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Running out of Love Hina stuff to edit for wiki articles, so guess I'm gonna halt things on it. Will be figuring out another series to do wiki work on to reach 100,000.
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Battles » Link (The Legend of Zelda) vs. Sephiroth (Final Fantasy)

Going with Sephiroth on this. Majora's reality warping is kind of small-scale and from what I understand, the moon falling by him required a good amount of prep and said moon is only about the size of a town when it strikes down Termina. So, it doesn't make Fierce Deity Link's feat of beating Majora too impressive compared to what feats have been demonstrated by Sephiroth physically and with materia.

@supernova7005: This, again? The lightning was cast through magic and not an actual ground-to-air bolt. By that logic, any character who evades some sort of lightning magic/ technique would have similar speeds despite feats showing them to be significantly slower than one would believe.

And last I calculated, a bolt is about Mach 284, not Mach 300.

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Battles » Marluxia vs Byakuya

If Marluxia casts his Doom-like spell on Byakuya, it's just a simple matter of inflicting enough harm on Byakuya until he's offed.

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Battles » Current Zebra Vs Organization XIII

Since when are members of the Organization massively hypersonic?

Yes, some of the members of the group are hax as hell. But I don't recall them being that ridiculously fast.

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Just Anime » Ani-Crap Poll #24

Bump this up. One and a half weeks left to go for voting. Currently have a three-way tie involving the Sonic movie, Sword for Truth and Puni Puni Poemi.

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Battles » Who Can Beat The Current Four Heavenly Kings? Non Planet busters

Hmmmm. How about....

Kazuma in Proud Fist
Kazuma in Proud Fist
Ryuhou in Zetsuei's Third Stage
Ryuhou in Zetsuei's Third Stage
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Battles » Espada vs Organization XIII

Organization XIII
Organization XIII
Espada
Espada

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Battles » Espada vs Organization XIII

Have a feeling this might be a bad idea to try out. But considering Organization XIII could make paste out of Akatsuki from the thread I made a while back, screw it. Here are battle conditions:

Battle Area: Keyblade Graveyatd

Distance Apart: 15 yards

Conditions: All members of both sides are involved and in character, yet are willing to kill.

Taking this in account, which faction do you think can prevail in this match?

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Battles » Sensui vs Yamamoto

Sensui kills off Yamamoto quicker than any chance the old man has to go shikai or bankai.

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Devil Fruit » Can Amatseru Kill Logia Users? (Naruto vs OnePiece)

Hmm, all that is known about Amaterasu is that it produces flames hotter than regular fire jutsu and it can't be extinguished unless you're an MS/ EMS user. It could likely harm Aokiji, but not so sure about the others due to the differing elements/ properties they have with their Logia.

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General Discussion » Anime character who can destroy a planet with ease

Let's see:

  • Z, Tenchi, the Ds and the Choushin (Tenchi Muyo)
  • Lord of Nightmares and The Four Demon Lords (Slayers)
  • Unicron and Primus (Transformers)
  • Haruhi Suzumiya and Yuki Nagato (Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)
  • Noein and Haruka Kaminogi (Noein)
  • Anti-Spiral, TTGL, Super TTGL and Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann (Gurren Lagann)
  • Ideon (Space Runaway Ideon)
  • Nono, Gunbuster and the Gravity Well (Gunbuster/ Diebuster)

Outside of those and many DBZ characters, about all I can think up for right now.

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Battles » Haruka Kaminogi vs Lain

Haruka rather easily. Compared to Lain, Haruka's abilities to control reality are on a greater scale as the Dragon Torque allows her to manipulate and wipe out as many universes as she pleases.

As for your thoughts, Lain's become somewhat of a classic to anime fans for its mind-fuckery while Noein isn't really brought up much in many places I go online.

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Battles » Alucard vs Cain Nightroad

Schrodinger or not, Cain's not quite in Alucard's league in terms of abilities, speed and durability.

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Battles » Dangai Ichigo runs the DB gauntlet.

@GIRUGAMESH: With what has been demonstrated by the Juubi and Naruto's highest tiers, I don't think it's too farfetched to say they can compete with 23rd Budokai level DB characters. Still would be screwed royally against them at DBZ/ DBGT.

