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Terror in Resonance review is now up. Guess it's a waiting game now until Fall titles start up next week.
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Battles » Whos wins kimimaru vs madara?

Mutsuhitu, please read the Battle Forum Rules before the next time you get tempted to make a match in here.
 
http://www.animevice.com/forums/battles/33/battle-forum-rules-20-all-users-please-read-before-posting/345307/
 
Voting matches are not allowed in this forum, thus this thread will now be locked.

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Just Anime » Overrated animes

Hmmmm...

  • Attack on Titan
  • FMA: Brotherhood
  • Berserk film trilogy
  • Rebuild of Evangelion film series
  • Clannad After Story
  • Steins;Gate (do like it, but I'm baffled that folks on MAL and ANN are voting for it among their Top 10. It's far from that for me)
  • Code Geass (both seasons)
  • Gundam SEED
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Battles » ss4 Gogeta vs z with a (twist)

Folks, one character vs universe styles battles are banned in the Battle Forums.

Banned Battle Threads/ Characters

Due to specific types of characters and matches having potential to derail match discussion or potential to spark flame wars, they are banned from being posted and will be locked on sight. Here are the types of matches and characters not allowed to be posted in the Battle forum:

  • Superman Family vs DBZU characters at any level.
  • Battle threads involving any godlike or near-godlike being from any form of media. What I mean by this is characters that are fully omnipotent (all powerful), omniscient (all knowing) and omnipresent (existing in all planes of reality within their title) or are close to all of these levels with some form of limitation that prevents them from gaining perfect status in all three. Characters that fulfill only one or two of these requirements in perfect or near-perfect status like abstracts or high-level reality warpers don't technically fall under any form of godlike status and thus are not banned.
  • Battle threads featuring characters with toonforcing. If the character only makes use of toonforcing for a small number of abilities and feats, then only their feats with the ability are banned and shouldn't be factored in for a match.
  • A whole Universe vs one of more character threads.
  • Universe vs Universe threads
  • Fan-Fic Character battle threads (Ex: Made up fusion characters, and characters that have no legitimate feats in officially licensed Anime/Manga material.)
  • Vote Battle Threads.
  • Battle threads containing more than one match posted in the opening post.

So I'm gonna have to lock this up.

@Lemchi: I suggest you read up on the Battle Forum Rules before making any other threads in here.

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Battles » Son Goku vs Sonic the hedgehog

Indeed, this battle's been done before though it didn't specify which version of Sonic to judge.

From the consensus, Sonic would win if this is the Archie Comics version of his character while the video game version would lose.

Seeing as this has been done before, I will be locking this up.

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Battles » STRAWHATS vs FATHER & THE HOMUNCULUS

The Straw Hats are greatly faster than the Homunculi and could rather easily pick off all their lives due to greater attributes. Only major threat among the Homunculi is Father who could possibly win the match via nuking (could create nuclear fusion) since full power would mean that he gets access to Truth's power. Would agree to the Homunculi winning in most scenarios, but only due to Father milking Truth's power.

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Battles » spiderman vs tsunade

@SekiryuuteiDxD: Do you see Spiderman normally punching down mountains or speeding around the world in seconds like Flash or Gotenks can?

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Battles » spiderman vs tsunade

@SekiryuuteiDxD: Many debaters on this site are sensible enough to know the difference of what would be considered a legitimate feat from a comic book character and what is just a case of bad writing, taking the most consistent showings demonstrated by the mentioned characters. I'm not going to introduce rules that restrict or prohibit the use of comic book characters in matches unless I want to be held accountable for alienating parts of the Battle forum community that usually post matches involving comic book characters.

Let's go about this in a different direction. Marvel Comic official handbooks have Spider-Man's peak strength at 10-25 tons and his reflexes being fast as such where he can anticipate gunfire, putting him at supersonic speed at best for reactions. The mentioned laser evasion, physically damaging Class 100+ heroes like Hulk and Thor or beating a Herald-level threat like Firelord would be beyond what Spider-Man would be capable of doing according to those handbooks, yet writers are shown to ignorantly gloss over these details for either plot or wanting a battle to look good. Those moments are all bad writing and shouldn't really be seriously considered legitimate feats for Spidey.

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Battles » spiderman vs tsunade

@SekiryuuteiDxD: Not when different writers are at the helm of making a comic series with their own thoughts of how they think a character's abilities work or making an overpowered hero like Thor lose to a street-level character like Spider-Man because "lulz, we want a story regardless of logic." Comics have enough moments of inconsistency and bad writing that many debaters account for to properly judge the capabilities of said characters. Otherwise, what's the point of even debating a battle involving comic book characters when moments of bad writing lead to enough scrutiny over what their capabilities really are?

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Battles » spiderman vs tsunade

@battlestarr: Spider-Man was on the defensive in his battle with Hercules. While Herc isn't notable for his speed, he's considerably stronger than Spidey and was purposely holding back on him as any clean blow from the man would have easily killed Spider-Man.

