Dream (Level 21)

Schedule this week: have the first three days of the week for work. Will have New Years Day and the day after off. May possibly have more time off this week as my workplace is under a shutdown and limited personnel are working for parts of this week.
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Post by Dream (8,324 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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Battles » Arceus vs Wing Zero and Epyon

@Masterofdeath: Regardless of any differing opinion I have on Arceus' capabilities, it would have been a better idea to just not bother posting anything related to the character for a while so any parties involved could cool off from the firestorm your other thread caused and led CerusSerenade to start this crap up.

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Battles » Arceus vs. Madara

@othus12: You and the mentioned two obviously brewed up the Arceus threads in reaction to Cerus creating spite threads with DBZ characters, hence the potential for this to generate into a flame war if this thing is prolonged.

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Battles » Arceus vs. Madara

@othus12: I seen her spite threads as well. If she was causing issues, you could have reported the issue to Sonata or other mods instead of you and the other two mentioned users following suit to attempt generating a flame war.

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Battles » Arceus vs. Madara

@Blindside: It looks like a few Vice members (eddz, othus and Masterofdeath) are making Arceus battle threads to try ticking off CerusSerenade and other supporters of the character in light of a recent battle thread that got quite heated when Arceus and two other related Pokemon were up against a few DBZ characters.

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Battles » Final Form Cooler vs Android 19

As long as Cooler doesn't rely on ki blasts in dispatching Android 19, he should be able to easily dispatch the android considering Goku as an SSJ was pummeling him rather easily before firing off a ki attack at him. Otherwise depending on how powerful the ki attack Cooler fires, it could give 19 sufficient enough strength to become a problem for Cooler in battle.

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Battles » Arceus vs Wing Zero and Epyon

@othus12: @Masterofdeath: If both of you hate the OBD's opinion on Arceus so much, then posting something like this makes you no different from the members on the site who would rip apart fictions that they hate.

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Battles » Arceus vs Wing Zero and Epyon

@Masterofdeath: @othus12: You two are seriously gonna beat the dead horse? How mature of you. -_-*

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Battles » HST Level Tournament Round 6 - GeneralVan VS Dream

@GeneralVan: I'm not sure what effect a KO would have on Ciel while her Mystic Eyes are active since Tsukihime never goes into detail on it.

As for Rider, the effects of her eyes will be permanent on those with little to no aptitude for magic meaning Luffy and Goku would stay petrified, even if Rider were killed. Those of supernatural status or having a high enough level of magic will be at full strength again a short time after Rider is incapacitated or killed.

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Battles » Aizen vs Three Admirals

Whether individually or as a team, the admirals would be too much for Aizen to handle here, especially with the Logia intangibility that the Captains' Devil Fruits give them and their Haki.

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Battles » HST Level Tournament Round 6 - GeneralVan VS Dream

Have you got a counter to the Mystic Eyes of Ciel and Rider for other members of your team?

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Dragon Ball » What does the symbol on Goku's back say in English?

@Surkit: The first symbol during Dragonball is "kame" for turtle, showing he was a student of Master Roshi.

When Goku started training for the battles on Namek, his gi now had the kanji for "go" which means wisdom or awaken.

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Battles » Goku vs Future Trunks (Read OP)

Figured I'd try something interesting with this. Both Goku and Future Trunks are at the stats they were at following the deaths of King Cold and Cyborg Frieza, meaning both can go SSJ here.

Both are in character for this battle and can win the match via KO or death. Battle takes place at a large mountain range.

Who would win this match?

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Battles » HST Level Tournament Round 6 - GeneralVan VS Dream

@SMXLR8: Was waiting on GeneralVan to respond.

@GeneralVan: For me, it has more to do with making use of team abilities and battle terrain instead of relying completely on brute force. Ciel's pretty much my major asset in this match thanks to her hax, on top of the island setting being a big problem for Luffy and having more hypersonic fighters on my team (six for me, four for you). If Shana had more speed on her, then I could picture this battle being more problematic for me thanks to her fuzetsu. Otherwise, most of my team could pick her off before she has a chance to set it off.

If you want to continue debating, I have no problem doing so. Otherwise, I think SMXLR8 is expecting both of us to make some sort of decision together on who we think would win this match.

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Battles » Sensui vs 23rd BT Goku and Piccolo

@GrayWolf2: My arguments had more to do with the comments that you and eddz were making to claim that characters were FTL or massively hypersonic as early as Dragonball despite such logic not making much sense when looking at other feats and considering the nice number of inconsistencies that DBZ is known for.

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Battles » Sensui vs 23rd BT Goku and Piccolo

@eddz99: Looks like this is gonna go nowhere considering you'll keep dancing around any arguments I make to counter your logic.

Read my logic below, again:

Also as argued before by me, just because a beam or flash of light goes off from a DB/ DBZ character's attack doesn't necessarily mean its light speed or as ridiculously fast as you think.

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Battles » Archetype earth vs Arceus

Arceus rather easily.

