is dumb ) then the explanation is Chiaotzu's self destruct has better potency than Piccolo's ordinary moon busting attack, therefore a moon busting attack won't hurt Nappa, but Frieza's beam which as much only destroyed a rock ( The one that killed Vegeta ) will pwn Nappa, AoE Doesn't matter unless it was shown by a weaker character, then we can Power Scale it to the stronger character to know how much he can really/ how much his potency really is.

However, it is the only source of calculation we can really use because of the logic above.

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Current Four Heavenly Kings Vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan

Why AoE doesn't matter in DBZ, Roshi busted the moon at 139, let's say that was an outlier, Piccolo busted the moon at 400, therefore Piccolo's attack at 400 is moon level, however, Chiaotzu's self destruct at the PL of 1,200 was only mountain level in terms of AoE, unless you're saying that Chiaotzu's self destruct at 1,200 is much much weaker than Piccolo's near casual attack at 400 ( Which is dumb ) then the explanation is Chiaotzu's self destruct has better potency than Piccolo's ordinary moon busting attack, therefore a moon busting attack won't hurt Nappa, but Frieza's beam which as much only destroyed a rock ( The one that killed Vegeta ) will pwn Nappa, AoE Doesn't matter unless it was shown by a weaker character, then we can Power Scale it to the stronger character to know how much he can really/ how much his potency really is.

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Atlast Flame Natsu vs. Second Gear Luffy

@Oni_Gajeel said:

@GeneralVan: Don't be ridiculous. He is called The One Above All for a reason.

I give it to Natsu, Luffy can't absorb the fire damage, like he can just regular old punches

TOAA and OAA is different fyi

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Current Four Heavenly Kings Vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan

Okay we'll go with your logic.

Let's say piccolo at 400 busted the moon with a casual attack.

Gohan SSJ2 is atleast at 600,000,000

600,000,000 / 400 = 1,500,000

1,500,000 moons casual attack, my statement still stands, i don't see team 1 tanking a multi planet attack casual.

However, this logic has flaws, the stronger you are the bigger the technique multiplies your powerlevel ( Piccolo from 400 to 1,200 with special beam canon ), Cell's Solar Kamehameha is also a better technique than the ordinary Kamehameha, therefore it multiplies much larger, thus it's not an exaggerate statement saying he can destroy the solar system with a full powered attack ( This can also mean he could destroy the sun, to destroy the solar system altogether ).

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Joa, 4 Heavenly Kings, Acacia 3 Disciples Vs Gotenks, Goku, Gohan

@Low said:

@Jinbeifan1 said:

@Low: You're mistaken, Human World in Toriko is only 30 % of the planet, the rest is Gourmet world, which all together is 10 times bigger than earth

No. Toriko Earth is at leasr 35x the planet of Earth.

Toriko Earth
Toriko Earth

Human world itself is 9-10 times Earth roughly.

Now can you prove this statement? I'm DYING to know how you think how big the Toriko Earth is.

As far as i've heard it's only at the size of saturn (Including Gourmet World), and it's an ACCEPTED FACT here at AV for most people, unless you can prove it, that is.

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Joa, 4 Heavenly Kings, Acacia 3 Disciples Vs Gotenks, Goku, Gohan

Okay we'll go with your logic.

Let's say piccolo at 400 busted the moon with a casual attack.

Gohan SSJ2 is atleast at 600,000,000

600,000,000 / 400 = 1,500,000

1,500,000 moons casual attack, my statement still stands, i don't see team 1 tanking a multi planet attack casual.

However, this logic has flaws, the stronger you are the bigger the technique multiplies your powerlevel ( Piccolo from 400 to 1,200 with special beam canon ), Cell's Solar Kamehameha is also a better technique than the ordinary Kamehameha, therefore it multiplies much larger, thus it's not an exaggerate statement saying he can destroy the solar system with a full powered attack ( This can also mean he could destroy the sun, to destroy the solar system altogether ).

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Joa, 4 Heavenly Kings, Acacia 3 Disciples Vs Gotenks, Goku, Gohan

Lol, it's really up to you to believe statements or not, however, the statements are backed up by the powerlevel sensing feat ( Vegito did it with buu, saying that the blast had the power to destroy 10 earths, I'm sure you will ask me how he had trouble stopping it, it is because AoE doesn't really matter in DBZ, i explained it in a thread before, he was only shocked because gohan and the others are on the planet. )

Thus I saying that Vegeta can indeed bust the planet at 18,000 and Cell being able to bust the solar system.

However, for people without feats like Bills, only statements can be used in his stead, however, we know that it was stated by Whis, the one who knows him the most, there's also no reason for him to exaggerate or lie about it, therefore, the odds are the statement is true.

So if you keep following your almost gejafjkea logic of all statements being unbelievable, care to show me the 4 heavenly kings tanking atleast moon level attacks? Because Nappa was able to tank more, unless you're saying that Chiaotzu's self destruct at 1200 PL is weaker than Piccolo's moon busting at 400 PL, which is kind of crazy really.

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