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Battles » spiderman vs tsunade

@battlestarr: Whaaa...? Spidey's peak strength is at 10 tons and bulked up to 25 tons when he got his power upgrade during the events of The Other. I don't recall an instance of him lifting anything beyond those points.

As for Thor feeling overwhelmed by Spidey, it's bad writing from Marvel.

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Battles » spiderman vs tsunade

@Saladking: The Quicksilver panel with Spidey looks like it came from an older issue before he acquired his upgraded powers via Isotope E, meaning he was pushing sound speed at best during the time, which would be just within Spidey's reaction speed. So have to call bollocks on Quicksilver being massively hypersonic at this point.

Pietro's feat of running across half the Earth's diameter happened in 92 seconds, which looked like he wasn't serious with as he has a better feat where he ran from Tibet to Indonesia in a few seconds. Distance from Tibet to Indonesia is 4158 kilometers. Let's get some numbers for how those seconds would break down:

5 seconds = 831.6 km/s (about Mach 2424)

4 seconds = 1039.5 km/s (about Mach 3031)

3 seconds = 1386 km/s (about Mach 4041)

2 seconds = 2079 km/s (about Mach 6061)

And if we wanted to go with the most generous scenario...

1 second = 4158 km/s (about Mach 12122 and barely pushing 1% of the speed of light)

So at best, we'd be looking at massively hypersonic to sub-relativistic speeds with his upgraded powers.

As for the laser feat, let me pull up something from the OBD's wiki to question it (especially with how notorious comics can be with maintaining consistency and PIS):

The main relevance of lasers in the OBD is that they travel at the speed of light (or rather, slightly slower than the speed of light in an atmosphere, but the difference is negligible). Thus, any character capable of actually reacting to, dodging, or outrunning one can be said to have reactions or speed at a lightspeed or FTL level. However, attempting to claim "laser-timing" feats is not nearly as simple as it sounds, as there are many complications regarding lasers in fiction.

The word "laser", similar to the word "quantum", has been a sci-fi buzzword practically ever since lasers were invented. This means that it is often used incorrectly in fiction, to describe devices that bear no resemblance to real-world lasers, and often move much more slowly. An example are the blaster weapons from Star Wars. Therefore, something merely being called a laser does not mean we should assume it moves at lightspeed. In order to establish that a given fictional "laser" travels at lightspeed, the following considerations must be taken:

1. Is the speed ever stated? If it is stated to move at the speed of light, that is one piece of evidence in its favor. Of course, like any other statement, it must be evaluated based on reliability of the source and whether it matches visual evidence instead of just blindly accepted.

2. Does it behave like a real laser? Some guidelines for determining this:

a. If you can see the beam visually (without some kind of super sensing equipment or such), and it is not moving through a diffuse medium (examples: a cloud of dust or fog), then it is not a real laser, as real lasers are only visible at the emitter, the target, or if you are standing in between them.

b. If the laser is fired in discrete "bolts" or "pulses" instead of a continuous beam, it is not a real laser.

c. If the laser curves or changes direction (without hitting any reflective surfaces or there being another explanation for this), it is not a real laser.

d. If the setting in which the laser appears is more scientifically accurate or based on real - world physics, then a laser is more likely to be a real laser.

3. If the speed of the laser can be established or calculated to be lightspeed (as in, shown to travel the same amount of distance in a given amount of time that light would). Of course, if this can be determined, it kind of undermines the point of claiming something is fast merely because it dodged a laser, since you have concrete numbers.

Keep in mind that even if a laser is determined to travel at lightspeed, it is still possible to aimdodge it, so a scene of the beam heading towards something and someone moving before it hits are required.

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Off-Topic » What's Going Through you Mind Right Now?

@takashichea: War on Geminar takes place in the OVA continuity of the Tenchi franchise years after the events of the third OVA series. Watching prior titles in the franchise wouldn't be a necessity to see it for the most part, but there are passing mentions of elements to the series mythos from series lead Kenchi that may fly over your head if you aren't familiar enough with the series.

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General Discussion » Official Anime/ Manga Teams/ Organizations Voting Tourney Thread

Espada has 4 votes and Hellsing leads 3-1. Unless things are close with either of the matches by tomorrow, I'll be ending matches at that time.

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Battles » Orochimaru vs. PedoBear (Joke Battle)

Did someone call for Orochi Jackson?
Did someone call for Orochi Jackson?
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Off-Topic » What's Going Through you Mind Right Now?

Hoping to finish up Touch by this upcoming weekend.

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Battles » (DBZ) Broly vs Bojack

Broly. His strongest incarnation was overpowering a combined blast from 2 SSJ2s and an SSJ before PIS came into play. Bojack, meanwhile, is on par with Perfect Cell in power.

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Battles » Joke Battle: Umineko Witches vs Stone Cold Steve Austin

@CerusSerenade: He hunts deer. Would imagine deadly cats made by the witches wouldn't be any different.

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