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Just Anime » Ani-Crap Poll #24

Previous Reviews:

Now for the next poll:

  1. Queen's Blade
  2. Sword for Truth
  3. Kodomo no Jikan
  4. Sonic the Hedgehog Movie
  5. Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kira
  6. Colorful OVA
  7. Zettai Boei Leviathan
  8. Puni Puni Poemi
  9. Sparrow's Hotel
  10. Bounty Dog

Some of you will notice that a couple of the titles I have listed on the new poll are part of the current Spring 2013 lineup. Those ones are set to end next week having one season runs, so I'll be able to watch them in their entirety at this poll's deadline in two weeks. In other words, July 6 will be the deadline for voting to be decided on what dud you want me to watch and review. Otherwise, have fun and vote for what you'd like for me to rip apart.

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Just Anime » Ani-Crap Poll #23

Don't see any new votes since I last posted here. So guess I'll end voting early and get going with Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer for my next Ani-Crap Review. After several polls, Sonata will finally get his wish granted. XD

Stay tuned!

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Battles » Dangai Ichigo runs the DB gauntlet.

@supernova7005:

The triple digit calc for Hashirama was only his reaction, not actual movement speed. However, the calc is still not put up on his profile, meaning its not yet 100% accepted.

Check the Juubi's wiki profile. Whoever made or edited it have the stronger forms being at massively hypersonic for the speed of its ranged attacks, which I'm assuming is based off the mentioned triple-digit Mach speed calc.

The calcs you posted assume that the destruction as caused by the sheer speed of their swings.

Not to mention, striking force comes from the speed of the strike.

Striking force isn't entirely speed-based. It also comes off the physical exertion of what one puts into an attack with raw strength. Movement speed only amplifies the amount of mass exerted through the attack if great enough.

However, a different series has nothing to do with Bleach.

Actually, it does considering both titles apply similar mechanics in how characters demonstrate their destructive power with striking.

Gin was speaking to himself at that time. Why would he lie to himself lol? He clearly states that All of Aizen's abilities are much better than the others and the espada followed him because he was this strong.

Only through individual efforts to dispatch Aizen, not a combined effort. Are you gonna tell me next that Aizen can solo all of Soul Society?

Aizen is a lot stronger than senior captains like Shunsui, who are on par with the top espada. Infact so much, that he defeated him with a single slash.

Aizen's hogyoku transformations were a huge leap.

Base Aizen was bested by Isshin. After just one transformation, he beats 3 people of Isshin's level easily, all at the same time!! Then he further transforms 3 times after that

This was only several characters going in on him, not much of the lot. And I don't consider the Hougyoku transformations a huge leap because compared to DBZ producing friggin planet-busters by the end of Saiyan saga when high-tiers were busting islands in the 23rd Budokai, Aizen and Dangai Ichigo have only been shown busting city-sized scale attacks.

You honestly believe Ichigo's just hill level?

With his casual attacks, yes. Beyond this and Mugetsu, he doesn't have much else to show for feats in destructive capacity and from what has been shown during his battle with Aizen, he's not at mountain-busting level. Your hopes of having mountain-busting and MHS Bleach characters are nothing but a dream right now.

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Battles » Feared Groups Akatsuki vs. Espada

Espada prevail here. Some of the Akatsuki members (mainly Rinnegan/ Sharingan users) might be able to hold up against the weaker of the Espada. But the numbers of Espada would be too much for the mentioned members once Akatsuki's numbers begin to drop.

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Battles » Dangai Ichigo runs the DB gauntlet.

@supernova7005:

You should respect others opinion, whether you agree with them or not.

Not if they're spouting nonsense or clearly trolling.

Those calcs are outdated and no longer used. The updated profiles have season 1 Ichigo at mach 23+ and its there on the profile only because its accepted.

And being a wiki, it's possible for someone to have differing opinions on the calculations based on whatever variables get accounted for or change them at their convenience if they are granted permission to edit them on the site. It's why calcs shouldn't always be relied upon to prove a point, especially if you are getting something like triple-digit Mach speed Naruto characters believed to be legit.