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Battles » Sensui vs 23rd BT Goku and Piccolo

@eddz99: And at what point in the series was this supposedly exclaimed, since I believe it to be an attack generated by the user?

Even the DB Wiki, which you were boasting about last night, makes no mention of the attack coming from the sun (details below come from wiki as of the time I read it, in case someone edits the article):

The Solar Flare is performed by the user placing their hands close to the center of their face with the fingers spread toward their eyes. The user then calls out the name of the technique, which provokes a white light to fire out and blind everything watching except the user, since they are projecting the light. This technique is defensive rather than offensive, and is mainly used as way to gain the upper hand, or in order to make hasty retreat, or to set up for a more complicated attack without fear of interruption.

Despite the simplicity of the attack and its "old" nature, the technique is still deemed extremely effective against some of the most powerful foes ever encountered by the Z Fighters because of it nature. Due to it being simply a flash of light, it works regardless of any gap in power between the user and the target. This technique is rendered useless if the opponent is wearing sunglasses, as evident in the 22nd World Martial Arts Tournament when Tien Shinhan uses the technique against Jackie Chun, affecting him while Master Shen and the World Tournament Announcer are unaffected by the flash. In the finals of the same tournament, Goku borrows Master Roshi's sunglasses to prevent Tien's Solar Flare and he is even capable of hitting Tien during the execution of the technique. This is also proven in the 23rd tournement when Goku uses the technique during his fight with Tien, which effects everyone but Master Roshi and the announcer.

The technique is used by Tien Shinhan during the 22nd World Martial Arts Tournament (the Solar Flare is one of Tien's signature moves) and later on by Goku, Krillin, and Cell. Also during the 22nd World Martial Arts Tournament, Krillin uses a personalized version called Taiyōken Hansha in his match against Goku. During the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament, Goku uses the Solar Flare on Tien Shinhan himself, who is using the Multi-Form technique. Goku uses it again during his fight with Vegeta in the latter's Great Ape form, so Goku could have extra time to prepare his Spirit Bomb. During the battles on Namek, Krillin used the Solar Flare to blind Dodoria who is chasing him, after he and Gohan rescued Dende. Krillin performs this a little differently when he uses it on Dodoria. However, it still produced the desired result. Krillin later uses it again against Second Form Frieza.

After the Frieza Saga, it is used several times by Cell to escape the Z Fighters and helps him in his mission to absorb Android 17 and Android 18. Krillin uses it on Cell in an attempt to slow him down in order for an airplane containing two survivors of Cell's attack at a town to escape, although Cell manages to catch up to Krillin upon liftoff and subsequently plow him through the plane, almost absorbing him had it not been for the Z Fighters arriving at the general vicinity.

Master Roshi uses the Solar Flare in Dragon Ball Z: Atsumare! Goku Warudo. In the Great Saiyaman Saga, it is used by Goku when he fights Arqua in the Other World Tournament. In the Baby Saga of Dragon Ball GT, Super Saiyan 4 Goku uses the Solar Flare to temporarily blind Golden Great Ape Baby so he could gather energy from Gohan, Trunks and Goten. The solar flare normally does not do any damage, but Nuova Shenron has a special lens that can amplify sunlight to lethal levels. When Goku shot a Solar Flare through this lens, it did a considerable amount of damage to Nuova. Later in the Shadow Dragon Saga, Goku uses the Solar Flare on Omega Shenron, but it did not even phase Omega. It is the only time where the Solar Flare failed to halt an enemy.

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Battles » Sensui vs 23rd BT Goku and Piccolo

how fast Goku is not his combat reflexes which are much faster than this.

So Mach 120, which is the best speed Goku could get during Saiyan saga and in short bursts for combat speed due to the strain of Kaio-ken on his body, makes him light speed now? Sure, whatever you say. -_-*

allowed him to catch the 4-star ball which is massively hypersonic planetside.

Proof, please?

pointed out dodged Tenshinhans Solar Flare which is either lightspeed or another uber massively hypersonic attack.

Or from my perspective: Goku had reacted quickly enough before Tien went off with the attack, not to the flash. Also as argued before by me, just because a beam or flash of light goes off from a DB/ DBZ character's attack doesn't necessarily mean its light speed or as ridiculously fast as you think.

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Battles » Arceus vs. Living Tribunal

Spite thread, much?

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Battles » Sensui vs 23rd BT Goku and Piccolo

@eddz99: Remember how long it took Goku to fly from King Kai's planet to Enma's check out station on Snake Way? It took him hours to do so and the calc for it was rounded off to be at about Mach 30 travel speed on OBD. Even accounting for boosts in stats when he uses Kaio-ken, he's only at Mach 120 at his best speed during Saiyan saga with Goku being significantly stronger than Raditz by that point.

If Raditz is supposedly close to FTL as you think because of dodging Piccolo's Beam Cannon yet it takes hours for Goku to reach the end of Snake Way when he's stronger than Raditz after King Kai's training, why else would you think I would call bullshit on the Beam Cannon's speed when it busted the moon up?

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