KE = 1/2 m v^2. If we take the weight of Ichigo's sword to be 5 kg, then the sword being swung at mach 10 produces energy worth only 28 kg of TNT. That's nowhere near good enough to destroy a 100m high hill or create such a large crater in the ground.

Ever consider that the destruction of the plateau came either as a result of the raw strength bared down by the striking force of Ichigo's swing or whatever output of power he was at when battling Aizen instead of speed? For instance, the Incredible Hulk's not known as a speedster yet he's capable of leveling plenty of buildings from the massive shockwaves emitted when he thunderclaps with his powerful strength.

Just no. If the mach 23+ calc is correct, then its highly likely that the top tiers are MHS.

And again, this is only because you believe it to be correct and consider it correct because it meets up to your "expectations".

This character statement is backed up. Aizen was not cocky when he said his power is greater than the espada's combined power. He considered Yama to be stronger than him.

So you're gonna take the word of the smug snake who was increasingly developing a power complex when the Hougyoku fused with his body? Sure, whatever you say.

Furthermore, this statement is once again backed up by Gin.

Who's been known to be a constant liar throughout much of the series.

More proof - Aizen easily defeated the Gotei 13 members including various senior captains, who had defeated/fought on par with the Espada.

The Gotei 13 never bothered to consider launching a simultaneous attack against him considering they would be owned individually. There's not too large of a power difference between Aizen and members of the Gotei 13, so it wouldn't be too farfetched to believe Aizen could be dispatched through the group's combined efforts instead of attacks in either pairs or individually.

Except that Dangai Ichigo > Transcended Aizen >>> Base Aizen > Combined Espada >> Kid Goku.

Unless you're trying to say the Esoada can beat Transcended Aizen or Dangai Ichigo.

Read my argument above. Power leaps in Bleach aren't as ridiculous as anything like say, DBZ. So it wouldn't be too farfetched to believe a combined group effort could dispatch the more stronger individual.

He can, depending on the size of the mountain range.

When he's only been shown to wipe out much of a plateau? I highly doubt that.

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Battles » Dangai Ichigo runs the DB gauntlet.

@supernova7005:

I'd be glad if we can have a debate respectfully without you using these kind of insuts and accusing others of being wankers.

Well if we learned not to hype up Bleach and YYH to be stronger than they really are or rely on hyperbole character statements to try proving a point, then I wouldn't be labeling you.

Even season 1 bankai Ichigo is calced to be Mach 23+ http://www.obdwiki.com/character-profile-kurosaki-ichigo/ And several espadas lolblitzed him, even in their base forms.

Okay, then explain these calcs? If you bothered to check the comments, you'll notice that the bloggers of the linked calcs are disputing the so-called "Mach 23+ speed" calc. It's not always a good idea to rely on calcs to try proving a point.

Top tiers would be possibly MHS by powerscaling.

Only within your inner world.

Aizen in his base form itself can beat all the espadas combined

Proof please, and don't pull character statements saying he does when it's not shown at all.

and you think KP/kid Goku can beat this guy but not the espadas?

Oh I don't know, maybe it has something to do with the numbers game involving characters with high destructive levels who could spam ranged attacks to overwhelm and kill Goku while they are all in flight? It's not like the Espada are fodder soldiers like members of the Red Ribbon Army that Goku could easily cream.

Ulquiorra's lanza is calced to be as strong as KP's demon wave, both at 15 MT

Another reason not to rely entirely on calcs: same list includes Aizen's Fragor from his final form being at 7.03 megatons, while he's stronger than Ulquiorra at this point and the blast having greater destructive potential than Lanza.

Dangai Ichigo's Getsuga >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lanza = city level, putting Ichigo way above the city busting level

Mugetsu is at large city-busting level with the Lanza at small city-busting destructive capacity. What are you gonna try telling me next, Ichigo can destroy an entire mountain range?

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Battles » Current Komastu(Toriko) vs ssj4 gogeta(Dbz)

Ummmm.. I've heard of Toriko recently getting significantly stronger in the manga. But I don't think they're up to competing with DBZ/ DBGT characters just yet.

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